BoxRec

Manny:
Power
Footwork
Angles
SP
KI
Heart


Floyd:
Height
Reach
Speed??
Ring IQ
Chin
Infighting

The only thing I really question is the "infighting" because I have never really seen Manny have to fight on the inside but that doesn't mean I'm saying he isn't capable of doing so, I've just never seen it.

Has anyone seen him do so and if so, is he really good at it.

The speed thing I question on Floyd's supposed advantage is because a common opponent (SSM www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uARHgg6RrE ) said Floyd is faster than Manny. (you can debate that if you want)

Do you see any other advantages either man has over the other in the ring?

Conditioning/endurancc goes to Mayweather. As does adaptability to change up and adjust during a fight.

Balance goes to Mayweather. He is almost never off balance.

I have to say footwork seems to be in Floyd favor to because of he always decide of where he s going to fight and his balance is amazing. Manny has a good moving footwork for the in&out and left/right, but he s bouncing more than using footwork. That s my opinion i may be wrong

Pacquiao has a great chin. As for Floyd i've seen him tagged hard by Corley and Mosley. He took Corley's shot really well and showed he has a great chin but Mosley had him in world of trouble hanging on for dear life. Against Pacquiao he'll be up against a fighter who has power at the same level but isn't going to be finished after 3 rounds. Mayweather will get tagged hard in this fight, how well he copes with Pacquiao's straight left's is an intriguing factor in the fight.

Ricky_ wrote:Pacquiao has a great chin. As for Floyd i've seen him tagged hard by Corley and Mosley. He took Corley's shot really well and showed he has a great chin but Mosley had him in world of trouble hanging on for dear life. Against Pacquiao he'll be up against a fighter who has power at the same level but isn't going to be finished after 3 rounds. Mayweather will get tagged hard in this fight, how well he copes with Pacquiao's straight left's is an intriguing factor in the fight.

Leaves out the fact that Floyd easily recovered and beat both of them easily and overlooks the dirtnap Manny took when the punch landed on him wasn't harder than what Shane landed on Mayweather.

Can Manny fight on the inside? Yes or No? If so, when has he had to do so?? (Ricky will readily avoid this question)

KBB wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Pacquiao has a great chin. As for Floyd i've seen him tagged hard by Corley and Mosley. He took Corley's shot really well and showed he has a great chin but Mosley had him in world of trouble hanging on for dear life. Against Pacquiao he'll be up against a fighter who has power at the same level but isn't going to be finished after 3 rounds. Mayweather will get tagged hard in this fight, how well he copes with Pacquiao's straight left's is an intriguing factor in the fight.

Leaves out the fact that Floyd easily recovered and beat both of them easily and overlooks the dirtnap Manny took when the punch landed on him wasn't harder than what Shane landed on Mayweather.

Can Manny fight on the inside? Yes or No? If so, when has he had to do so?? (Ricky will readily avoid this question)

What's the point in starting a thread when you can't participate in a reasonable discussion you pathetic pudendum?

Lol at Mosley hitting Floyd harder than Marquez hit Pacquiao. That is so absurd it's funny. There was an article after the fight were analysts studied the footage and estimated the force to have reached minor car-crash levels.

And neither Floyd or Manny fight on the inside, so it's irrelevant. It's a clear outside fight, as would be either man vs Khan.

Cloutov wrote:I have to say footwork seems to be in Floyd favor to because of he always decide of where he s going to fight and his balance is amazing. Manny has a good moving footwork for the in&out and left/right, but he s bouncing more than using footwork. That s my opinion i may be wrong

I'd put it as Manny having the better "footspeed" rather than footwork, and give Floyd the advantage in "balance".

I want to question both "chin" and "heart". I feel like the Marquez IV punch was more about the perfection of the punch (and Manny's openness to it) than to any questions about his chin. We've seen Floyd wobbled by punches that just bounce of Pac (speculation I know). I can't see a way to question either guy's heart (inside the ring at least).

Dennis wrote:Conditioning/endurancc goes to Mayweather. As does adaptability to change up and adjust during a fight.

I was going to say adaptability as well but I guess this comes under the umbrella term "ring IQ".

