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some people out here mad fun of me, because they thought wilder - klitschko would not be ppv and not make good numbers.

wilder showed that he can attract people and while stiverne vs wilder was no ppv, i am pretty much sure that klitschko vs wilder would be the biggest heavyweight fight in the world and have easily around 1,3 buys and that is a lot.

wilder could realy singlehandily bring back the heavyweight division to life, a division which has gone to boredom and out of shape fat chubbys

Mcgregor drew three point one on a Sunday night. .

ufc is overtaking boxing

One day the bigwigs will realize people want to watch HEAVYWEIGHTS !

Kinda bittersweet news for Showtime. Grand opening, grand closing...since Deontay is likely to get bumped over to PBC now.

It should be interesting to see what Deontay does on National TV. I hope they match him like they seem to be matching these other guys & we don't get some Deontay vs Antonio Tarver bs.

Tony1244 wrote:One day the bigwigs will realize people want to watch HEAVYWEIGHTS !

Non-boring as sh!t heavyweights.

When people in the US wanna watch HW boxing they want some brutal KO's or the threat a brutal KO could happen at any moment. In lieu of an impending KO they wanna see some sh!t talking/drama. Some wrestling type sh!t basically like it or not. They wanna be invested in the fight basically & sh!t talking/drama is the easiest way to get people there (see Mayweather & Broner & the levels of hate they have achieved with this method). Wladimir is too "scientific" & too gentlemanly for a HW thus the US is probably never gonna give a sh!t about his fights til he's fighting Deontay or Tyson.

mcgregor wasnt ppv dipshit and i like his 170 thousand dollar purse....... if he feels like making money tell him to come to the dying sport of boxing.

both stiverne made around a mill each

verballistic wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:some people out here mad fun of me, because they thought wilder - klitschko would not be ppv and not make good numbers.

wilder showed that he can attract people and while stiverne vs wilder was no ppv, i am pretty much sure that klitschko vs wilder would be the biggest heavyweight fight in the world and have easily around 1,3 buys and that is a lot.

wilder could realy singlehandily bring back the heavyweight division to life, a division which has gone to boredom and out of shape fat chubbys

Good take. I'm trying to remember the last legit PPV fight with HWs. Seems like it's been about 10 years or so. Anybody remember what it was?

I sure as hell don't. I don't think many PPV's in any weight are worth paying for, but I would actually consider paying for Fury vs Wilder and the winner vs Wlad. The Fury vs Wilder pre-fight nonsense would be classic.

verballistic wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:some people out here mad fun of me, because they thought wilder - klitschko would not be ppv and not make good numbers.

wilder showed that he can attract people and while stiverne vs wilder was no ppv, i am pretty much sure that klitschko vs wilder would be the biggest heavyweight fight in the world and have easily around 1,3 buys and that is a lot.

wilder could realy singlehandily bring back the heavyweight division to life, a division which has gone to boredom and out of shape fat chubbys

Good take. I'm trying to remember the last legit PPV fight with HWs. Seems like it's been about 10 years or so. Anybody remember what it was?

was klitschko-lewis ppv, was tyson-etienne ppv? 2002-2003 i guess was the last ppv fight.

Americans getting overexcited by Wilder. There's not much out there but he'll likely get beaten soon.

Beating a fat, ordinary, dehydrated Stiverne on points is not the beginning of a new era

Chepppaaa wrote:

verballistic wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:some people out here mad fun of me, because they thought wilder - klitschko would not be ppv and not make good numbers.

wilder showed that he can attract people and while stiverne vs wilder was no ppv, i am pretty much sure that klitschko vs wilder would be the biggest heavyweight fight in the world and have easily around 1,3 buys and that is a lot.

wilder could realy singlehandily bring back the heavyweight division to life, a division which has gone to boredom and out of shape fat chubbys

Good take. I'm trying to remember the last legit PPV fight with HWs. Seems like it's been about 10 years or so. Anybody remember what it was?

was klitschko-lewis ppv, was tyson-etienne ppv? 2002-2003 i guess was the last ppv fight.

