BoxRec

Next to Wladimir Klitschko, who do you consider to be the best heavyweight at the present time?

I had a tough time deciding between Wilder and Fury and I went with Wilder. Wilder may have better defense but Fury bangs the body better. Pulled or Povetkin are depressing choices as they have been exposed against Wlad and in Povetkin's case, Huck exposed him.

the shows how people out here realy dont know boxing.

Tony1244 wrote:I had a tough time deciding between Wilder and Fury and I went with Wilder. Wilder may have better defense but Fury bangs the body better. Pulled or Povetkin are depressing choices as they have been exposed against Wlad and in Povetkin's case, Huck exposed him.

I could see Huck knocking out Fury . . .

I'd have to say Fury. Wilder has got some credibility now that he's a World Champion... But I highly doubt if he's the fighter that people think he is.

I could see Huck knocking out Fury . . .[/quote]>>>dempseyfire


If that's the case, then Fury would certainly be exposed. If you're right, Huck is fighting in the wrong division.

I'd go with povetkin ...can't believe that two people voted for AJ

stevedoc wrote:I'd go with povetkin ...can't believe that two people voted for AJ

I really can't believe Povetkin is winning this thing. Looks like wishful thinking.

it is tempting to put wilder ahead of povetkin,
but i guess that is wishful thinking. an old
veteran pro is still something that wilder will
find difficult to deal with. after all, stiverne's
only "credential" was the wbc belt and he got
that one delivered to his doorstep by the not
so great arreola.

i go with povetkin, but next in line for me is
already wilder and not fury. wilder-fury would
make for a wonderful spectacle IMO …

Tony1244 wrote:

stevedoc wrote:I'd go with povetkin ...can't believe that two people voted for AJ

I really can't believe Povetkin is winning this thing. Looks like wishful thinking.

Why? Povetkin has only lost to wlad has by far the best record and has looked the best fighter ,

stevedoc wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

stevedoc wrote:I'd go with povetkin ...can't believe that two people voted for AJ

I really can't believe Povetkin is winning this thing. Looks like wishful thinking.

Why? Povetkin has only lost to wlad has by far the best record and has looked the best fighter ,

Wlad beat Povetkin easier than he beat Wach. And Povetkin was losing after the first 8 rounds agaist Takam. Aside of great KO he didn't impress me at all in that fight.

Boxing Writer wrote:Wlad beat Povetkin easier than he beat Wach. And Povetkin was losing after the first 8 rounds agaist Takam. Aside of great KO he didn't impress me at all in that fight.

But let's not forget, Wlad had to use illegal tactics against Povetkin, while he fought fairly against the more limited Wach.

Wlad got away with a lot of holding against Povetkin. And he should have lost points for throwing Povetkin down several times, but instead they counted as knockdowns.

I really can't believe Povetkin is winning this thing. Looks like wishful thinking.[/quote]

Why? Povetkin has only lost to wlad has by far the best record and has looked the best fighter ,[/quote]


I'm not saying "I know" Fury or Wilder would beat Povetkin. I'll leave "knowing" to the self-proclaimed geniuses. But Povetkin did lose by quite a bit to Wlad. Povetkin had a close encounter with Huck. I'd rather see the undefeated guys get a shot. Povetkin hasn't beaten Chisora or Stiverne, or even Scott for that matter. His best recent win, and it was a very good win, was against Takam who drew with Perez and was beaten by Jennings.

Hmm tough one.

I'd say its between Jennings, Fury, Wilder and Povetkin. Perhaps they should start fighting each other and we would find out.

Tony1244 wrote:I really can't believe Povetkin is winning this thing. Looks like wishful thinking.

