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Just curious on thoughts with this fight. I really, really like this match-up. I think it will tell a lot about both guys in this fight. Interesting clash of styles. I am really torn picking between the more experienced guy Ghost vs the boxer/puncher Thurman. There must be a reason why Khan avoided these guys? I think it is a closer, maybe more exciting fight than Floyd vs Manny...of course, I could be wrong.

When Guerrero beat Berto I was really taken aback at the way he went about it, it was sloppy although effective but it lacked any kind of polish.
Thurman is on a roll right now and is a good fighter, a younger Guerrero and this would probably be a lot closer a fight.
That said with Guerrero's tough reputation it's hard to count him out, Thurman is well equipped and should have enough in him to get by it just depends how he does it.

I expect Thurman to win but the odds here are too wide. -700. Guerrero is a better fighter than that. He is definitely the best guy Thurman has faced, and it's not close. Guerrero comes to fight.

Thurman gets the stoppage between 5-7

Thurman is ruthless and very good fighter dominant for me... tbh think Thurman will be pretty dominant in years to come

I think Guerrero makes the mistake of thinking he can do to Thurman what he did to Kamegai and Berto.

If he trades with Keith, this will end very quickly. He needs to box.

And even that may not work as Thurman is more skilled than many give him credit for being.

Thurman in 8 or 9.

I love this match-up. Thurman is the better student. But, Guerrero is tough. I believe he will be the bigger guy as well. Should be interesting to see how Guerrero stands up against the power of Thurman. However, the pressure of Guerrero may pose some issues to Thurman. TBH, I believe Chaves was a tougher opponent than Guerrero will be.

Impractical Poster wrote:I love this match-up. Thurman is the better student. But, Guerrero is tough. I believe he will be the bigger guy as well. Should be interesting to see how Guerrero stands up against the power of Thurman. However, the pressure of Guerrero may pose some issues to Thurman. TBH, I believe Chaves was a tougher opponent than Guerrero will be.

That pressure is what will get him put to sleep, I'm sure that the Ghost's beard is no better than Soto-Karass' and we saw how he was applying pressure before running into something that made him go night-night.

I think RG may be even easier to hit than SK or just as easy, either way I see a stoppage if RG is going use his face first defense in this fight.

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I love this match-up. Thurman is the better student. But, Guerrero is tough. I believe he will be the bigger guy as well. Should be interesting to see how Guerrero stands up against the power of Thurman. However, the pressure of Guerrero may pose some issues to Thurman. TBH, I believe Chaves was a tougher opponent than Guerrero will be.

That pressure is what will get him put to sleep, I'm sure that the Ghost's beard is no better than Soto-Karass' and we saw how he was applying pressure before running into something that made him go night-night.

I think RG may be even easier to hit than SK or just as easy, either way I see a stoppage if RG is going use his face first defense in this fight.

I'm not sure how you can say Ghost's chin is no better than Soto-Karass's, when Soto Karass has been KO'd 3 times and Guerrero has never been KO'd? I think it is safe to say that Guerrero's chin is at least as good as Thurman's last opponent, that Thurman couldn't stop, and he was 40 yrs old.

Badhusker wrote:I'm not sure how you can say Ghost's chin is no better than Soto-Karass's, when Soto Karass has been KO'd 3 times and Guerrero has never been KO'd? I think it is safe to say that Guerrero's chin is at least as good as Thurman's last opponent, that Thurman couldn't stop, and he was 40 yrs old.

The reason I can say that is, what kind of fighters has Ghost faced? How big of a puncher were those guys? Soto -Karass has faced a who's who in this sport and for him to only have been KO'd 3 times says a lot about his ability to take big shots from far better punchers.

As far as you using the 40 year old Bundu then answer me this, who has KO'd Bundu? Not to mention that Bundu is a very unorthodoxed fighter with constant switching from SP to Ortho and back style not to mention dude obviously is tough as nails and has one hell of a beard to boot.

How many fighters at WW do you think would stop Bundu even though he's 40?

KBB wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I'm not sure how you can say Ghost's chin is no better than Soto-Karass's, when Soto Karass has been KO'd 3 times and Guerrero has never been KO'd? I think it is safe to say that Guerrero's chin is at least as good as Thurman's last opponent, that Thurman couldn't stop, and he was 40 yrs old.

