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It probably means that he will keep fighting bums for a long time and will then get a relatively easy shot for a title. He will never fight Golovkin. I doubt that he will even fight likes of Lemieux or other good undefeated prospects like Murata or Chudinov.

In other news Al has installed one of those DMV grab a number machines at his office entrance to streamline the signing process.

Dammit. What is it about this guy, Al Haymon.....?

The dark side was stronger. :(

does anybody know why haymon is so powerful? i mean, he either is some billionere with a lot of power or he knows the right people, but how can it be that he gets one quality fighter after another.

or it is simply his reputation of making great money with floyd and new prospect want same kind of money.

He's a Dibella fighter so this was expected. Look for anyone signed to Dibella, Warriors or Goossen to sign with Haymon. Those are his house promoters.

sammy vasquez just signed too......damn!!!!!!

Everyone except the fighters who are signed to Haymon complain.
He must be doing something right

tiny_acres wrote:Everyone except the fighters who are signed to Haymon complain.
He must be doing something right

Exactly! The ones getting punched in the face for a living don't know what's good for them. They should listen to the ones sitting on the couch watching them get punched in the face for a living.

tiny_acres wrote:Everyone except the fighters who are signed to Haymon complain.
He must be doing something right

Yep exactly.

Sh!t I hope Al signs a mfer a day til the whole industry turns into a promoter by fight industry &/or long term contracts are a thing of the past. Sooner or later I gotta imagine other cats start becoming "advisors" too when they see the upside to what Al is doing for himself obviously, but also for the fighters.

I'd love to see a boxing landscape where promoters power goes down drastically. If a promoter only promoted a guy on a fight by fight basis the fights would be better & we never gotta worry about this cross-promoting bs drama we gotta be concerned about today.

The way boxing works is so awful right now. It could use a change.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:Everyone except the fighters who are signed to Haymon complain.
He must be doing something right

Yep exactly.

Sh!t I hope Al signs a mfer a day til the whole industry turns into a promoter by fight industry &/or long term contracts are a thing of the past. Sooner or later I gotta imagine other cats start becoming "advisors" too when they see the upside to what Al is doing for himself obviously, but also for the fighters.

I'd love to see a boxing landscape where promoters power goes down drastically. If a promoter only promoted a guy on a fight by fight basis the fights would be better & we never gotta worry about this cross-promoting bs drama we gotta be concerned about today.

The way boxing works is so awful right now. It could use a change.

How will advisers be better than promoters ? We will then see cross-advising bs dramas. What Haymon is doing is attracting boxers by low service cost and his growing influence. He already has too much influence allowing him to stage super crappy fights. The closer he is to monopoly, the worse it is for boxing.

ikorolev wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:Everyone except the fighters who are signed to Haymon complain.
He must be doing something right

Yep exactly.

Sh!t I hope Al signs a mfer a day til the whole industry turns into a promoter by fight industry &/or long term contracts are a thing of the past. Sooner or later I gotta imagine other cats start becoming "advisors" too when they see the upside to what Al is doing for himself obviously, but also for the fighters.

I'd love to see a boxing landscape where promoters power goes down drastically. If a promoter only promoted a guy on a fight by fight basis the fights would be better & we never gotta worry about this cross-promoting bs drama we gotta be concerned about today.

The way boxing works is so awful right now. It could use a change.

How will advisers be better than promoters ? We will then see cross-advising bs dramas. What Haymon is doing is attracting boxers by low service cost and his growing influence. He already has too much influence allowing him to stage super crappy fights. The closer he is to monopoly, the worse it is for boxing.

Maybe advisors won't be, but I know promoters aren't doing the right thing therefore I'm pro trying a new option. Promoters had their control & they dicked around with it & f#cked over more fighters than the IRS.

The cross advisor thing or just seeing Al working with guys he's not accustomed to working with will be interesting to see how it works out. I think we'll know the answer to that later this year & I'm hoping he's smart enough (& I think he's one of if not the smartest guy in boxing, as basically everyone who's talked to him has said & he does talk to many media guys he just does it off the record) to realize that the move is to work with everyone.

People keep saying monopoly like its a bad thing. Well actually first off I don't really think he's a monopoly. He's just a guy doing good work & getting the benefit of more customers for doing that better work. Saying Al is a monopoly is like saying McDonalds is a monopoly. McDonalds is just offering cheaper food that people like. That gets a bunch of mfers in their door & not in the sketchy looking Chinese food joint down the block. If the Chinese food joint upped their game & maybe washed down a table or two they'd get more business.

But as for a monopoly why isn't MLB, the NBA or the NFL considered a monopoly? And can you imagine if all the best baseball, basketball & football players were all scattered around in lesser leagues all over the country? That'd be sh!tty that you couldn't see the best compete against the best. Thats basically what we have in the US. I'm pro a centralized power structure in boxing or as people always try to spin it, a monopoly.

ReggieDiggs wrote: People keep saying monopoly like its a bad thing. Well actually first off I don't really think he's a monopoly. He's just a guy doing good work & getting the benefit of more customers for doing that better work. Saying Al is a monopoly is like saying McDonalds is a monopoly. McDonalds is just offering cheaper food that people like. That gets a bunch of mfers in their door & not in the sketchy looking Chinese food joint down the block. If the Chinese food joint upped their game & maybe washed down a table or two they'd get more business.

But as for a monopoly why isn't MLB, the NBA or the NFL considered a monopoly? And can you imagine if all the best baseball, basketball & football players were all scattered around in lesser leagues all over the country? That'd be sh!tty that you couldn't see the best compete against the best. Thats basically what we have in the US. I'm pro a centralized power structure in boxing or as people always try to spin it, a monopoly.