Neither was PPV.....I was at the Tyson fight that was Showtime and the Lewis figth was HBO.

reggaereggae wrote:Americans getting overexcited by Wilder. There's not much out there but he'll likely get beaten soon.

Beating a fat, ordinary, dehydrated Stiverne on points is not the beginning of a new era

It's not that he beat him, it's how he beat him.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:mcgregor wasnt ppv dipshit and i like his 170 thousand dollar purse....... if he feels like making money tell him to come to the dying sport of boxing.

both stiverne made around a mill each

Who said mcgregor was ppv horse box

reggaereggae wrote:Americans getting overexcited by Wilder. There's not much out there but he'll likely get beaten soon.

Beating a fat, ordinary, dehydrated Stiverne on points is not the beginning of a new era

Americans is a broad term for the level of over excitement you're talking about. Sh!t anyone with a record like Deontay is gonna get some sack biters wherever they live & from all over the world. KOing almost every mfer you fought tends to get people excited. I don't think Americans are THAT behind him. I'd guess British guys are more behind Tyson Fury then Americans are behind Deontay Wilder & I think Deontay has proven himself more than Tyson in this latest fight.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Americans getting overexcited by Wilder. There's not much out there but he'll likely get beaten soon.

Beating a fat, ordinary, dehydrated Stiverne on points is not the beginning of a new era

Americans is a broad term for the level of over excitement you're talking about. Sh!t anyone with a record like Deontay is gonna get some sack biters wherever they live & from all over the world. KOing almost every mfer you fought tends to get people excited. I don't think Americans are THAT behind him. I'd guess British guys are more behind Tyson Fury then Americans are behind Deontay Wilder & I think Deontay has proven himself more than Tyson in this latest fight.

True. Most Americans have no clue who he is, and most American boxing fans are saying "Well he's no Mike Tyson".

I don't see how Wilder is more proven than Fury based on the Stiverne fight given that Fury was even more dominant against Chisora, not coming close to losing a round and scoring a stoppage. You may say that Stiverne is significantly better, but I don't think there is much evidence of that. Chisora drubbed Kevin Johnson and in my knowledge is the only person to drop him, he was the first to stop Wilder's second best opponent Malik Scott, he throughly got the better of then top contender Helenius, he gave an elite HW in Vitali one of his toughest fights in years, and going into the Fury rematch he was on a string of wins over opponents like Gerber and Pala who would in my view clearly be the no worse than anyone Stiverne has beaten other than Austin and Arreola. Stiverne, on the other hand, pretty much just has a come from behind tenth round win over Ray Austin and the pair of wins over second tier Arreola, which I don't think is more impressive than Chisora's showing against Helenius. Ability-wise Chisora may not punch as hard as Stiverne, but I think he puts his punches together better, has faster feet, has a higher workrate and is much less prone to lackluster showings, which is why he doesn't have a loss and a draw against journeymen like Stiverne does.

mullenman wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:mcgregor wasnt ppv dipshit and i like his 170 thousand dollar purse....... if he feels like making money tell him to come to the dying sport of boxing.

both stiverne made around a mill each

Who said mcgregor was ppv horse box

McGregor was on regular tv........no ppv, no HBO/Showtime so naturally he will get bigger audience.

UFC will keep giving their biggest names big purses like 170 thou until all the fighter picket and refuse to fight then we'll see what the number will look like then.

If boxing promoters were able to hook the biggest names in boxing with a 170 thousand dollar purse, they would be able to put on an awesome card on free tv too.

Also whats a horse box???

crusader wrote:I don't see how Wilder is more proven than Fury based on the Stiverne fight given that Fury was even more dominant against Chisora, not coming close to losing a round and scoring a stoppage. You may say that Stiverne is significantly better, but I don't think there is much evidence of that. Chisora drubbed Kevin Johnson and in my knowledge is the only person to drop him, he was the first to stop Wilder's second best opponent Malik Scott, he throughly got the better of then top contender Helenius, he gave an elite HW in Vitali one of his toughest fights in years, and going into the Fury rematch he was on a string of wins over opponents like Gerber and Pala who would in my view clearly be the no worse than anyone Stiverne has beaten other than Austin and Arreola. Stiverne, on the other hand, pretty much just has a come from behind tenth round win over Ray Austin and the pair of wins over second tier Arreola, which I don't think is more impressive than Chisora's showing against Helenius. Ability-wise Chisora may not punch as hard as Stiverne, but I think he puts his punches together better, has faster feet, has a higher workrate and is much less prone to lackluster showings, which is why he doesn't have a loss and a draw against journeymen like Stiverne does.

