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Not really a fan of the whole WBA regular/ super champ thing, so I cant say I care much either way. Thurman is fighting a decent opponent in Guerrero and on a different night with a different sanctioning body that fight could be for an ABC belt anyway, so its not really a big deal. Personally, I don't really class the 'regular' WBA belt as a legit world title if someone is holding the super belt in the division, but its all semantics really, the belts are all so diluted these days that it doesn't matter all that much how you look at it.

I see it being more of a case that you stated:

or they could simply do what they did with Felix Sturm and Gennady Golovkin (from 2010 to 2012), by allowing both men to be world champions for the time being…

We all know how they do with their Champ, Super Champ and Champion Emeritus crap. I don't think Thurman is ready for Floyd yet but Mayweather isn't a spring chicken any longer and Keith can crack.

I'd rather see Thurman vs Porter or Thurman vs Maidana.

CheckHook wrote:its all semantics really, the belts are all so diluted these days that it doesn't matter all that much how you look at it.

This. No fan should give a sh!t about belts these days.

CheckHook wrote:Not really a fan of the whole WBA regular/ super champ thing, so I cant say I care much either way. Thurman is fighting a decent opponent in Guerrero and on a different night with a different sanctioning body that fight could be for an ABC belt anyway, so its not really a big deal. Personally, I don't really class the 'regular' WBA belt as a legit world title if someone is holding the super belt in the division, but its all semantics really, the belts are all so diluted these days that it doesn't matter all that much how you look at it.

I agree to the extent that "belts don't matter" when you are a big PPV star but to those who are trying to get into the upper echelons I think they do lend a little weight at the negotiating table, if you have a belt and some Top 10 fighter want to fight you then you have the edge in terms of dollars/cents and other things afforded to the Champ that's not afforded to those without one.

fergusg wrote:The WBA could eventually make Keith Thurman the mandatory challenger for Floyd Mayweather’s “Super” world title

unfortunately i think the phoney "super" title has no mandatory challengers.
it's a fashion accessory that exempts multiple belt holders from having any mandatory challengers
so it just about guarantees the regular will never fight the super. the super title needs to be eliminated
and all the belts need to rank the other belt holders fairly in their top 10. for example, golovkin should
fairly be the #1 mandatory contender for all the major titles he doesn't have.

fergusg wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

CheckHook wrote:its all semantics really, the belts are all so diluted these days that it doesn't matter all that much how you look at it.

This. No fan should give a sh!t about belts these days.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on this…

It’s a sorry state of affairs, when we have a fighter (Keith Thurman) that is not considered a top five 147lb-er by ESPN, Ring Magazine & BoxRec, who has never faced a legitimate top-ten welterweight, being elevated to a fully-fledged “world champion”, without actually knowing about it himself.

I recall the boxing media furore that surrounded the WBC when they declared Lennox Lewis their heavyweight world champion, without actually having to earn the belt in the ring.

It seems that nowadays, nobody cares if people are “elevated” to becoming world champions, which is a shame for the sport itself.

Its more than that. I mean we are talking about a champion being elevated to a higher version of champion. Thats ridiculous.

WBA is a joke. It's the only one of the 4 that I deeply hate because of their stupid triple belts. They are corrupt as f*ck.
Secondly I still never understood what happens when "Super" Champion fights the "Regular" Champion. And when the "Super" or "Regular" Champions fight the "Interim" Champion. Do they become "Unified" inside the WBA?
Klitschko who was the "Super" Champion beat "Povetkin" who was the "Regular" Champion. Yet a year after that fight WBA scheduled Chagaev's fight to be for the "Regular" belt that Klitschko technically won against Povetkin.
WBA is a disgrace.

In reality, it doesn't mean much, and I am sure Thurman knows it. I think he has been Floyd's mandatory for a while now, but we all know how that goes. WBC does the same crap. Silver belt, gold belt, whatever. WBO strips Algieri for fighting Pac? They all do stupid shit and rank guys according to who and how they want to schedule fights.

Thurman vs Guerrero is a real live battle. I give the edge to Thurman, but think Guerrero is a live underdog in this one. Guys like Khan wouldn't go anywhere near either one. Must be a reason behind that. Both guys had kind of a lackluster fight last time out, and will be looking to elevate themselves at 147. It will be their best win at welter, whoever wins it.

The Guerrero scrap could be good for us [Fans] if Thurman comes to fight, last time Keith stunk the joint out.
Mostly everyone on the inside knows what Rob does, if Thurman can mix up his stand and trade abilities with his boxing makes for a good fight.

Thurman joins an illustrious group of plastic belt holders right next to Scott Quigg. fornicate WBA.

N*ggas in my hood only fight for Gucci belts :)

Do you think it's good mentally, especially short term, for a fighter to receive the title in this manner? I would think the mental benefits from actually beating the champ and mental boost to become the champ, far outweigh the benefits of simply being elevated to, the champ.