The reason I can say that is, what kind of fighters has Ghost faced? How big of a puncher were those guys? Soto -Karass has faced a who's who in this sport and for him to only have been KO'd 3 times says a lot about his ability to take big shots from far better punchers.

As far as you using the 40 year old Bundu then answer me this, who has KO'd Bundu? Not to mention that Bundu is a very unorthodoxed fighter with constant switching from SP to Ortho and back style not to mention dude obviously is tough as nails and has one hell of a beard to boot.

How many fighters at WW do you think would stop Bundu even though he's 40?

When Bundu has some real opponents, that will give us a better estimate about his chin. If you look at his resume, it is pretty weak. Guerrero has faced some punchers, although not many. Berto had quite a few KO's, and a couple of guys at lighter weights.

The thing is, I don't question a guys chin until he gives me a reason to question it. At this point, it is safe to say Guerrero's chin is as good as Bundus. I may be proved wrong, who knows. Thurman was rocked by Soto-Karass, who isn't known as a huge puncher...but until he gets KO'd, I don't question his chin at all.

Guerrero is so slow and has such poor defensive skills that Thurman would have to be an absolute idiot to lose this fight. All he has to do is move his feet and throw the occasional punch and Guerrero would find it hard to land, much less win a round. I mean the guy has resorted to holding to land on opponents since he's so slow of hand and foot. Thurman should have no problems with Robert the Glacier Guerrero.

Thurman will win a decision.

Don't forget that Bundu was pushed hard by Lee Purdy, who was an incredibly limited fighter, albeit with a lot of heart. The victory against Frankie Gavin stood out a bit more, but he is one of the weakest punchers around.

I can't see anything other than a UD for Thurman.

People say Thurman hasn't proven himself, but what about Guerrero? His signature win was Berto who we found to be the biggest Haymon hypejob of all time.

hulkmaniac wrote:People say Thurman hasn't proven himself, but what about Guerrero? His signature win was Berto who we found to be the biggest Haymon hypejob of all time.

You have to give Guerrero a little credit for what he did coming up, jumping up 2 weight classes to welterweight, after a 15month layoff. He took on Aydin, who at the time was the #10 welterweight by Ring and was undefeated.

Berto was still the #3 guy with only one loss when Guerrero fought him. Berto had just stopped Zaveck, who was #4 by Ring at the time. Berto has a pretty decent resume with a nice string of wins up to the Ortiz bout. Its easy to fast forward into the future and discredit wins, but at the time were decent wins. Guerrero took some heavy shots from both guys, so I think his chin is fine.

I'm not picking Guerrero to beat Thurman, but do think it will be more of a fight than most here do. I think it is Thurman's to lose, but if he fights Guerrero's fight, he could.

Badhusker wrote:

hulkmaniac wrote:People say Thurman hasn't proven himself, but what about Guerrero? His signature win was Berto who we found to be the biggest Haymon hypejob of all time.

You have to give Guerrero a little credit for what he did coming up, jumping up 2 weight classes to welterweight, after a 15month layoff. He took on Aydin, who at the time was the #10 welterweight by Ring and was undefeated.

Berto was still the #3 guy with only one loss when Guerrero fought him. Berto had just stopped Zaveck, who was #4 by Ring at the time. Berto has a pretty decent resume with a nice string of wins up to the Ortiz bout. Its easy to fast forward into the future and discredit wins, but at the time were decent wins. Guerrero took some heavy shots from both guys, so I think his chin is fine.

I'm not picking Guerrero to beat Thurman, but do think it will be more of a fight than most here do. I think it is Thurman's to lose, but if he fights Guerrero's fight, he could.

Ayun couldn't beat Sotto Karras. That tells you how good Aydin really was. You talk about Bundu, but Aydin hadn't really fought anyone neither and when he did, he lost.

Berto has ALWAYS been overrated. he should've lost to Collazo

Badhusker wrote:When Bundu has some real opponents, that will give us a better estimate about his chin. If you look at his resume, it is pretty weak. Guerrero has faced some punchers, although not many. Berto had quite a few KO's, and a couple of guys at lighter weights.

The thing is, I don't question a guys chin until he gives me a reason to question it. At this point, it is safe to say Guerrero's chin is as good as Bundus. I may be proved wrong, who knows. Thurman was rocked by Soto-Karass, who isn't known as a huge puncher...but until he gets KO'd, I don't question his chin at all.

