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gentlemen,

i do not want to get into my suspicion who is to
blame for all this ridiculous negotiation stunt you
people have set out to display for years now.

you are a disgrace to the sport you are working in.
you have been preventing the biggest fight of our
time from happening. it is the same as if johnson
had not fought jeffries, willard refused dempsey,
louis found a good excuse to avoid schmelling and
ali's team could not have agreed with neither frazier
or foreman on terms for their fights.

i thought nothing could disgust me more than the
alphabet belt organisations, but you made it possible.
though, let me exclude one person from my criticism.
manny pacquiao himself, because his record shows
he never ducked anyone, not for a millisecond and i
have no reason whatsoever to believe that he does
now. but all you others negotiators, promotors,
tv presidents, what you have been representing is a
rotten new world of money showing its muscle over
dignity and honest work. you are presiding over your
kingdoms in the promoting-management-televising
sphere and you show all of us down here how the
world is run these days.

in a hundred years from now people will look up
places like this one here and see the record of fighters.
your name, mister manager/promoter, will be looong
forgotten. people will just see two names next to each
other and ask themselves ... "why?". oh, sorry, dempsey
could not fight tunney, because their managers could
not agree on filming rights. hagler-hearns? too bad,
didn't happen, they could not agree on the purse split.

sorry, i can't help one more thing. floyd, you were the
reason years ago with your blood test request. maybe
you were right, maybe you were wrong, but i feel like
it is indisputable that once you were the reason this
fight didn't happen. before i say the following, i have
to state that i truly admire your game and how you
kept improving even in your thirties. BUT, sir, do not
even dare to use something like GOAT, or whatever
you invented to call the best pound for pound fighter
of all time, for yourself. don't you dare put yourself up
there with the sugar ray robinsons, muhammad alis,
sugar ray leonards, roberto durans, joe louis' or any
other of the legends of this sport, who DID go out and
fought the best, quite often under difficult circumstances,
and would not even contemplate on coming up with all
these little itches and twitches that could make them
avoid someone.

if you keep your "0" without fighting manny pacquiao,
you will impress your juvenile audience, but real fans
of the sport will not fall for it and history will give you
one label "the ducking ATG". imagine ali was twenty
when marciano still fought and rocky had refused him.
you think "49-0" would mean the same? no, sir, the 49
shrink into nothingness, as unfair as that might be, if
the "0" is bought by ducking. but maybe i am unfair to
you and maybe it is indeed haymon or arum or HBO's
greed or showtime's mismanagement, what do i know?

but, all of you, save me the crap of how difficult this
is to negotiate and get all details right. just, save me
that CRAP.

man

man wrote:what do i know?

Not a mfing thing apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgmrMsOIKQ

There's actual interviews & news articles shown in this video that the public seems to turn a blind eye to cuz I'd speculate Floyd is a "bad guy" so obviously he's the one causing problems or cuz Manny is such a pleasant mfer or some combo of that idk. Boxing fans watching too much wrestling or something idk. And this isn't a Floyd lover or Manny hater type of guy. Look at this cats videos, he does boxing skill breakdowns of elite boxers typically (& there pretty f#cking good for anyone who doesn't follow him already) & doesn't get into this type of sh!t usually.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

man wrote:what do i know?

Not a mfing thing apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgmrMsOIKQ

There's actual interviews & news articles shown in this video that the public seems to turn a blind eye to cuz I'd speculate Floyd is a "bad guy" so obviously he's the one causing problems or cuz Manny is such a pleasant mfer or some combo of that idk. Boxing fans watching too much wrestling or something idk. And this isn't a Floyd lover or Manny hater type of guy. Look at this cats videos, he does boxing skill breakdowns of elite boxers typically (& there pretty f#cking good for anyone who doesn't follow him already) & doesn't get into this type of sh!t usually.

in case you haven't realised yet, on this thing called
the internet you will find "actual interviews & news
articles" supporting any conviction you might have.

i intentionally only mentioned things in my post that
no reasonable person can dispute IMO, no matter which
fighter they cheer for. floyd did turn the fight down years
ago because of blood testing. manny pacquiao has a record
where he took almost ridiculously dangerous opponents
on and i have yet to hear he ever ducked anyone. to me
indisputable and as yourself i see myself as a fan of both.
i am definitely not a floyd hater. but i'm no idiot either.

man wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

man wrote:what do i know?

