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You missed it, the fight already happened, last Saturday.

I'll give you highlights.
RBR: Floyd comes in flicking jabs.. BOOM ... Double KO.

Sometimes no news is good news... Pacquiao and Arum are being very quiet all of a sudden... I think this means we could see it get announced this weekend!!!

We're a lot closer to getting this fight sealed and dealed than we were in 2009 (or whenever it was). I would be very surprised if the fight didn't go ahead now!

I don t remember who but one on the forum was saying no way a fight of this magnitude won t bave a 3 month + promotion tour. I think the fight is about to be announce and they could annou e it a week befor Cinco de Mayo it will sell. you know why?? It s been a 6 years promotion tour. They almost lose it but they have been able to bring it back and now they re gonna fight

Pac & May must be doing a photo shoot of themselves buying each other Valentine's Day cards!

I think that even the casual observers will either buy this fight or find a buddy who's watching it. This is THE fight to bring boxing back. You talk about Al Haymon's deal with NBC and I think that this fight is paramount to Haymon's success. Haymon needs to show NBC a return on this time investment and let's face it, though the first couple cards look to be pretty good, you would have to be a pretty knowledgable boxing fan to know that. Manny and Floyd will put boxing back on the map and you won't have to dig very hard into ESPN.com to find it like you do now.

This is the only reason why i feel that the fight will happen but it's getting really late. HBO and SHO will not have a lot of time to put together their 24/7 specials on their fighters.

fergusg wrote:A quick question for you guys…

Assuming that the majority of the purchasers of the HBO/Showtime PPV events are merely casual boxing observers; do you think that they’ll need to be persuaded to part with their hard-earned cash in order to watch the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight?

In simple terms, I guess I’m asking if the general public, who only have a passing interest in boxing, would need to be persuaded to watch the Mayweather-Pacquiao contest. Does the fight need a press tour?

Of course, hard-core fight fans are desperately eager to see Manny and Floyd share the ring, but does the average Joe Public really share the same enthusiasm?

If we assume that two months are required for training preparation, with the fight date still being the 2nd May, there doesn’t appear to be enough time to market the fight.

This is the type of fight that will sell itself, it doesn't require 3 months to promote this fight as it has been being promoted for the last 6 years by Arum along and the casual fans will be the ones who will buy the PPV even if it will cost $100.

fergusg wrote:I decided to create another thread about these two guys, since no one has created one for at least a few hours.

KBB wrote:

fergusg wrote:A quick question for you guys…

Assuming that the majority of the purchasers of the HBO/Showtime PPV events are merely casual boxing observers; do you think that they’ll need to be persuaded to part with their hard-earned cash in order to watch the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight?

In simple terms, I guess I’m asking if the general public, who only have a passing interest in boxing, would need to be persuaded to watch the Mayweather-Pacquiao contest. Does the fight need a press tour?

Of course, hard-core fight fans are desperately eager to see Manny and Floyd share the ring, but does the average Joe Public really share the same enthusiasm?

If we assume that two months are required for training preparation, with the fight date still being the 2nd May, there doesn’t appear to be enough time to market the fight.

This is the type of fight that will sell itself, it doesn't require 3 months to promote this fight as it has been being promoted for the last 6 years by Arum along and the casual fans will be the ones who will buy the PPV even if it will cost $100.

Totally agree with this. They could fight tomorrow with no promotion at all and it would still become the the top grossing fight ever.

It's kind of depressing that a fight that should have happened 6 years ago, is now likely to be made by 2 guys undoubtedly past their prime and it will still, without question, be the biggest spectacle in boxing history.

If it is a borefest or dodgy decision, i think I might just cry

Floyd knows he can't outbox Pacquiao, that's why he ducked this fight for six years and it's taken behind closed doors threats and ultimatums to force him to do the fight.

Pacquiao is something he's never seen before, the best fighter by far his eyes have ever seen. Floyd's gonna see punches and combos from angles and places he's never dealt with before. Floyd will be destroyed once and for all. "The humble shall be exalted and the exalted shall be humbled."

Deep down Floyd knows Pac is his destruction.

fergusg wrote:

davie wrote:It's kind of depressing that a fight that should have happened 6 years ago, is now likely to be made by 2 guys undoubtedly past their prime and it will still, without question, be the biggest spectacle in boxing history.

If it is a borefest or dodgy decision, i think I might just cry

I agree...

There’s no way in hell that this fight lives up to all the frenzied hype. The best we can hope for is a moderately entertaining bout, where the build-up is more exciting than the contest itself.

There isn’t going to be a knockout and, in my mind, there can only be two possible outcomes: Mayweather outboxes Pacquiao and dominates on the scorecards; or Manny overcrowds and outworks Floyd, by keeping him on the ropes en route to a close and controversial decision.

I'm also in agreement.

I predict that the bout, if it was to come to pass now, would be wholly unremarkable.

I might be wrong, because, sometimes, past their prime fighters can combine to put on decent contests like Ali -v- Frazier 3, or Leonard -v- Hearns 2 for example, but I don't get the feeling that this would happen with these two, primarily because it will be their first contest.

It will be a massive event (if it happens), but the fight won't match the hype.

There has to be a good reason why, here we are 13 DAYS past Manny's "deadline" and it's quiet from Manny's side. Almost two weeks after his deadline, Manny must feel comfortable that he's been assured well enough that the fight is happening. That's my feeling.