Why? Povetkin has only lost to wlad has by far the best record and has looked the best fighter ,[/quote]


I'm not saying "I know" Fury or Wilder would beat Povetkin. I'll leave "knowing" to the self-proclaimed geniuses. But Povetkin did lose by quite a bit to Wlad. Povetkin had a close encounter with Huck. I'd rather see the undefeated guys get a shot. Povetkin hasn't beaten Chisora or Stiverne, or even Scott for that matter. His best recent win, and it was a very good win, was against Takam who drew with Perez and was beaten by Jennings.[/quote]

That's the first time I've seen chisora used as measuring stick for greatness

Freedom2013 wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:Wlad beat Povetkin easier than he beat Wach. And Povetkin was losing after the first 8 rounds agaist Takam. Aside of great KO he didn't impress me at all in that fight.

But let's not forget, Wlad had to use illegal tactics against Povetkin, while he fought fairly against the more limited Wach.

Wlad got away with a lot of holding against Povetkin. And he should have lost points for throwing Povetkin down several times, but instead they counted as knockdowns.

But Povetkin was also legitimately knocked down by Wlad and hurt multiple times unlike Wach who never was hurt against Wlad. Also Wach hurt Wlad at the end of 5th round, which Povetkin never come close to, even when he occasionally landed.

As for illegal tactics, Povetkin himself used illegal tactics against Huck, constantly bending down low while under attack, leaving Huck nothing to hit but the back of his head. Yet referee Luis Pabon said nothing to Povetkin, while reprimanding Huck several times for illegal blows.

Tony1244 wrote:I really can't believe Povetkin is winning this thing. Looks like wishful thinking.

Is there any human being on this planet who wishes Povetkin win? He though undoubtedly has better record then anyone else right now by a long shot. So you should favor him objectively.

BTW I know that I can beat them all, but I suspect you wont take my word for it.

Pulev finally started to keep up with AJ, lol. When Wlad was seemingly avoiding him, many people shouted he was clearly the most deserved number one challenger. And now that he lost to Wlad, he seems to be forgotten when we talk top HWs. He actually beat 2 of the top 10 fellow contenders at the time (Thompson and Dimitrenko), while none of the listed cats has done so, except for Povetkin, who I consider to be the number one contender.

Povetkin didn't look good against Huck, but he improved physically since then, and mark my words, Wilder is tailor made for him - great chin (only dropped by Wlad in pros or ams) will prevent him from being koed, just like Stiverne managed to survive. But Povetkin, unlike that plodding counterpuncher, is aggressive combination puncher, who will be on his A-game hunting Wilder down and eventually getting to that average at best chin. Wlad just clinched his way out of that and Wilder didn't master that trick yet.

Ability to take punch may improve almost exclusively only with getting sicker neck, just like in Tua's case, who was ko'd in amateurs, while young and relatively thin. But that's not the case with Wilder, he doesn't seem to get his neck (or legs:)) any thicker since he was ko'd in ams and dropped in pro's. And Stiverne didn't tag him really well, not once, only one left hook barely got to the chin, while Deo was already leaning away, and that one had him hurt.

But Wilder's team probably realizes this and will be avoiding this match up by all costs. They first wanted featherfisted Jennings, who was picked by Wlad for easy voluntary defense, and then Fury, who has been dropped by featherfisted opponents. Team Wilder will also prefer fighting Wlad rather than Povetkin (2 reasons: more money and not the best chin equals fair puncher's chance).

Leonid wrote: Povetkin didn't look good against Huck, but he improved physically since then, and mark my words, Wilder is tailor made for him - great chin (only dropped by Wlad in pros or ams) will prevent him from being koed, just like Stiverne managed to survive. But Povetkin, unlike that plodding counterpuncher, is aggressive combination puncher, who will be on his A-game hunting Wilder down and eventually getting to that average at best chin. Wlad just clinched his way out of that and Wilder didn't master that trick yet.

I disagree completely. Povetkin always looked bad (and sometimes awful) against tall guys. In the amateurs he clearly lost to very limited Ukrainian fighter Mazikin in the world championship in Belfast (2001), who has "amazing" 14-11-2 (4 KO) pro record now. Also Povetkin went life and death against decent but limited Cuban Pedro Carrion, and was easily beaten by totally shot Alexei Lezin in 2003, both of whom are tall fighter. As for his chin, he was knocked down against Islam Timurziev and took a standing 8-count against feather-fisted Mazikin.

