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So Stiverne took a lot of big shots from Wilder today, and though he was shaken a couple of times he never ended up going down.

Do you think Wilder's power has been overrated because of the low quality opposition he has faced, or is Stiverne's chin just that good?

klitoris wrote:So Stiverne took a lot of big shots from Wilder today, and though he was shaken a couple of times he never ended up going down.

Do you think Wilder's power has been overrated because of the low quality opposition he has faced, or is Stiverne's chin just that good?

A little of both. Stiverne has a much better than average chin. Wilder has much better than average power.

I think his opposition flattered his power, but I still consider him an impressive puncher.

I think he is a major puncher but if u fight at top level ur gonna go the distance some times.

klitoris wrote:So Stiverne took a lot of big shots from Wilder today, and though he was shaken a couple of times he never ended up going down.

Do you think Wilder's power has been overrated because of the low quality opposition he has faced, or is Stiverne's chin just that good?

I think it's low quality opposition that has made Wilder look good. Wilder hits hard no doubt, but it's not this devastating power that no one can stand up to.

crusader wrote:I think his opposition flattered his power, but I still consider him an impressive puncher.

Agreed, he can punch alright.

There is no-one in history that can knock out everybody.

haters.....

wilder got great power

but stiverne got an solid defense and an even better chin and neck. very strong guy, hard to ko him.

Chepppaaa wrote:haters.....

wilder got great power

but stiverne got an solid defense and an even better chin and neck. very strong guy, hard to ko him.

How is any post in this thread reflective of hating?

hurricanemitch14 wrote:I think he is a major puncher but if u fight at top level ur gonna go the distance some times.

He's now gone the distance in 100% of his fights against anyone even reasonably close to top level though...but I see what you're saying. He's got power, just not as much as his early record would indicate.

His power is overrated

Only time I've ever seen him live was against marlin Hayes

I guy who's tsken many years off and fought at middleweight before

Wilder never hurt him either and in fact frustrated wilder throughout their bout

Once Hayes seemed a little hurt. Ref decided it was enough for a stoppage. Very sloppy performance for wilder


That being said

Thought he looked good tonight. he's matured and grown over the years.

He has good power, not all-time power like a Foreman or anything, but the kind of power that buzzes the top chins and knocks out average chins or worse.

Wilder won a unanimous decision (118-109, 119-108, 120-107) against the WBC Heavyweight Champion.

Winning is what counts, not being able to KO a man who outweighs you. Did you bet on Stiverne?

crusader wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:haters.....

wilder got great power

but stiverne got an solid defense and an even better chin and neck. very strong guy, hard to ko him.

How is any post in this thread reflective of hating?

you want an honest answer.....i posted before reading everything so my bad

i think it came down more to skill. wilder was getting the 1-2 between stivern's high guard
and landing some wide shots, but when he hurt stivern he wasn't able to land a really big
ko punch. the fact that wilder hurt stiverne with the punches he landed says more than enough
about his power and when he becomes a more accurate puncher he will will stop the top guys.
he still looks like a work in progress with a lot of potential. just like his trainer brealand, though,
his hands are way too low and he is open for counters. stiverne used the right style and when
he was aggressive he was effective, but he just wasn't able to close the distance enough against
a much taller rangier guy who can move.

Brute wrote:Wilder won a unanimous decision (118-109, 119-108, 120-107) against the WBC Heavyweight Champion.

Winning is what counts, not being able to KO a man who outweighs you. Did you bet on Stiverne?

This is a thread about his power. Are you really so simple minded that you don't think anything but results should be discussed?

I think Wilder's power was exposed when he couldn't KO Charlie Zelenoff.

I watched Wilder flatten Malik Scott with the first power punches he threw in what was also supposed to be a big test for him. A lot of the media cried "fake" and I did wonder, but after this one I'm not doubting Wilder's power is for real. He had Stiverne down at the end of round two, though it wasn't counted as a knockdown because the bell rang and Stiverne grabbed hold of Wilder to drag him down with him, distracting the ref, but if there had been another 30 seconds left in that round we might have had a very different result and we would all be saying "well he still hasn't been tested".

I think it's done Wilder the power of good to go 12 rounds. He certainly needs that experience if he's thinking of going on to challenge Klitschko, but I'm not doubting his punch power is genuine and extraordinary.

klitoris wrote:So Stiverne took a lot of big shots from Wilder today, and though he was shaken a couple of times he never ended up going down.

Do you think Wilder's power has been overrated because of the low quality opposition he has faced, or is Stiverne's chin just that good?

His chin is that good. He took some thundering shots and stayed standing. I was impressed.

fergusg wrote:With the benefit of hindsight, I don't think we should read too much into Deontay's fight against Bermane, because Stiverne didn't throw that many punches, the shots he did throw were usually out of range (which meant that the durability of Wilder's whiskers weren't tested as aggressively as they should have been), the Canadian didn't try to be elusive and Bermane didn't alter his gameplan to adapt to the challenge posed before him.

