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Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 12:39**

A new example: he executed buyout of Santa Cruz to avoid his fight with Rigo:
http://www.BS.com/de-la-hoya-o ... igo--87162?

Haymon wants his fighters only fight each other or weak opposition. That hurts boxing.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 13:29**

P.S. Some of fights which could happen if Haymon wasn't preventing them:

Wilder vs Fury
Kovalev vs Stevenson
Golovkin vs Quillin
Golovkin vs JCCJ
Pac vs Thurman or Khan
Lomachenko vs Mares
Rigo vs Santa Cruz

Feel free to add.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 13:57**

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12 ... settlement

"It's no way to do business. We were totally hamstrung," one of the sources said. "Every time there was a fight Oscar wanted to make the question was would Haymon's guy fight him? That's how you end up with Rod Salka [as the opponent for Garcia in one of 2014's most egregious mismatches] and the weak guys Leo Santa Cruz has fought. We couldn't make the fights we wanted to. What's the point of having fighters in the stable if they don't fight anyone?

"Oscar has been clear as a bell with what he wants to do. He wants to make the best fights possible for the fans. He has said it time and again and he means it. Oscar came to the conclusion that he couldn't make the fights he wanted to make by continuing to do business like this. There was so much drama surrounding everything. Everyone at Golden Boy had to operate in a box. Now everyone is free."

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 15:34**

ikorolev wrote:Haymon wants his fighters only fight each other or weak opposition. That hurts boxing.

How is that different than TR and GBP?

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 15:37**

Said this in the other thread about this topic ...

DLH only wants the best to fight the best?
Didn't DLH advise Canelo not to fight Trout or Lara? What would have been his plan?

DLH is full of poo and Rafeal is along for the ride. However, it's rumored that Haymon's league will be on ESPN too. Watch Rafeal change his tune just like Lampley.

The US media ...

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 15:44**

ikorolev wrote:P.S. Some of fights which could happen if Haymon wasn't preventing them:

Wilder vs Fury
Kovalev vs Stevenson
Golovkin vs Quillin
Golovkin vs JCCJ
Pac vs Thurman or Khan
Lomachenko vs Mares
Rigo vs Santa Cruz

Feel free to add.

I think its a lil early to suggest many of these fights are being prevented by Al or anyone. The Deontay vs Tyson fight isn't something anyone would have made til one of them won a title & even then it'd have been built up more by 99% of promoters & Deontay just won a title last month ffs.

It would appear that Leo has priced himself out of the fight with Guillermo with the $3,000,000 demand for the fight. Idk that Al made him say that.

I'd say its a lil early for Vasyl & Abner too. And when was GGG vs Julio Jr prevented? GGG isn't even in the same division & Julio hasn't even had any fight under Al yet from my understanding lol. There are definitely fights that are going to be harder or perhaps impossible to make, but I don't think its in anyway all landing at Al's feet & most if not all of this list in general is a stretch on those fights being a potential reality or Al being the problem.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 16:35**

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Haymon wants his fighters only fight each other or weak opposition. That hurts boxing.
How is that different than TR and GBP?

Now, when Haymon is not influencing GBP anymore, TR and GBP fighters are fighting each other and best fighters from other promoters. Examples: Kovalev vs Hopkins, upcoming Matthysse vs Provo, Arum trying to arrange JCCJ vs GGG, etc.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 17:42**

ikorolev wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Haymon wants his fighters only fight each other or weak opposition. That hurts boxing.
How is that different than TR and GBP?
Now, when Haymon is not influencing GBP anymore, TR and GBP fighters are fighting each other and best fighters from other promoters. Examples: Kovalev vs Hopkins, upcoming Matthysse vs Provo, Arum trying to arrange JCCJ vs GGG, etc.

GBP working with Arum.It is a mirage we have had one world class fight. Kovalev and Hopkins.
All promoters are the same.Only out for themselves.Not the fighters and not the fans.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 18:10**

Haymon might as well just call it "The Al Haymon Fake Boxing League" coming soon to Spike NBC ESPN and BET.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

It's not about the fans or boxers, it's about Al Haymon playing God.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 21:50**

Why is Al Haymon the only man in the sport trying to bring boxing back to prime-time network television, which is funded out of his own pocket, whilst GBP & Top Rank have their fights televised via a combination of cable and PPV?