Most fighters look back on the day they won the title and the fight, the feeling and the moment that those words were announced 'and the new..'.

Like Wilder, right now must still be buzzing.

Thurman's story will be 'the day I got the phone call from Al'. Sad, really.

Like I said before, Thurman knows what he has, and how he got it. He, like any boxer that is handed a paper belt knows they still have work ahead of them to become the best, and are not going to sit and be satisfied.

If Thurman knocks the crap out of Guerrero and especially if he KO's him, he will have a solid claim....as he will have beat Guerrero more impressively than Floyd has. I am still puzzled as to why Khan didn't want to go that route, as Guerrero seems tailor made for his style. Must be something about him though that Khan doesn't want. Roughhouse tactics possibly?

This could be a contender for FOTY. One guy has not lost and the other only has one loss in about the last 8 years.

Evander wrote:The Guerrero scrap could be good for us [Fans] if Thurman comes to fight, last time Keith stunk the joint out.
Mostly everyone on the inside knows what Rob does, if Thurman can mix up his stand and trade abilities with his boxing makes for a good fight.

Thurman, "Ghost", Molina, and Broner are not gonna come out looking like shit on national broadcast TV. This ain't premium cable where you know boxing fans are watching so you can get away with just doing enough for the win. All four are gonna treat this fight as a make or break for their career because it essentially is. One punch can change their tax bracket for better or worse. Broner has the most to lose. Thurman has the most to gain. Molina can win fans and bigger paydays by being exiting and crowd pleasing. He doesn't have to win. The Ghost is known from his fight with Floyd so even casual fans know what to expect from him. If Thurman can " knock out the man Floyd couldn't knock out" he's jumps over every other welterweight for a Floyd fight in September. Sure it ain't right but that's the business of boxing. Why the fornicate Khan ain't fighting on NBC?

I'm not assuming he won't fight on OBC I'm asking why isn't he fighting on the first two NBC shows. It's not like he's doing anything else. Floyd is stringing him along once again. I highly doubt if we'll see him fight PAC. Khan wants "super fights" not big fights. He said so after his last fight. I don't understand how he thinks he's on the same level as Floyd or PAC skillwise and in popularity. The two guys his last two loses are from are fighting each other on NBC

benion wrote:I'm not assuming he won't fight on OBC I'm asking why isn't he fighting on the first two NBC shows. It's not like he's doing anything else. Floyd is stringing him along once again. I highly doubt if we'll see him fight PAC. Khan wants "super fights" not big fights. He said so after his last fight. I don't understand how he thinks he's on the same level as Floyd or PAC skillwise and in popularity. The two guys his last two loses are from are fighting each other on NBC

I think Khan's attitude is why I dislike him so much.He really believe is in the same league
as Pacquiao and Mayweather.How he figures he is in their league is beyond me.

tiny_acres wrote:

benion wrote:I'm not assuming he won't fight on OBC I'm asking why isn't he fighting on the first two NBC shows. It's not like he's doing anything else. Floyd is stringing him along once again. I highly doubt if we'll see him fight PAC. Khan wants "super fights" not big fights. He said so after his last fight. I don't understand how he thinks he's on the same level as Floyd or PAC skillwise and in popularity. The two guys his last two loses are from are fighting each other on NBC

I think Khan's attitude is why I dislike him so much.He really believe is in the same league
as Pacquiao and Mayweather.How he figures he is in their league is beyond me.

I don't understand why he doesn't try to avenge his loss to Garcia. I can understand not fighting Peterson again. He got some home cooking and was on PED's. But Khan acts like Garcia doesn't exist and the fight never happened. Khan v. Garcia II would make both fighters their highest payday and not only could Khan avenge his loss he could also give Danny his first L (assuming he beats Peterson) and would most likely be on NBC. Khan is delusional.

fergusg wrote:

benion wrote:I'm not assuming he won't fight on OBC I'm asking why isn't he fighting on the first two NBC shows. It's not like he's doing anything else. Floyd is stringing him along once again. I highly doubt if we'll see him fight PAC. Khan wants "super fights" not big fights. He said so after his last fight. I don't understand how he thinks he's on the same level as Floyd or PAC skillwise and in popularity. The two guys his last two loses are from are fighting each other on NBC

Amir obviously prefers to sit on the proverbial bench, whilst waiting for the lottery-winning payday he'd receive from a potential Mayweather Jr. bout, than risk another defeat on his record for the sake of a tiny purse.

I think we'll very quickly see Khan sign-up for a fight if the Pacquiao-Maweather bout comes to fruition, which still looks highly unlikely at this point in time!

Wrong, it is highly likely that the fight will happen. The network issue will be solved. A lot of money at stake, so understandably each want the biggest slice of the pie. Both are apparently too greedy to compromise.....yet.Maybe at halftime we will find out?