A couple more:
Floyd:
Defence
Strength? Floyd muscled Hatton around at least. We don't see much grappling from Manny.
Concentration
Punch accuracy

Manny:
Combination speed
Workrate
Experience? Maybe Manny has more experience, vs. Marquez and Bradley and Algieri and Cotto (after the first four rounds), of ring scenarios that you could call "Floyd-like" that Mayweather has the reverse (vs. who? Judah? Ortiz? Canelo?).

Ricky_ wrote:What's the point in starting a thread when you can't participate in a reasonable discussion you pathetic pudendum?

Lol at Mosley hitting Floyd harder than Marquez hit Pacquiao. That is so absurd it's funny. There was an article after the fight were analysts studied the footage and estimated the force to have reached minor car-crash levels.

And neither Floyd or Manny fight on the inside, so it's irrelevant. It's a clear outside fight, as would be either man vs Khan.

You're the one muddying the waters here with your name calling, I never said you were anything but only that you'd avoid answering a question I asked at the very beginning about Manny's ability to fight inside.

I see nothing wrong with questioning, we are here to debate not to call names like you are doing.

You say that neither man fights on the inside then obviously you never saw Floyd vs Jesus Chavez, vs Corley, vs Hatton; much of all of those fights were done on the inside (especially against Chavez).

I've never seen Manny fight on the inside and I questioned if he was able to do so, if you are not going to answer without being angry and name calling then why bother?

KBB wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:What's the point in starting a thread when you can't participate in a reasonable discussion you pathetic pudendum?

Lol at Mosley hitting Floyd harder than Marquez hit Pacquiao. That is so absurd it's funny. There was an article after the fight were analysts studied the footage and estimated the force to have reached minor car-crash levels.

And neither Floyd or Manny fight on the inside, so it's irrelevant. It's a clear outside fight, as would be either man vs Khan.

You're the one muddying the waters here with your name calling, I never said you were anything but only that you'd avoid answering a question I asked at the very beginning about Manny's ability to fight inside.

I see nothing wrong with questioning, we are here to debate not to call names like you are doing.

You say that neither man fights on the inside then obviously you never saw Floyd vs Jesus Chavez, vs Corley, vs Hatton; much of all of those fights were done on the inside (especially against Chavez).

I've never seen Manny fight on the inside and I questioned if he was able to do so, if you are not going to answer without being angry and name calling then why bother?

Floyd doesn't fight on the inside, it's not in his best interests. The fact you cited Hatton as an example of "Floyd fighting on the inside" shows how much you know about boxing; not much.

Ricky_ wrote:Floyd doesn't fight on the inside, it's not in his best interests. The fact you cited Hatton as an example of "Floyd fighting on the inside" shows how much you know about boxing; not much.

I pointed to numerous examples of Floyd fighting on the inside and you are in denial that he does, you also clearly avoided answering the question in regards to whether or not Manny fights on the inside but then you go on with a half-assed attempt at insulting my boxing acumen. It is clear that you are the one who don't know much about boxing because you obviously missed those fights I cited where it is abundantly clear that Floyd can box very well on the inside.

Can Manny box on the inside? If he can, then which fights did he show it??

KBB wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Floyd doesn't fight on the inside, it's not in his best interests. The fact you cited Hatton as an example of "Floyd fighting on the inside" shows how much you know about boxing; not much.

I pointed to numerous examples of Floyd fighting on the inside and you are in denial that he does, you also clearly avoided answering the question in regards to whether or not Manny fights on the inside but then you go on with a half-assed attempt at insulting my boxing acumen. It is clear that you are the one who don't know much about boxing because you obviously missed those fights I cited where it is abundantly clear that Floyd can box very well on the inside.

Can Manny box on the inside? If he can, then which fights did he show it??

I'm done with this witness

Ricky_ wrote:I'm done with this witness

So if you don't have any proof you simply hurl insults or DUCK altogether, brilliant!!

KBB wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:I'm done with this witness

So if you don't have any proof you simply hurl insults or DUCK altogether, brilliant!!