That being said, even though Deontay is very athletic, carries a fairly decent dig and has a good engine... he's definitely not a worthy recipient of so much hype and I believe that there will be an awful lot of heavyweight contenders that will be supremely confident of being capable of taking his WBC alphabet crown!

What many seem to not point out, is that that Wilder's actions had a lot to do with Stiverne not being able to do what he had planned. He was constantly eating stiff jabs and big right hands. Its hard to carry out a game plan when you are getting tagged like he was.

Put him up against Fury next, and we will know more. The Wilder bandwagon won't be jumped on by all just yet, and rightfully so, but do think he deserves credit by answering several of the question marks that many had about him. Not totally proven yet, but not all hype either.

I think Wilder's power is entirely legit. I think what helped Stiverne in this contest was that he saw virtually every right hand coming. That's all Wilder threw and the majority of hard shots were at least partially slowed by the high guard. Stiverne was rocked by the shots he didn't see, either because they were blinded by the jab or because they occurred in an exchange as a counter to Stiverne's own punches. Wilder doesn't have a great repertoire of punches and was afraid enough of Stiverne that he only really opened up and started throwing combinations a couple times in the fight, usually late in rounds with Stiverne hurt.

Lennox Lewis couldn't stop, drop or even hurt glass-jawed bum Levi Billups in 10 rounds. The same Billups who was KO'ed 10 times in his career, most of the times early (including 3 first-round KO's). Lennox also couldn't stop, drop or hurt old cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio, who was demolished by Dokes and Holmes. Yet, nobody questions Lennox's power and rightfuly do. So WHY question Wilder's power if he couldn't KO world champion, who has never been knocked down? And he hurt Stiverne multiple times.

Boxing Writer wrote:Lennox Lewis couldn't stop, drop or even hurt glass-jawed bum Levi Billups in 10 rounds. The same Billups who was KO'ed 10 times in his career, most of the times early (including 3 first-round KO's). Lennox also couldn't stop, drop or hurt old cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio, who was demolished by Dokes and Holmes. Yet, nobody questions Lennox's power and rightfuly do. So WHY question Wilder's power if he couldn't KO world champion, who has never been knocked down?

Maybe because Stiverne was also his first top ten opponent? I don't think it's unreasonable to think that his opposition flattered his power and that's still consistent with thinking he's a very good puncher.

crusader wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:Lennox Lewis couldn't stop, drop or even hurt glass-jawed bum Levi Billups in 10 rounds. The same Billups who was KO'ed 10 times in his career, most of the times early (including 3 first-round KO's). Lennox also couldn't stop, drop or hurt old cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio, who was demolished by Dokes and Holmes. Yet, nobody questions Lennox's power and rightfuly do. So WHY question Wilder's power if he couldn't KO world champion, who has never been knocked down?

Maybe because Stiverne was also his first top ten opponent? I don't think it's unreasonable to think that his opposition flattered his power and that still consistent with thinking he's a very good puncher.

The ref could easily have ruled that double leg takedown Stiverne did a knockdown, as he was obviously hurt and falling as a result of punches.

crusader wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:Lennox Lewis couldn't stop, drop or even hurt glass-jawed bum Levi Billups in 10 rounds. The same Billups who was KO'ed 10 times in his career, most of the times early (including 3 first-round KO's). Lennox also couldn't stop, drop or hurt old cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio, who was demolished by Dokes and Holmes. Yet, nobody questions Lennox's power and rightfuly do. So WHY question Wilder's power if he couldn't KO world champion, who has never been knocked down?

Maybe because Stiverne was also his first top ten opponent? I don't think it's unreasonable to think that his opposition flattered his power and that's still consistent with thinking he's a very good puncher.

The Boxrec Top 10 contains Antonio Tarver and Odlanier Solis. Fightnews' contains Glazkov and Andy Ruiz. How far of a step down from those guys is Malik Scott? You may find the knockout suspect, but you have to say as much to discount it.

crusader wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:Lennox Lewis couldn't stop, drop or even hurt glass-jawed bum Levi Billups in 10 rounds. The same Billups who was KO'ed 10 times in his career, most of the times early (including 3 first-round KO's). Lennox also couldn't stop, drop or hurt old cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio, who was demolished by Dokes and Holmes. Yet, nobody questions Lennox's power and rightfuly do. So WHY question Wilder's power if he couldn't KO world champion, who has never been knocked down?

Maybe because Stiverne was also his first top ten opponent? I don't think it's unreasonable to think that his opposition flattered his power and that's still consistent with thinking he's a very good puncher.

I think Wilder has proven his power against Liakhovich, who was never stopped in less than 9 rounds and fought proven punchers like Brewster, Briggs and Helenius. He also KO'ed Kelvin Price with a single punch. Even Mansour's punches didn't hurt Price as bad as Wilder's single right hand did. And Mansour can punch really hard.