Not a mfing thing apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgmrMsOIKQ

There's actual interviews & news articles shown in this video that the public seems to turn a blind eye to cuz I'd speculate Floyd is a "bad guy" so obviously he's the one causing problems or cuz Manny is such a pleasant mfer or some combo of that idk. Boxing fans watching too much wrestling or something idk. And this isn't a Floyd lover or Manny hater type of guy. Look at this cats videos, he does boxing skill breakdowns of elite boxers typically (& there pretty f#cking good for anyone who doesn't follow him already) & doesn't get into this type of sh!t usually.

in case you haven't realised yet, on this thing called
the internet you will find "actual interviews & news
articles" supporting any conviction you might have.

i intentionally only mentioned things in my post that
no reasonable person can dispute IMO, no matter which
fighter they cheer for. floyd did turn the fight down years
ago because of blood testing. manny pacquiao has a record
where he took almost ridiculously dangerous opponents
on and i have yet to hear he ever ducked anyone. to me
indisputable and as yourself i see myself as a fan of both.
i am definitely not a floyd hater. but i'm no idiot either.

Bruh you spent 2 paragraphs talking about Floyd & his 0 & you verbally tongued Manny's asshole.

Floyd & Manny have fought many of the same cats at 147 & yet somehow you got the impression one guy is fighting all comers & the other is avoiding guys. That suggests to me you got some bias or you are dumb if you aren't seeing a pattern of Floyd not fight TR guys til they aren't with TR. One of the other. Maybe a bit of both idk. I understand Floyd isn't the best fighter on the planet you & many others would prefer having. Fair enough there. But implying Floyd is the most chickensh!t yet highly skilled top fighter on the planet just makes you & your ilk look retarded.

And trust me I agree Manny ain't got sh!t with this fight happening or not happening. Manny fights the guy across from him. They could throw Manny in against the midnight janitor at Walmart or against Satan & Manny would fight either of them for $250,000 & a shiny fast car. He doesn't have that concern or intelligence, however you wanna look at it, to concern himself with that sorta stuff it would appear. I don't think you can fault Floyd FOR caring about his boxing career trajectory & prizefight purses & at this point all the factors he concerns himself with to try to get the most $$$ possible for fighting (which I can never fault any fighter from doing cuz there the cat who's getting hit in the head for years & will be feeling the effects from getting hit in the head for all those years at some point later in life possibly).

Manny's team on the other hand is one of the most high level lying successful promotional outfits in the sport today. People wanna act like Bob is just some regular old man. This guy is a master at his craft. He's been doing it forever. Since Ali & them. He knows his sh!t & judging by recent info the press just decides to ignore what Bob & Michael were saying yesterday & believe them today.

if only both teams read this

95gerog wrote:if only both teams read this

I'd like to see Mayweather reading it.

Floyd's 0 must be fixed to last forever. A real fight with Manny Pacquiao would end the reality show fraud.

Floyd's ego could not handle a KO loss to Pacquiao and Arum. It will never happen.

Floyd and Haymon will fix that 0 all the way to 75-0 if they could.

chatting with a mate today who said he would hate to see floyd lose to pac but rather lose to khan. i can't disagree more, i like floyd and think he will win, but it would be epic in my house if pac won. Pac is the bravest fighter out there for my money. watching him take on margarito was massively nerve racking, they were weights apart.

Well I gotta give the guy credit, he sure started the BS letter off well enough but the minute it turned into a fingerpointing contest he lost my attention.

Man or woman, whatever you call yourself, you should've outright stated your bias against Floyd from the beginning then no one would bother to read the rest of your trash. It's like Reggie stated they've both fought basically the same guys. If you are going to claim Floyd ducked whoever (then you'd have to do the same on Pacquiao's side as well).

I could nitpick and say that back when Shane KO'd Margarito and wanted to fight Manny that Freddie said the only way that fight would happen is if Mosley dropped to 142, surprisingly they thought he wouldn't go there but when Shane agreed Freddie said "it was too dangerous of a fight for Manny".