Bring Back Prime Time Boxing to Network T.V. By the looks of it in todays world. The old way's of Network T.V are long gone. Cable T.V and Prime Time Network T.V are essentially the same thing. They are intertwined. You still have to pay for the signal to get broadcast no matter the channel. Or pay extra fee. Like Sport's Package on TWC.

It's not like the old days where you can use a antenna and turn on channel 2.

And whose to stop Haymon from doing a PPV on or with his new network. If it pans out. So there really is nothing new here. It's a misconception. Haymon is basically using another Network to broadcast fights.

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 22:45**

all of his fighters are over protected.....that's why they run to al haymon more money easy fights. I would too if I were fighting.

But from a boxing purest hell yea he's bad for the sport. Imagine if Don King were Floyd's promoter? We would have seen Floyd/Pac 5yrs

ago! I sure do miss Don King at the top! No way he would have let Floyd off the hook so easily like Haymon is doing Don King knowing that

100million plus is on the table for his fighter? Are you serious? Don King would have had Floyd's signature on that contract in 2-3days!!!

"Listen! You Better Go & Fight That Lil Asian Midget! Ain't No Lil Asian Midget Gone Sit Up & Run Us Out of Bizness! You Better Fight Him

or Your Lil Ass Will Be On The Shelf Understood??? Now Give Me My Money B@tch!!!!"

Posted: **07 Feb 2015, 23:20**

fergusg wrote:It's funny... I pose several challenging questions, but people refuse to concede to the fairly obvious answers, merely because the information they are being asked to relay (assuming honesty) doesn't concur with their gut instinct based stance!

you are going around from thread to thread posting that canned self-congratulatory non-sequitor.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 00:41**

fergusg wrote:What is Al Haymon doing that is so different to what we have previously seen many other promoters do in the history of the sport, which Lou Dibella describes as a “a dirty, rotten, filthy, corrupt business”?

• If Al Haymon was so bad, then how has he managed to accumulate a stable of at least 174 fighters?

• Why do so few of them leave him?

• How many fighters have expressed a desire to leave Al Haymon in comparison to Top Rank within the last few years?

• Why is Al Haymon the only man in the sport trying to bring boxing back to prime-time network television, which is funded out of his own pocket, whilst GBP & Top Rank have their fights televised via a combination of cable and PPV?

• If Al Haymon was really so devious, why did Leo Santa Cruz (the man named in the first post in this thread) name his baby boy after him?

I’m not suggesting for one second that Al’s an innocent angel, but there are many bigger scoundrels in the sport of boxing than he is!

As bnov already mentioned, most of boxers like when majority of their fights are against easy opposition. Haymon is using fee dumping to attract fighters and defeat his competitors. Boxers do financially benefit from that short term, but monopoly is never good.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 08:14**

ikorolev wrote:
fergusg wrote:What is Al Haymon doing that is so different to what we have previously seen many other promoters do in the history of the sport, which Lou Dibella describes as a “a dirty, rotten, filthy, corrupt business”?

• If Al Haymon was so bad, then how has he managed to accumulate a stable of at least 174 fighters?

• Why do so few of them leave him?

• How many fighters have expressed a desire to leave Al Haymon in comparison to Top Rank within the last few years?

• Why is Al Haymon the only man in the sport trying to bring boxing back to prime-time network television, which is funded out of his own pocket, whilst GBP & Top Rank have their fights televised via a combination of cable and PPV?

• If Al Haymon was really so devious, why did Leo Santa Cruz (the man named in the first post in this thread) name his baby boy after him?

I’m not suggesting for one second that Al’s an innocent angel, but there are many bigger scoundrels in the sport of boxing than he is!
As bnov already mentioned, most of boxers like when majority of their fights are against easy opposition. Haymon is using fee dumping to attract fighters and defeat his competitors. Boxers do financially benefit from that short term, but monopoly is never good.

That is where I stopped reading.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 12:41**

fergusg wrote:
ikorolev wrote: As bnov already mentioned, most of boxers like when majority of their fights are against easy opposition. Haymon is using fee dumping to attract fighters and defeat his competitors. Boxers do financially benefit from that short term, but monopoly is never good.
At this point in time, I don’t know whether I agree or disagree with you, because I’m not sure if I truly understand your post… and that’s not a criticism, by the way. It would be good if you could clarify your stance by addressing each and every single one of my points in my previous post.

