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Now we are pretty much being fooled on a daily basis about Mayweather-Pacquiao actually happening. Let's not fool ourselves, it's not happening!!!

Al Haymon and Floyd Mayweather both despise Bob Arum. With all the moves Haymon is making and Floyd's reluctance to do business with his former promoter, it's showing that they're doing more than just despising. They're trying to put Arum and Top Rank out of business.

Mayweather-Cotto 2 will happen and that will be a double whammy on Top Rank.

That fight kills two mega fights which we to involve Top Rank... Mayweather-Pacquiao Cotto-Canelo.

Top Rank will be forced to settle for a matchup between Manny and Amir Khan. That fight will not be a PPV success and neither be able to absorb the $20+ million purse that Pacman commands. Let's not forget to mention that Khan will be paid handsomely as well.

Top Rank has had numerous fights fall out in recent months which leads me to believe that this is more than competition. It's an execution!

Is the end near for Top Rank?

Top Rank has some some of the best prospects in boxing under their banner. They aren't going anywhere. I do agree that in the short term things aren't going great.

Manny is a walking ATM. Zou Shiming is being aimed toward being a Macau ATM which is becoming the new Las Vegas to more & more people every day. Bob gots the best class of 2012 roster of any promoter. Sure there are issues with making "the big fights" right now, that happens, & it seems like Julio Jr is gone & maybe Mikey Garcia will be too (we'll see on that one), but TR's demise isn't coming anytime soon. TR will survive beyond Bob imho. I think his son in law is gonna have to be a pretty big f#ck up for TR not to last into the 2020's even if Bob died tomorrow.

Don't know why you feel TR's survival hinges on a Mayweather-Pac fight. I'm certain Arum can survive nicely if that fight never materializes just as I would assume that he'll thrive when Pacquiao retires.
All promoters realize that their main meal ticket will eventually fade away. There's no reason to believe that Arum feels his company will dissolve once the Filipino exits the scene. I'm sure he already has a Pacquiao-less future mapped out.
He's been around too long and been too successful to be caught napping.

ReggieDiggs wrote:Manny is a walking ATM. Zou Shiming is being aimed toward being a Macau ATM which is becoming the new Las Vegas to more & more people every day. Bob gots the best class of 2012 roster of any promoter. Sure there are issues with making "the big fights" right now, that happens, & it seems like Julio Jr is gone & maybe Mikey Garcia will be too (we'll see on that one), but TR's demise isn't coming anytime soon. TR will survive beyond Bob imho. I think his son in law is gonna have to be a pretty big f#ck up for TR not to last into the 2020's even if Bob died tomorrow.

Macao actually (and this was a surprise to me) grosses something like eight times what Vegas does.

Top Rank have so many standout prospects it's amazing people think they are in any trouble.

DaveyMac wrote:Macao actually (and this was a surprise to me) grosses something like eight times what Vegas does.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/06/news/ma ... -gambling/
"The Chinese territory reported gambling revenue of 360 billion patacas ($45 billion) for
2013, an increase of almost 20% over the previous year. If that sounds like a lot of cash,
it is. Las Vegas will be lucky to make $6.5 billion, or 15% of Macau's total."

both were down a little in 2014, but RD was probably talking about the boxing side.
adelson has just started backing up the brinks truck for boxing, probably because
he knows it brings in high rollers and helps promote the place worldwide.
every time i see a quote with a u i'm itching to change it to an o. it's macao...

Best way for Haymon to put a dent in Arum's business would be Floyd knocking Manny out in like 2 rounds.

But Floyd is physically and mentally incapable of beating Pacquiao so they need to stick with their choreographed sparring sessions with handpicked patsies.

Floyd is the one fading fast. He's a money loser now and the Cotto rematch is going to lose more millions because Canelo Kirkland is going to kill it.

Actually if by miracle Floyd did sign and KO Pac, it would only make Pac more intriguing, just like the JMM loss did.

The same can't be said for Floyd. If Floyd loses, he's finished as an attraction.

GilFilmore wrote:Now we are pretty much being fooled on a daily basis about Mayweather-Pacquiao actually happening. Let's not fool ourselves, it's not happening!!!