Well I'm not sure who has what advantage but I keep thinking Floyd almost always brings up the zero on his record when talking about his legacy
you know stuff like their aint no blue print on how to beat me this really concerns Floyd that zero on his record, then again with Manny he don't
give sh.. about his zero because its long gone this is where the advantage his I believe in Mannys favour.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Well I'm not sure who has what advantage but I keep thinking Floyd almost always brings up the zero on his record when talking about his legacy
you know stuff like their aint no blue print on how to beat me this really concerns Floyd that zero on his record, then again with Manny he don't
give sh.. about his zero because its long gone this is where the advantage his I believe in Mannys favour.

So basically you are saying Manny's loses give him favor? LOL

pac tripped and fell face forward hands down into a monster overhand right that would
have put any welter to sleep in the history of boxing. the thing is, manny had been dropped
earlier in the fight and of course dropped marquez and was really ripping into him leading
into the dramatic ending, and pac and marquez had both wobbled each other other times
before that, with marquez getting dropped a few times. pac looked also momentarily stiffened
a few rounds into the bradley fight and if i remember margarito landed a couple of decent
shots on pac and if you go back down through the lower weights pac has been caught with
clean shots and stung. i'm not sure if i chalk it up to chin as much as pac is wilder and more
aggressive and gets hit more than floyd with cleaner shots, but the jury is out with me on who
could take the bigger shot if one landed cleanly. i don't think there is much of a difference.
obviously not getting hit with a clean shot is much more important and that i would give to floyd.

if i could just add that floyd has really weak hands.

sucracristo wrote:pac tripped and fell face forward hands down into a monster overhand right that would
have put any welter to sleep in the history of boxing. the thing is, manny had been dropped
earlier in the fight and of course dropped marquez and was really ripping into him leading
into the dramatic ending, and pac and marquez had both wobbled each other other times
before that, with marquez getting dropped a few times. pac looked also momentarily stiffened
a few rounds into the bradley fight and if i remember margarito landed a couple of decent
shots on pac and if you go back down through the lower weights pac has been caught with
clean shots and stung. i'm not sure if i chalk it up to chin as much as pac is wilder and more
aggressive and gets hit more than floyd with cleaner shots, but the jury is out with me on who
could take the bigger shot if one landed cleanly. i don't think there is much of a difference.
obviously not getting hit with a clean shot is much more important and that i would give to floyd.

if i could just add that floyd has really weak hands.

As I recall SSM landed not only one shot but two very hard shots on Floyd, those same shots KO'd Margarito (who has an iron chin), Maidana also landed a huge bomb on Floyd in their 2nd fight I think at the end of the 4th that has KO'd many of his opponents but it didn't knock Floyd down or out, Cotto landed bombs on him, Corley landed (though he isn't a big puncher), Corrales landed on him and Castillo as well.

So for people to say that there is a question mark by Mayweather's chin then I say that they haven't seen that he has been hit very hard on several occasions by different punchers who are known for KO'ing their opponents and by lesser fighters but nevertheless he has had clean, hard shots landed on him.

Yes I agree, Floyd has some brittle hands and that should be one of his main detriments.

KBB wrote:

sucracristo wrote:pac tripped and fell face forward hands down into a monster overhand right that would
have put any welter to sleep in the history of boxing. the thing is, manny had been dropped
earlier in the fight and of course dropped marquez and was really ripping into him leading
into the dramatic ending, and pac and marquez had both wobbled each other other times
before that, with marquez getting dropped a few times. pac looked also momentarily stiffened
a few rounds into the bradley fight and if i remember margarito landed a couple of decent
shots on pac and if you go back down through the lower weights pac has been caught with
clean shots and stung. i'm not sure if i chalk it up to chin as much as pac is wilder and more
aggressive and gets hit more than floyd with cleaner shots, but the jury is out with me on who
could take the bigger shot if one landed cleanly. i don't think there is much of a difference.
obviously not getting hit with a clean shot is much more important and that i would give to floyd.

if i could just add that floyd has really weak hands.