In the pros he looked awful against Wlad, and don't tell me it was only because of the clinches. Look, Pulev hit Wlad to the body and to the back of the head when he wanted to hold and small Eddie Chambers lifted him up few times when Wlad tried to hold him. Povetkin did nothing at all, NOTHING to make Wlad feel uncomfortable in the clinches. Also he didn't look good at all against tall jorneyman Nicolai Firtha, who was KO'ed by Wilder in 4 and TKO'ed in 5 by Fury.

Coldko wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

Leonid wrote: Povetkin didn't look good against Huck, but he improved physically since then, and mark my words, Wilder is tailor made for him - great chin (only dropped by Wlad in pros or ams) will prevent him from being koed, just like Stiverne managed to survive. But Povetkin, unlike that plodding counterpuncher, is aggressive combination puncher, who will be on his A-game hunting Wilder down and eventually getting to that average at best chin. Wlad just clinched his way out of that and Wilder didn't master that trick yet.

I disagree. Povetkin always looked bad (and sometimes awful) against tall guys. In the amateurs he clearly lost to very limited Ukrainian fighter Mazikin in the world championship in Belfast (2001), who has "amazing" 14-11-2 (4 KO) pro record now. Also Povetkin went life and death against decent but limited Cuban Pedro Carrion, and was easily beaten by totally shot Alexei Lezin in 2003, both of whom are tall fighter. As for his chin, he was knocked down against Islam Timurziev and took a standing 8-count against feather-fisted Mazikin.

hahaha ...I love when people brings up very long ago loses when they don't like certain boxers ...the same way people bring up wlad lose 11-14 years ago ....

I had to bring them, because the only good tall fighter whom Povetkin fought in the pros was Wlad. And that guy was talking about Wilder being tailor-made for him. He also said that Povetkin was never knocked down in amateurs or pros aside of Wlad's fight, which isn't true.

povetkin beat chambers before Vladimir did
he also beat up Chris byrd
he beat chagaev, ko'd takam and charr.
chambers, wawrxk were undefeated
takam and charr and boswell were virtually undefeated

and soon he will defeat Mike Perez (and shut up ellie seckbach)

cold187 wrote:povetkin beat chambers before Vladimir did
he also beat up Chris byrd
he beat chagaev, ko'd takam and charr.
chambers, wawrxk were undefeated
takam and charr and boswell were virtually undefeated

and soon he will defeat Mike Perez (and shut up ellie seckbach)

Chris Byrd was totally shot and was KO'ed by light-heavyweight jorneyman in his next fight. Chambers busted his face and looked better in the first half of fight outlanding Povetkin by a big margin in the first 8 rounds (174-136 according to CompuBox), Povetkin clearly won the last 4 rounds and deserved the win though. Good win. The same can be said about his wins over Chagaev and Takam. Povetkin beat 3 top-10 fighters in the tough fights, which of course is great achievement (I don't count his "win" over Huck as a win).

But please, don't bring here Charr and Wawrzyk. They aren't even top-30 fighters. Have you seen Wawrzyk fight agaist Bakhtov, where he was knocked down really hard and almost KO'ed in the first round and got a gift decision in the end? Have you seen Charr's fight against Bidenko? That's their real level.

Coldko wrote:Hahaha..... another nice joke
But when? Povetkin 2001-2003 ....sorry, we are in 2015 now

Did that guy said Povetkin was NEVER knocked down besides Wlad fight? Yes, he did. "Never" includes 2001 and 2003 as far as I'm concerned.

baron_otto wrote:I'd say its between Jennings, Fury, Wilder and Povetkin. Perhaps they should start fighting each other and we would find out.

Why isn't Shannon Briggs on the list?

Povetkin thrashed Char and Takam in his last two fights and looked impressive. Takam was top 10 fighter who beat Thompson and got a questionable draw with Perez. Takams record is better then Stivernes.