What I don’t understand is this…

• Al Haymon protects his fighters, maximises their paydays, takes a small cut and orchestrates situations whereby they can become world champions. What’s he doing that is so different to other managers/promoters?

He OVER-protects his fighters.

• 2014 was a period of transition, because it was abundantly clear that Haymon was protecting his stable of fighters until his NBC contract came into fruition. That’s why Showtime struggled to televise big fights last year. However, the PBC contests that have recently been announced are extremely competitive and fight fans won’t have to pay for the privilege to watch them. Is that such a bad thing?

He had to win NBC, but he will likely get back to crappy fights.

• What is fee dumping?

Charging lower in order to defeat competitors and monopolize the market.

• The global and meteoric rise of the UFC brand, which is pretty much an MMA monopoly, should inspire the sport of boxing to address all of its long-established issues. For sure MMA fighters are receiving small paydays, but PBC pugilists are being handsomely rewarded for their efforts (i.e. Robert Guerrero is receiving $2.5m to face Keith Thurman).

Comparing Haymon to UFC is not apples to apples.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 13:19**

"Fee dumping" means charging his clients lower fees than his competitors.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 13:19**

People keep saying that Al puts his fighters in easy (or he did). They act like its a one way street. If I'm the promoter & Al presents me with a fight with Danny Garcia vs the homeless down the street from my house I'm just going to say "nah I'll pass on that one Al haha".

Am I missing something or don't the promoters ultimately take most of the blame for okaying these "easy" fights?

I mean Al's job as the advisor & basically a manager is to get his client the best money for the least risk or to make sure his fighter gets the proper money for any level of risk.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 13:33**

I suspect that fee dumping and fat checks to fighters will be relatively short term. When Haymon has enough power to dictate his terms, that will get back to "normal".

My main grudge though is his over-protection. This is where fighters and fans have different interests.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 13:35**

No one has yet to answer the question that ferg and I have been asking ... how is Haymon's bullshit different than anyone else's?

Well one answer is Haymon's BS will be on free TV ...

But whatever, many of you continue to show your bias and how stupid you are. TR and GBP throw you a couple of inter-promotional fights and you are so willing to forget all their years of bullshit. But, Haymon provides pay cable fights on free TV and all some of you are mentioning is the past.

The media doesn't like anyone who doesn't want attention, because it hurts their ability to distract you with unimportant stories. They spew out Haymon hate and you guys eat it up ... mostly because you're quite stupid.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 14:01**

Haymon is WAY worse than other promoters. Just look at Wilder's career. There is nothing even coming close to that. Garcia vs Salka will forever be an example of the most horrible matching.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 15:26**

fergusg wrote:Al Haymon doesn’t simply attract fighters due to the fact that he takes a smaller cut than the likes of Top Rank

how many time do you need to be told al haymon is a manager and not a promoter?
what haymon takes from his fighters needs to be compared to what other managers take,
and promoters are going to make what they make regardless of what haymon makes.
what haymon as a manager is promising now is that he can EARN his fighters more money
by not signing multi-fight contracts with promoters, but just having warriors, lou dibella,
and goosen stage events, and keep a cut, that his fighters can appear on said cards and
hopefully earn tv revenues and maybe sponsor money. it is yet to be seen if the promoters
are going to cooperate, as haymon is a bridge burner, or whether the business model will
support all those boxers he signed. haymon could go bankrupt and lose a lot of people money
and leave a lot of boxers high and dry or he could be successful. depends on ratings, mostly.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 15:42**

ikorolev wrote:Haymon is WAY worse than other promoters.

Al isn't a promoter so no clue why you are comparing him to "other promoters".

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 19:22**

Lord have mercy.

You would swear that Haymon was the freaking anti-christ the way some of you are
carrying on.

He is no worse than Arum,Oscar or King.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 21:21**

ReggieDiggs wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Haymon is WAY worse than other promoters.
Al isn't a promoter so no clue why you are comparing him to "other promoters".

Haymon dictates who fights who to promoters he works with, so comparing him to promoters as a person who matches fighters is fair.

Posted: **08 Feb 2015, 21:23**

tiny_acres wrote:Lord have mercy.
You would swear that Haymon was the freaking anti-christ the way some of you are
carrying on.
He is no worse than Arum,Oscar or King.

That's your opinion. I will have to repeat:

Just look at Wilder's career. There is nothing even coming close to that. Garcia vs Salka will forever be an example of the most horrible matching.

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