It wasn't until after Mayweather trashed Mosley and then Mora convincingly made Shane looked bad that Manny and Freddie said "ok, he isn't that dangerous" and then decided to fight him.

I could nitpick and say that back when Hatton was undefeated that you heard no mention of Manny wanting to fight him and then after Floyd handily trashed him and then Lazcano made him look bad/on Queer Street that then and only then did they make the fight with Manny.

See you Manny Pacquiao fans are so quick to point the finger while looking the other way when it comes to Pacquiao and I could go on and on with catchweights and whatnot but still none of this has any bearing on what should be happening now or what should've happened in 2010 back when Manny DUCKED out of the fight with Floyd because he was "afraid of needles and having blood drawn weakens him".

Oh how so conveniently you Pacquiao fans forget but so quick to call Floyd a DUCK when the evidence shows that Pacquiao has been the one ducking, rejecting 40 million dollars is DUCKING in my book, especially when that is the highest payday offered to any fighter at that time in the history of boxing.

Rejecting 40 million and 35% PPV is ducking in my book and now simply lying and saying "we've already signed the contract and we've already agreed to everything" without having signed a contract to it can actually be looked at as ducking also.

Of course you will avoid these facts as readily as Manny avoided taking the blood and urine testing back in 2010 but it is to be expected.

Next time you write an "Open Letter" to both of them, make sure you take out your BS personal biases.

KBB wrote:Something baout defending Mayweather's honour against any perceived criticism

Saving readers a few paragraphs of brain damage

Ricky_ wrote:

KBB wrote:Something baout defending Mayweather's honour against any perceived criticism

Saving readers a few paragraphs of brain damage

Apparently you do not understand the difference between criticism and someone just talking plain BS. Constructive criticism is great but talking outta the side of your neck is just foolishness, apparently your support foolishness as to be expected of someone of a lesser mentality such as you are.

i love you semi trolls with your tough guy trash
talks; always so impressive. funniest thing is
when, after you have calmed down a little, you
actually agree, of course not admitting it.

keep it up, guys and invite your gang friends
over too. nothing more entertaining ...

man wrote:i love you semi trolls with your tough guy trash
talks; always so impressive. funniest thing is
when, after you have calmed down a little, you
actually agree, of course not admitting it.

keep it up, guys and invite your gang friends
over too. nothing more entertaining ...

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Bruh, put cats on ignore. It increases your enjoyment of Boxrec & allows you to not even see morons like these mfers nonsense. These mfers above are just trolls & offer no real value in discussing anything with unless you wanna improve your troll game. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't the same guy tbqh.

ReggieDiggs wrote:Bruh, put cats on ignore.

sounds like a terrific idea. why not do it
yourself?

man wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:Bruh, put cats on ignore.

sounds like a terrific idea. why not do it
yourself?

Are you saying you're a troll too?

I definitely find sh!t you say trollish at times, but you sometimes have points. So as long as you make some point I'll put up with some trollish sh!t. Its the cats who are 90% posting troll sh!t I got a problem with.

And if you're suggesting I'm a troll you are obviously just ignoring facts about certain subjects cuz you just wanna believe what you have decided you wanna believe cuz all the facts are out there about Bob being a problem in getting this fight signed right now. Definitely more so than any other three people with any play in this fight happening. You don't even gotta watch some biased guy against Bob, which the video I posted isn't, he's just a cat who does boxer skill breakdown videos not that mindless drivel some of these opinion-based Youtube boxing guys focus on cuz it makes them $$$ via views, to get that outlook. Just watch the sh!t Bob has said recently & the fact that Manny & his son in law are getting frustrated with him over this.

chill folks even manny and floyd are civil.

like many if not all of you, i have followed this situation for years now. i am completely neutral on the whole "whose to blame" part. i dont know, and i dont care. the fight needs to happen. this is coming from me, someone who is neither a fan nor hater of either Pac or Money. they both have earned their respect and stature in the sport as 2 TRUE hall of famers. but whatever the problem is ( like i said before, i dont know and i dont care). they just need to set aside the petty differences and details and just FIGHT LIKE THEY DID IN THE OLD DAYS. IT DOESNT MATTER WHO WINS OR LOSES, BOTH CAREERS WILL BE SLIGHTLY DIMINISHED BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER FOUGHT THE OTHER FOR WHATEVER REASON.
like i said, i am completely neutral, but there has been enough BS from all parties involved. just FIGHT ALREADY.