As I recall SSM landed not only one shot but two very hard shots on Floyd, those same shots KO'd Margarito (who has an iron chin), Maidana also landed a huge bomb on Floyd in their 2nd fight I think at the end of the 4th that has KO'd many of his opponents but it didn't knock Floyd down or out, Cotto landed bombs on him, Corley landed (though he isn't a big puncher), Corrales landed on him and Castillo as well.

So for people to say that there is a question mark by Mayweather's chin then I say that they haven't seen that he has been hit very hard on several occasions by different punchers who are known for KO'ing their opponents and by lesser fighters but nevertheless he has had clean, hard shots landed on him.

Yes I agree, Floyd has some brittle hands and that should be one of his main detriments.

Mosley hit Margarito with like 300 shots before he hurt him and even then, he hit him with like 5+ unanswered shots to stop him.

To put things into perspective, prime Oscar wasn't fazed by Mosley's power at all and Mosley didn't hurt Cotto as much as he did Floyd.

IKSRTFO wrote:Mosley hit Margarito with like 300 shots before he hurt him and even then, he hit him with like 5+ unanswered shots to stop him.

To put things into perspective, prime Oscar wasn't fazed by Mosley's power at all and Mosley didn't hurt Cotto as much as he did Floyd.

I don't recall him landing cleanly on Oscar or Cotto with the same type of force that he landed on Floyd and yes Mosley has always been more of a cumulative puncher and not necessarily a one punch KO artist so I wouldn't expect him to do everyone in with one blow.

Oscar is a tough dude, underrated chin and ability to take shots and he has taken shots from the best of them and hadn't went down or out until much later in his career when he was about done anyway so including him doesn't mean much in comparison because he's face much bigger punchers and fighters too.

KBB wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Mosley hit Margarito with like 300 shots before he hurt him and even then, he hit him with like 5+ unanswered shots to stop him.

To put things into perspective, prime Oscar wasn't fazed by Mosley's power at all and Mosley didn't hurt Cotto as much as he did Floyd.

I don't recall him landing cleanly on Oscar or Cotto with the same type of force that he landed on Floyd and yes Mosley has always been more of a cumulative puncher and not necessarily a one punch KO artist so I wouldn't expect him to do everyone in with one blow.

Oscar is a tough dude, underrated chin and ability to take shots and he has taken shots from the best of them and hadn't went down or out until much later in his career when he was about done anyway so including him doesn't mean much in comparison because he's face much bigger punchers and fighters too.

Either he hit Cotto with those shots or prime Cotto's defense was better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biBrHNSj9KQ

0:36, 0:45, 1:01, 3:26

="IKSRTFO"]Either he hit Cotto with those shots or prime Cotto's defense was better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biBrHNSj9KQ 0:36, 0:45, 1:01, 3:26

I never said that he didn't hit him, I just said I don't recall it because it was so long ago but I can see that he never really landed square on the chin like he did vs Floyd with those shots he hit Miguel with they were mostly on the side of the head with Cotto turning away from them. He caught Mayweather about as flush as anyone can get caught.

I wouldn't go that far in stating Cotto's defense was better than Floyd's, compare the two of those fights and see who got hit less.

KBB wrote:

="IKSRTFO"]Either he hit Cotto with those shots or prime Cotto's defense was better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biBrHNSj9KQ 0:36, 0:45, 1:01, 3:26

I never said that he didn't hit him, I just said I don't recall it because it was so long ago but I can see that he never really landed square on the chin like he did vs Floyd with those shots he hit Miguel with they were mostly on the side of the head with Cotto turning away from them. He caught Mayweather about as flush as anyone can get caught.

I wouldn't go that far in stating Cotto's defense was better than Floyd's, compare the two of those fights and see who got hit less.

Wasn't the second shot Mosley hit Floyd with and buckled his knees on the side of the head? I thought so.

IKSRTFO wrote:Wasn't the second shot Mosley hit Floyd with and buckled his knees on the side of the head? I thought so.

Yes, the second one was but then again, he was already buzzing off of the first one. What's your point??

KBB wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Wasn't the second shot Mosley hit Floyd with and buckled his knees on the side of the head? I thought so.

Yes, the second one was but then again, he was already buzzing off of the first one. What's your point??

Mosley couldn't stop Cotto......Pacquiao did.