Honestly, i think that the buildup for this fight will be far better than the fight. Floyd doesn't fight in exciting fights. This will be like all of Floyd's snorfest fights. Neither fight will be hurt or knocked down. When was the last time Floyd knocked anyone down?

fergusg wrote:The deadline never existed. It was merely a ruse to garner more media attention.

The precise details of the contract negotiations are supposed to be conducted under a gagging order.

I always find it amusing when a "B" side opponent tries to dictate a deadline to an "A" side opponent, it's as if that "B" sider is saying "hey, I don't want whatever amount of money you are offering, I can go fight this guy for less."

The good thing about this is that apparently they're both still in negotiations and neither fighter is bad mouthing the other (can't say that about either fighter's fans) but they have both been cordial with one another and very respectful of one another not to even whisper a word in the press since they met center court at that game.

I wish I could say the same about Manny's fans, they're still talking about ducking, signing contracts and deadlines.

Floyd fans = clapping seals chanting "TBE! TBE! TBE!"

Kevin Iole's words, not mine.

Typical Floyd fan: Beating his chest that Floyd is the A side, then doesnt expect Floyd take responsibility for making the fight happen.

Talk about having your cake and eating it.

Rodian wrote:Typical Floyd fan: Beating his chest that Floyd is the A side, then doesnt expect Floyd take responsibility for making the fight happen.

Talk about having your cake and eating it.

Typical Dumb Ass: Thinks all Floyd has to do is snap his fingers and the fight is done, as if Manny just signs the dotted line and that's it.

Talking about being stupid and showing it too.

I've given up on this fight happening May 2nd.It can not happen.
I will be surprised if it happens in September either.
Sick of waiting.I doubt I watch either fighters next fight.They have wasted everyone's time.
Got all of our hopes up and pulled the rug out from under us again.
They should both retire.Nothing left except each other.

tiny_acres wrote:I've given up on this fight happening May 2nd.It can not happen.
I will be surprised if it happens in September either.
Sick of waiting.I doubt I watch either fighters next fight.They have wasted everyone's time.
Got all of our hopes up and pulled the rug out from under us again.
They should both retire.Nothing left except each other.

Nothing has been announced saying that these fight negotiations have failed yet, I think we are jumping to conclusions just because nothing has been announced and we do not know the status of what is transpiring in their talks.

Personally, I take it as a good sign that things are moving along especially since Manny and Arum haven't been doing their usual BS of telling their unsuspecting public/Pacquiao fans that they gave Floyd a contract or that they've set a deadline or some other lies that they have been routinely telling Manny's fans for years (that somehow all of them believe and chant as a matter of fact).

I wouldn't rule out a fight in September just yet, until either man has announced officially that they are fighting someone other than one another then we should all just remain hopeful even if we can't agree with one another.

Floyd and Manny have paid their dues.....they do not need to fight each other.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Floyd and Manny have paid their dues.....they do not need to fight each other.

I do agree that they are both 1st ballot hof.And I consider both atg's.
But this is the career defining moment for both guys.
It will determine who was the best of the generation and will increase their
status in the atg p4p category.
They do need each other

tiny_acres wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Floyd and Manny have paid their dues.....they do not need to fight each other.

I do agree that they are both 1st ballot hof.And I consider both atg's.
But this is the career defining moment for both guys.
It will determine who was the best of the generation and will increase their
status in the atg p4p category.
They do need each other

I don't think it determines who is the best of this generation but it will determine who is the best between the two, most people already agree that Floyd is the best of this generation.

Manny needs Floyd, Mayweather doesn't need Pacquiao though he could stand to benefit greatly from having his name on his resume.

KBB wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Floyd and Manny have paid their dues.....they do not need to fight each other.

I do agree that they are both 1st ballot hof.And I consider both atg's.
But this is the career defining moment for both guys.
It will determine who was the best of the generation and will increase their
status in the atg p4p category.
They do need each other

I don't think it determines who is the best of this generation but it will determine who is the best between the two, most people already agree that Floyd is the best of this generation.

Manny needs Floyd, Mayweather doesn't need Pacquiao though he could stand to benefit greatly from having his name on his resume.

Wasn't Pac voted the fighter of the decade for 2000-2010?
It is not as cut and dry as you think.People are still arguing over who is/was better.
It is the career defining fight for both though nearly 7 years too late.

KBB wrote: I don't think it determines who is the best of this generation but it will determine who is the best between the two, most people already agree that Floyd is the best of this generation.

Manny needs Floyd, Mayweather doesn't need Pacquiao though he could stand to benefit greatly from having his name on his resume.

On the contrary, Pacquiao holds a world record 8 titles in 8 weight classes and has great wins such as Barrera, Morales, 135 arquez, 147 Cotto, Margarito...

Floyd hasn't got a career defining win against a prime ATG in his premium weight class, which puts him some way behind Pacman in the ATG rankings

KBB wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote: I do agree that they are both 1st ballot hof.And I consider both atg's.
But this is the career defining moment for both guys.
It will determine who was the best of the generation and will increase their
status in the atg p4p category.
They do need each other

I don't think it determines who is the best of this generation but it will determine who is the best between the two, most people already agree that Floyd is the best of this generation.

Sound like double standards to me. If Floyd loses, what would make him better than Manny ?

ikorolev wrote:Sound like double standards to me. If Floyd loses, what would make him better than Manny ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... fight.html

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Bo ... drum-74621

http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/12/3/73 ... generation

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/10/may ... st-timing/