ReggieDiggs wrote:... if you're suggesting I'm a troll ...

i do, cause you are unable to debate without
provoking and cursing. i don't do that and i
do not debate people who have this compulsive
yet seemingly fashionable habit. so you better
go and bark at some other tree.

man wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:... if you're suggesting I'm a troll ...

i do, cause you are unable to debate without
provoking and cursing. i don't do that and i
do not debate people who have this compulsive
yet seemingly fashionable habit. so you better
go and bark at some other tree.

You are hilarious sometimes, unintentionally or intentionally idk.

If you find cursing offensive I apologize. Idk how cursing alone is a troll activity though. Personally I find words seldom offensive & usually find intent much more offensive even when said politely. I will try to refrain from cursing in your threads in the future.

Another day gone by and no announcement yet. What's the holdup?

ReggieDiggs wrote:

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Bruh, put cats on ignore. It increases your enjoyment of Boxrec & allows you to not even see morons like these mfers nonsense. These mfers above are just trolls & offer no real value in discussing anything with unless you wanna improve your troll game. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't the same guy tbqh.

This is the sign of a true coward who fears that anyone who disputes him is doing so incorrectly, in other words if you don't agree with Reggie then you are a Troll, that's about as lame as he is.

In his own mind he believes he's the only one with something fruitful or intelligent to say when all he does is spout jibberish, please keep me on your ignore list, I don't like to associate with cowards.

Scared of a few words, what kind of woman emotion are these?

KBB wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

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Bruh, put cats on ignore. It increases your enjoyment of Boxrec & allows you to not even see morons like these mfers nonsense. These mfers above are just trolls & offer no real value in discussing anything with unless you wanna improve your troll game. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't the same guy tbqh.

This is the sign of a true coward who fears that anyone who disputes him is doing so incorrectly, in other words if you don't agree with Reggie then you are a Troll, that's about as lame as he is.

In his own mind he believes he's the only one with something fruitful or intelligent to say when all he does is spout jibberish, please keep me on your ignore list, I don't like to associate with cowards.

Scared of a few words, what kind of woman emotion are these?

I thought both of you guys were Mayweather defenders. You guys should be on the same team. Being faithful in combating the bad things poster's say on this forum about Mayweather. Instead your divided what gives?

95gerog wrote:chill folks even manny and floyd are civil.

Agreed.

In fact, it looks more likely that some of the forum members on here will fight each other long before Pacquiao & Mayweather Jr ever do.

i thought everybody could agree that manny
would not duck anyone anywhere and that
floyd's request for more stringent drug tests
than usually required in boxing was the main
reason for the fight not happening a few years
back. apparently that isn't the case. people on
this forum do not agree on the factual truth of
these two statements. i for one do not know who
is holding up things at this point, but i am very
sure it ain't manny himself.

whatever. the intention of this thread was not
to start another of the swear matches between
whatever the two camps on this forum call each
other. its purpose was to express disgust
about the whole affair, which to my knowledge
is unprecedented in all of sports. one or two
people within this whole thing keep it from
happening. maybe it is one, whoever that might
be, maybe it is two, but i am sure it ain't more.
now these two gentlemen are a disgrace to the
sport. that's my statement. no matter their past
credentials.

Syntax Error wrote:

95gerog wrote:chill folks even manny and floyd are civil.

Agreed.

In fact, it looks more likely that some of the forum members on here will fight each other long before Pacquiao & Mayweather Jr ever do.

i think some members of the board incorporate
certain internet-debating skills within their
conversation here. i learned over the years that
the loud voices usually get things wrong cause
they overshoot all the time, following their temper
wherever it might take them. i find it too time
consuming to debate someone who does that.
i love even a heated discussion with someone of
different opinion, but i have this rule not debating
anyone who uses bully tactics. you spend have
of the time making them see that they actually
didn't mean what they said and i find that a really
useless way of spending my time.

someone who knows the rule of debate but has
a widely different opinion than me? bring him on
every day of the week, i will enjoy every minute
of the fight and will admit my defeat if he turns
out to be the better man.