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Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 19:53
by Ricky_
Interesting fight. Was really impressed by JMjr when he fought Mathysse but i just seen he lost wide to Humberto Soto since then. I never seen that fight but looking at those cards it looks like a regression from a real tough, gutsy performance vs Matthysse. If Molina can find that kind of form i'd like his chances against what may be a shopworn Broner who is going to shed a shit-ton of weight.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 21:29
by diddy
Broner wins. Comfortably. He's got too much handspeed for Molina.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 22:38
by scotboxfan
Broner should beat him comfortably , then he can beat him to the cakeshop afterwards
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 06:40
by Batley18
Oh how even the moderately might fall. And is there anyone out there who I would like to see fail more than Broner.............nope.
Seeing how this guy was the new FMJ, he has really fallen flat on his fat behind. JMJ shouldn't pose too much of an issue for Broner, and it is a bit of a crappy fight.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 30 Jan 2015, 07:19
by Badhusker
Good fight. Edge to Broner. Hopefully Broner will eventually get a trainer that will help him showcase the talent he really has. So far, his poor impression of Floyd is not helping him. Honestly I think Floyd Sr. may be the best choice to get him where he needs to be. Even as crack-heady as Floyd Sr. talks now, Oscar said he was by far the best trainer he ever had, including Roach.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 30 Jan 2015, 08:57
by IRLangmaid25
Adrien Broner should have enough in his locker in terms of footwork, hand speed and overall speed to beat John Molina. If he keeps to stick and moving then it should be an easy nights work for him. If he let's Molina drag him into a shootout I think Molina may have enough to put him over.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 30 Jan 2015, 20:49
by Evander
Molina is tough, I'm not sure how much he has left in the tank overall and for the long distance fights.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 04:12
by Tarkus
It will be an inside dogfight. I fancy Broner because of his defense, handspeed and accuracy. So unless Molina can hurt him, which is unlikely, Broner will win possibly by stoppage.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 19:56
by SenorPipino
Molina is tough, gritty and strong but saddled with average speed and mechanical movement. Porous defense.
If you don't stand in front of him, he's lost.
The charismatic, speedy Broner should have a field day in this one. Look for him to bounce back into the title picture with a 5th round stoppage.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 22:36
by ReggieDiggs
John is a tough mfer who can hit. You can never count him out as Mickey Bey & Henry Lundy would confirm. Meanwhile Adrien ain't KO'd anyone in 2 years & since he was at 135lbs & he seems a lil shook since the Marcos L. I think this fight is closer than many are suggesting. I think I still gotta take Adrien cuz John is usually losing when he's supposed to lose & winning when he's supposed to win with a few anomalies in there, but I think there is definitely some solid upset potential here.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 04 Feb 2015, 17:27
by SenorPipino
Broner has opened an 8-1 favorite over Molina.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 07:11
by mcbrando
Mouth says elite, ability says domestic level.
Decent domestic level scrap
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 14:27
by SFW
Losing wide to Soto shows vulnerability, really hard to see Broner losing unless he gets hit with a bomb
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 06 Feb 2015, 03:12
by jas80s
"The charismatic, speedy Broner"
That has GOT to be a typo....
Only way Broner can lose this fight would be to have a suspect beard.......he doesn't.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 06 Feb 2015, 03:51
by diddy
Broner will win a wide UD. 99-91'ish. Think this is a 10 rounder.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 06 Feb 2015, 08:50
by Ricky_
jas80s wrote:"The charismatic, speedy Broner"
That has GOT to be a typo....
Only way Broner can lose this fight would be to have a suspect beard.......he doesn't.
Nobody seems to be picking up on his weight issues. It's only a matter of time it ruins him.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 06 Feb 2015, 10:24
by digzee
jas80s wrote:"The charismatic, speedy Broner"
That has GOT to be a typo....
Only way Broner can lose this fight would be to have a suspect beard.......he doesn't.
That's exactly what I thought
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 19:19
by SenorPipino
Since so many of you constantly degrade Broner and his ability, I figure there must be a reason he still manages to get so much attention from you.
Obviously fellas, it's because he oozes charisma.
If the guy didn't possess it in spades, none of you would even discuss him.
Instead you'd spend your time rhapsodizing breathlessly about Mr. Personality himself, Comrade Kovalev and his brother in magnetism, Golovkin.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 19:36
by Purse Bid Shakedown
SenorPipino wrote:Since so many of you constantly degrade Broner and his ability, I figure there must be a reason he still manages to get so much attention from you.
Obviously fellas, it's because he oozes charisma.
If the guy didn't possess it in spades, none of you would even discuss him.