That's the reason we haven't had a chance to see Bundu, real opponents knows that he is a difficult match for them and they avoid him for not only that but for being 40 years old; who wants to say they lost to some that old??

fergusg wrote:

Badhusker wrote:There must be a reason why Khan avoided these guys?

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that Amir Khan avoided Guerrero & Thurman? :??

You could be right, but I’m intrigued, because I’ve never heard those accusations before.

I assume that Al Haymon orchestrates the movement of the chess pieces, so if he wants fights to be made – they get made. If he wants to prevent certain match-ups – those bouts don’t get made?

Khan seems to be destined to be Mayweather’s back-up plan. Thurman is a rising star that has never won a world title fight and has never faced a top ten ranked welterweight opponent. Guerrero is a veteran looking for big paydays and will be considered as a stepping stone type opponent for contenders.

Khan seems to be yearning for big money fights against the likes of Mayweather, Pacquiao and Brook (even though only two of those bouts are viable). What does Thurman and Guerrero bring to the table?

According to Guerrero, Khan turned down fight offers from them at least twice. The last time, before Khan fought Alexander, he publicly stated Guerrero was one of the final choices, which made Guerrero laugh because they had not even been contacted by anyone from team Khan - he was just using his name.

As far Thurman, reporters can't even get Khan to mention Thurman's name, much less talk about fighting him. Thurman has been asking for the fight for a couple of years now.

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Badhusker wrote:

hulkmaniac wrote:People say Thurman hasn't proven himself, but what about Guerrero? His signature win was Berto who we found to be the biggest Haymon hypejob of all time.

You have to give Guerrero a little credit for what he did coming up, jumping up 2 weight classes to welterweight, after a 15month layoff. He took on Aydin, who at the time was the #10 welterweight by Ring and was undefeated.

Berto was still the #3 guy with only one loss when Guerrero fought him. Berto had just stopped Zaveck, who was #4 by Ring at the time. Berto has a pretty decent resume with a nice string of wins up to the Ortiz bout. Its easy to fast forward into the future and discredit wins, but at the time were decent wins. Guerrero took some heavy shots from both guys, so I think his chin is fine.

I'm not picking Guerrero to beat Thurman, but do think it will be more of a fight than most here do. I think it is Thurman's to lose, but if he fights Guerrero's fight, he could.

Ayun couldn't beat Sotto Karras. That tells you how good Aydin really was. You talk about Bundu, but Aydin hadn't really fought anyone neither and when he did, he lost.

Berto has ALWAYS been overrated. he should've lost to Collazo

Like I said earlier, its easy to say now, but at the time they were ranked in the top ten at welter. Ortiz was too during that time. Things happen, things change, and rightfully so. No one had beaten Aydin up to that point. No one had beaten Zaveck either I believe. Berto had one loss, to Ortiz who was going to fight Floyd. Berto had some impressive wins, and was highly regarded at the time.

Its like saying Thurman, Porter, Brook, etc is good now, and top ranked welters. If they get KO'd a couple of times we can look back and say they were over-rated and over-hyped.

I love this fight. Particularly that us poor yinzers can watch for free

I love how even though the commentators were trying to make this fight sound closer than it actually was, Thurman was able to take the decision out of the judges hands with the brutal knock down.

The future has arrived.

Badhusker wrote:As far Thurman, reporters can't even get Khan to mention Thurman's name, much less talk about fighting him. Thurman has been asking for the fight for a couple of years now.

Would you please stop going on about Khan vs Thurman?

Khan doesn't want it, so what? It's hardly a fight that needs to be made.

Horse wrote:

Badhusker wrote:As far Thurman, reporters can't even get Khan to mention Thurman's name, much less talk about fighting him. Thurman has been asking for the fight for a couple of years now.

Would you please stop going on about Khan vs Thurman?

Khan doesn't want it, so what? It's hardly a fight that needs to be made.

I will stop going on about Khan vs Thurman, when Khan quits being delusional about being a level above guys that he avoids. You saying it is a fight that doesn't need to be made makes it clear to me that you don't want to see Khan get exposed by a boxer that is supposed to be a level below him. Khan's courage is no match for his ego. He will probably fight Ortiz or Broner next. Woohoo. Its no secret I can't stand the sob.