I'm hoping Al is the boost boxing needs.

Reggie you nailed it in that last post.
I am for anything that may possibly be better than the old way of screwing fighters.
I am taking a let's see approach with Haymon. So far his fighters seem happy.

ReggieDiggs wrote:But as for a monopoly why isn't MLB, the NBA or the NFL considered a monopoly? And can you imagine if all the best baseball, basketball & football players were all scattered around in lesser leagues all over the country? That'd be sh!tty that you couldn't see the best compete against the best. Thats basically what we have in the US. I'm pro a centralized power structure in boxing or as people always try to spin it, a monopoly.

MLB even has an antitrust exemption.

ikorolev wrote:How will advisers be better than promoters ? We will then see cross-advising bs dramas. What Haymon is doing is attracting boxers by low service cost and his growing influence. He already has too much influence allowing him to stage super crappy fights. The closer he is to monopoly, the worse it is for boxing.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe HBO, Showtime, Promoters were offering crappy money? We know for a fact that, besides ppv, HBO & Showtime have cut their boxing budgets. If you want to see Garcia v. Peterson, don't offer a Garcia v. Salka purse or else that's what you're going to get.LSC got paid more for his last on the undercard fight than Kovalev did for fighting Hopkins as the main event.

tiny_acres wrote:Everyone except the fighters who are signed to Haymon complain.
He must be doing something right

Obviously wasn't right for Matthyse http://www.BS.com/matthysses-m ... mon--86702

... or Matthyse was just a bone thrown by Haymon to DLH during them settling their dispute.

tiny_acres wrote:Reggie you nailed it in that last post.
I am for anything that may possibly be better than the old way of screwing fighters.
I am taking a let's see approach with Haymon. So far his fighters seem happy.

Interests of fighters are different from interests of fans. Many of the fighters are happy with fighting bums for the most of their careers, but most of fans don't want to see those crappy fights.

ikorolev wrote:... or Matthyse was just a bone thrown by Haymon to DLH during them settling their dispute.

Matthyse and his manager chose to sign a new 5 year deal with Golden Boy without consulting Haymon and aren't working with him anymore. Seems more like they've chosen not to work with Haymon than the other way round.

fergusg wrote:It’s interesting that Matthysee has stopped working with Al Haymon… I wonder if this will affect his ability to find big fights, because GBP & Top Rank only have a limited roster of 140lb-ers in their stable.

I am also curious to know if Haymon would still be willing to work with GBP, if not, Lucas may struggle to find decent paydays.

I actually don’t know of any fighter that has recently stop working with Al Haymon (other than Matthysee), but I’m sure that it must have happened at some point.

It sounds like Ruslan vs Lucas is a go for March 28 so its definitely not stopping him from getting big fights & that has FOTY & fun ass fight written all over it.

I think Lucas has a bunch of fun matchups with TR guys even if Al & GBP don't work together. Whatever happens with Ruslan I wouldn't mind seeing Lucas vs Brandon Rios later this year. There is Tim Bradley. If Lucas played his cards right & won the right fights he could even find himself across the ring from Manny. Lucas is gonna do alright payday wise whoever he goes with imho.

I know Andre Dirrell left Al, went to 50 Cent for a year or two & came back to Al.

benion wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:But as for a monopoly why isn't MLB, the NBA or the NFL considered a monopoly? And can you imagine if all the best baseball, basketball & football players were all scattered around in lesser leagues all over the country? That'd be sh!tty that you couldn't see the best compete against the best. Thats basically what we have in the US. I'm pro a centralized power structure in boxing or as people always try to spin it, a monopoly.

MLB even has an antitrust exemption.

Comparing Haymon with MLB/NBA/NFL is absolutely illogical. Analogs of those federations/associations in boxing are IBF/WBC/WBA/WBO, and it would actually be better if there was only one major sanctioning body and that body had strict rules on who should fight who during a certain season in order to compete for a belt.

Baseball/basketball/football players still have their own managers/advisers/etc., and it would be really bad if one of them controlled a majority of players in a sport allowing to fix games.

ikorolev wrote:

benion wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:But as for a monopoly why isn't MLB, the NBA or the NFL considered a monopoly? And can you imagine if all the best baseball, basketball & football players were all scattered around in lesser leagues all over the country? That'd be sh!tty that you couldn't see the best compete against the best. Thats basically what we have in the US. I'm pro a centralized power structure in boxing or as people always try to spin it, a monopoly.

MLB even has an antitrust exemption.

Comparing Haymon with MLB/NBA/NFL is absolutely illogical. Analogs of those federations/associations in boxing are IBF/WBC/WBA/WBO, and it would actually be better if there was only one major sanctioning body and that body had strict rules on who should fight who during a certain season in order to compete for a belt.

Baseball/basketball/football players still have their own managers/advisers/etc., and it would be really bad if one of them controlled a majority of players in a sport allowing to fix games.

MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, Haymon all have talent and their talent is exclusive to their leagues. What talent does the alphabet soup organizations have? That don't even set the rules for the sport, a la NFL, NBA, ect. They set the rules a fighter must abide by in order to attain and retain their belts. It may not be the best comparison but the alphabet soup organization is a worse analogy. They can't even force a fighter to fight another fighter wing all other organizations, and to a lesser extent Haymon, can force their talent to compete against each other

Maybe Al did install a DMV number grabber thing at his office door that I joked about. Apparently signed 10 more guys. Most notably from my POV is fellow Michigan resident, Isiah Thomas (not THAT Isiah Thomas), Manny Steward used to speak highly of him. I think like that Lara kid who Manny hyped back in the day Isiah has been off & on with boxing.

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