I ain't trying to convince anyone Deontay proved more with his most recent win than Tyson has in any of his wins. I feel Bermane is the best guy either have beaten & I don't see that as a very controversial remark tbh. Overall Tyson has beaten more higher level guys, but best W goes to Deontay.

Absolutely correct, nothing "controversial" about saying Wilder's win over Stiverne was definitely a better win than anything Fury had over Chisora, Johnson or Cunningham!! I agree that Fury has the better OVERALL comp. Stiverne's "loss & draw vs journeymen" were long ago > 5-7+ years ago, so trying to pin a "lackluster showing" on him for fights that far back is clearly a bit of a stretch.

I think it's reasonable to believe that Wilder's victory over Stiverne was slightly more impressive (I wasn't the one who used the term 'controversial') but I favor Fury's win for some of the reasons I posted and along with his stronger resume outside those fights it makes him generally more proven to me. You say that Wilder's win was 'definitely better' but it's hard for me to take that seriously when you adduce no reasons for your assertion and instead cherry-pick a small and fairly minor aspect of my post while avoiding more substantive bits.

On the point you cherry-picked, although several of Stiverne's lackluster showing occurred fairly long ago he gave labored performances against Austin and by most accounts I've read against journeyman Willie Herring in his two bouts immediately prior to facing Arreola. This is something he's struggled with throughout his career and to a greater extent than Chisora has (no losses or draws against journeymen), and I believe it's relevant because it provides evidence that Fury's more through domination of Chisora wasn't largely due to the latter giving a poorer effort or being more off his game than Stiverne was.

I also don't believe that anyone claimed herein that either of Fury's wins over Johnson and Cunningham were at least as impressive as Wilder's win over Stiverne was. I think Stiverne is probably a level above Johnson while Cunningham significantly troubled Fury, so to me it's clear that Wilder beating Stiverne as he did trumps those showings. My main issue is that I've seen many people, including you, take it for granted that Wilder beating Stiverne was more impressive than Fury shutting out and stopping Chisora when I think it's very debatable.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

verballistic wrote:I'm trying to remember the last legit PPV fight with HWs. Seems like it's been about 10 years or so. Anybody remember what it was?

was klitschko-lewis ppv, was tyson-etienne ppv? 2002-2003 i guess was the last ppv fight.

Neither was PPV.....I was at the Tyson fight that was Showtime and the Lewis figth was HBO.

Vitali Klitschko vs. Danny Williams was PPV. I believe that was the last heavyweight PPV fight, and it was in 2004.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Americans getting overexcited by Wilder. There's not much out there but he'll likely get beaten soon.

Beating a fat, ordinary, dehydrated Stiverne on points is not the beginning of a new era

Americans is a broad term for the level of over excitement you're talking about. Sh!t anyone with a record like Deontay is gonna get some sack biters wherever they live & from all over the world. KOing almost every mfer you fought tends to get people excited. I don't think Americans are THAT behind him. I'd guess British guys are more behind Tyson Fury then Americans are behind Deontay Wilder & I think Deontay has proven himself more than Tyson in this latest fight.

Neither Wilder or Fury has a ghost of a chance vs Wlad. Doesn't matter! Wilder vs Fury would be a huge fight. I'd favor Wilder because he showed he could box for 12 rounds, even if he has stilts for legs and a shaky chin.

I find it funny that when mentioning wilder/fury they bring up Wilfred shaky chin when in fact fury has been dropped hard several times.....neither dude is made of granite but damn I know jealousy when I see it

Damn auto correct......Wilders shaky chin