Instead you'd spend your time rhapsodizing breathlessly about Mr. Personality himself, Comrade Kovalev and his brother in magnetism, Golovkin.
You'll find he gets a whole lot less attention now that he's fallen short of expectations 4 fights in a row. His next fight is undercard, vs fringe contender at best. Wouldn't be shocked he struggles again.
GGG and Kovalev don't seem alike in personality or "magnetism". GGG actually has fairly broad appeal, as you could tell if you watched the Rubio fight, or any other of his.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 20:07
by SenorPipino
Golovkin's appeal is based strictly on what he does in the ring. Pretty much the same as Pacquiao. Neither guy's personality is reminiscent of Ali or even a Wilder.
The attention they get is only for their fighting ability.
Both are zilch on the personality meter. Broner has the it factor.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 20:28
by Purse Bid Shakedown
SenorPipino wrote:Golovkin's appeal is based strictly on what he does in the ring. Pretty much the same as Pacquiao. Neither guy's personality is reminiscent of Ali or even a Wilder.
The attention they get is only for their fighting ability.
Both are zilch on the personality meter. Broner has the it factor.
The it factor? That works as long as you can back it up in the ring, and Broner repeatedly comes up short.
GGG with his bad English is a quote machine, unlike Pac, another happy go lucky, respectful guy with bad English. And seems to have caught on with the more casual fan. Of course much of that is his boxing style and ring performance, but his post fight interviews are also can't miss.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 20:34
by crusader
The first four definitions of charisma I found:
-compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others
-a special charm or appeal that causes people to feel attracted and excited by someone
-a rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm.
-personal magnetism (the ability to attract and charm people) or charm
Getting attention (which is waning in Broner's case given his recent performances) because of what you do apart from fighting doesn't mean you have charisma. If a fighter made death threats towards Obama during a post-fight interview on HBO that would likely draw a great amount of attention to them, but is that an example of charisma? I think not.
I don't see how Broner has the charm or other positive aspects included in the definitions above to be considered charismatic; flamboyant is a better descriptor in my view.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 21:03
by Purse Bid Shakedown
fergusg wrote:Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:GGG with his bad English is a quote machine, unlike Pac, another happy go lucky, respectful guy with bad English. And seems to have caught on with the more casual fan. Of course much of that is his boxing style and ring performance, but his post fight interviews are also can't miss.
I’m a huge fan of Gennady Golovkin’s in-ring ability, but his post-fight interviews are really dire!
The man with the strong Kazakh accent and hideous grinning choir boy smile responds to questions posed during interviews with a constant series of short, scripted and well-rehearsed clichéd answers delivered in a machine gun-like style!
His heavily media-trained out-of-the-ring persona is utterly putrid and annoyingly stereotypical… almost to the point of jaw-dropping tedium!
Perhaps GGG’s English is so bad that he has simply committed to memory a selective set of English phrases to hide his limited vocabulary, but if this really is the case, then I’d advise his team of advisors to employ a translator, because it’s abundantly clear that he can talk a glass eye to sleep with astonishing ease! Simply put: he’s a cure or insomnia!
Just to reiterate what I stated before, I really am one of Gennady’s biggest fans, but it’s clear that he either lacks charisma or the media training he’s received has drained his personality of all charm and intrigue!
I dunno, you seem extremely tedious yourself, so it's not really representative. Mostly due to his bad English and lack of inhibitions around it, he's become one of the most quotable boxers around: "he is good boy", "go into home, tell your parents I say hi", "look at me Max, I have 3 belts", "Mexican style" etc. He's hilarious in an earnest way, people love it. Broner OTOH comes across like a cheap knockoff of Mayweather without the talent and accomplishment. Extra crass though.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 21:10
by Purse Bid Shakedown
fergusg wrote:Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:I dunno, you seem extremely tedious yourself, so it's not really representative.
Your stance is weak... and you kinow it, so you resort to personal attacks and name-calling... classy!
No I mean it. Make a poll, most tedious poster on boxrec. Guarantee you win in a landslide.
Re: Broner vs John Molina Jnr
Posted: 07 Feb 2015, 21:50
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
I assumed Broner's rise to prominence was partly because people were actively looking for the next Mayweather and partly because he does have some talent and knock-out power. Nothing about him is charismatic in the slightest - compared to Floyd, who for all his many faults is smart(ish), dynamic and passionate, Broner seems lazy, dull, distant and smug.
The Golovkin comparisons are just irrelevant and bizarre. Why did he come up?
But Broner does have some talent. Enough talent to toy with and destroy a guy like Molina at least, if he can get back to anything like he was pre-Maidana.