Al Haymon and Floyd Mayweather both despise Bob Arum. With all the moves Haymon is making and Floyd's reluctance to do business with his former promoter, it's showing that they're doing more than just despising. They're trying to put Arum and Top Rank out of business.

Mayweather-Cotto 2 will happen and that will be a double whammy on Top Rank.

That fight kills two mega fights which we to involve Top Rank... Mayweather-Pacquiao Cotto-Canelo.

Top Rank will be forced to settle for a matchup between Manny and Amir Khan. That fight will not be a PPV success and neither be able to absorb the $20+ million purse that Pacman commands. Let's not forget to mention that Khan will be paid handsomely as well.

Top Rank has had numerous fights fall out in recent months which leads me to believe that this is more than competition. It's an execution!

Is the end near for Top Rank?

I can't believe what all the news going around in regards to why this fight has yet to be made we still have laymen here speaking as though this has something to do with Floyd and Manny not making it happen.

Why don't you go and research this and see that it is Showtime that is being the hold up here, Arum has even said that Floyd and Manny both agreed to everything, HBO has said they have no issues but we have yet to hear anyone from Showtime speak on this, but do you guys ever stop to try and ask yourselves, why??

Showtime is in the hole on this one, they want HBO to not be able to replay the fight because they (SHO) will lose money on Floyd, sure it is true that Mayweather did not bring them the million plus on his last PPV fights and they lost out and now they are hoping to recoup or at least break even but they are trying to get HBO to budge at least 5% on this and HBO basically told them "go to Hell".

Until Showtime agrees then we will not see the fight but don't get it twisted, it isn't because of Mayweather or Pacquiao.

GilFilmore wrote:Now we are pretty much being fooled on a daily basis about Mayweather-Pacquiao actually happening. Let's not fool ourselves, it's not happening!!!

Al Haymon and Floyd Mayweather both despise Bob Arum. With all the moves Haymon is making and Floyd's reluctance to do business with his former promoter, it's showing that they're doing more than just despising. They're trying to put Arum and Top Rank out of business.

Mayweather-Cotto 2 will happen and that will be a double whammy on Top Rank.

That fight kills two mega fights which we to involve Top Rank... Mayweather-Pacquiao Cotto-Canelo.

Top Rank will be forced to settle for a matchup between Manny and Amir Khan. That fight will not be a PPV success and neither be able to absorb the $20+ million purse that Pacman commands. Let's not forget to mention that Khan will be paid handsomely as well.

Top Rank has had numerous fights fall out in recent months which leads me to believe that this is more than competition. It's an execution!

Is the end near for Top Rank?

I think Top Rank is steady as she goes with I believe Arums son in law? Morreti doing a lot of the heavy lifting, if anything I think Arum hates Floyd so much he is impeding the fight to prevent Floyd a good payday. All conjecture on my part.

GilFilmore wrote:Mayweather-Cotto 2 will happen and that will be a double whammy on Top Rank.

That fight kills two mega fights which we to involve Top Rank... Mayweather-Pacquiao Cotto-Canelo.

Top Rank will be forced to settle for a matchup between Manny and Amir Khan. That fight will not be a PPV success and neither be able to absorb the $20+ million purse that Pacman commands. Let's not forget to mention that Khan will be paid handsomely as well.

Top Rank has had numerous fights fall out in recent months which leads me to believe that this is more than competition. It's an execution!

Is the end near for Top Rank?

That plan is likely to hurt Floyd more rather than Top Rank. Floyd suffers the backlash from not making the Pacquaio fight, and his PPV numbers drop a lot off the first Cotto fight, probably to the 400-700k range. Not bad numbers for most, but not good given his lofty contract with Showtime and previous PPV highs. Pacquiao's numbers probably go up from his last few fights facing Khan, and he'll be fighting yet another guy that Floyd has been accused of ducking while Floyd is fighting a rematch of a fighter he clearly beat, so the overall perception is a lot better for Pacquiao assuming he beats Khan. And after those fights are done, Floyd doesn't have any names out there he can "safely" fight for any kind of good PPV numbers with one fight left on his Showtime contract, with the best option being someone like Danny Garcia.