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fergusg wrote:Here’s an update on Floyd’s resume:
• Mayweather Jr. has been Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound number one ranked fighter since 2012
• Possesses an unblemished 47-0 professional record, with 26 KO’s
• Competed in 27 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won eleven world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings since 1998 (he had a hiatus in 1998 due to temporary retirement)
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 22 of his victories have come against 20 former world champions
• Floyd is looking to achieve a 15-fight winning streak against former world champions when he fights Manny Pacquiao on the 2nd May, a run which commenced a decade ago (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for 18½ years
• Money May won his first world title 16½ years ago whe defeated Genaro Hernandez (a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine currently rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather currently has the best plus/minus rating of any active fighter on the planet (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• Based purely on the statistical numbers of CompuBox (dated 2012), Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the “Best of All Time” (they measured the punch stats of legends such as: Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Muhammad Ali etc.)

IKSRTFO wrote:

fergusg wrote:Here’s an update on Floyd’s resume:
• Mayweather Jr. has been Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound number one ranked fighter since 2012
• Possesses an unblemished 47-0 professional record, with 26 KO’s
• Competed in 27 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won eleven world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings since 1998 (he had a hiatus in 1998 due to temporary retirement)
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 22 of his victories have come against 20 former world champions
• Floyd is looking to achieve a 15-fight winning streak against former world champions when he fights Manny Pacquiao on the 2nd May, a run which commenced a decade ago (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for 18½ years
• Money May won his first world title 16½ years ago whe defeated Genaro Hernandez (a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine currently rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather currently has the best plus/minus rating of any active fighter on the planet (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• Based purely on the statistical numbers of CompuBox (dated 2012), Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the “Best of All Time” (they measured the punch stats of legends such as: Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Muhammad Ali etc.)

Because he never fought the people they did. If he fought the same row Leonard, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler fought, his punch stats wouldn't be high...Guaranteed


I can have the highest punch stats ever fighting a bunch of 8 year olds.

Rodian wrote:Just goes to show you how misleading statistics truly are, the first thing they tell you in a college statistics course.

koolkc107 wrote:What is misleading is a lot of the assumptions about Floyd.

That he "runs" when truth is he comes forward or circles almost all the time.

That he can't punch when truth is most of his opponents quit halfway thru since no one wants to be the guy that gets stopped by the pillow-fisted fighter.

That he is a great defensive fighter because of the shoulder roll when the truth is the shoulder roll is one of several tools in his defensive arsenal.

That his chin is suspect or untested when the truth is he has been hit flush and more than once by some of the biggest punchers in his weight class and above it.

And there is more...

IKSRTFO wrote:

fergusg wrote:Here’s an update on Floyd’s resume:
• Mayweather Jr. has been Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound number one ranked fighter since 2012
• Possesses an unblemished 47-0 professional record, with 26 KO’s
• Competed in 27 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won eleven world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings since 1998 (he had a hiatus in 1998 due to temporary retirement)
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 22 of his victories have come against 20 former world champions
• Floyd is looking to achieve a 15-fight winning streak against former world champions when he fights Manny Pacquiao on the 2nd May, a run which commenced a decade ago (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for 18½ years
• Money May won his first world title 16½ years ago whe defeated Genaro Hernandez (a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine currently rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather currently has the best plus/minus rating of any active fighter on the planet (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• Based purely on the statistical numbers of CompuBox (dated 2012), Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the “Best of All Time” (they measured the punch stats of legends such as: Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Muhammad Ali etc.)

Because he never fought the people they did. If he fought the same row Leonard, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler fought, his punch stats wouldn't be high...Guaranteed


I can have the highest punch stats ever fighting a bunch of 8 year olds.

Cloutov wrote:27 championship fights is not what I call a bunch of 8 years old

IKSRTFO wrote: I can have the highest punch stats ever fighting a bunch of 8 year olds.

koolkc107 wrote: TBE? Not on your lfe.

dempseyfire wrote:There's no such thing as relevant boxing "statistics."

ReggieDiggs wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: TBE? Not on your lfe.

Was Ali the greatest? Was Ali the greatest when he was 20 or w/e & one of the best guys he beat was Sonny Banks & he was already saying he was the greatest?

Its no wonder advertising works so well. People hear sh!t & don't understand the reason behind other people saying things. Simple self promotion. "What do you mean that threesome I had with the transsexual midget & the albino didn't Stay in Vegas like they said on that tv ad", "What do you mean that milk doesn't do the body good if you're lactose intolerant, doctor". lol.

Also I'd love to see the fighter who's nickname was "The 9th Best Welterweight in the US". Humbleness don't get you far in the self promotion business & like it or not there is an aspect of that in boxing, but maybe some boxrec knuckleheads would love him for being so literal.

In my humble opinion when you are doing exceptional sh!t you gotta see yourself as an exceptional person. When you wanna be the best in something you can't go into that situation thinking you are okay at that thing whatever it may be, even if you are only okay or good right now. You gotta think you are the best even if you never speak it aloud or you need to say it out loud to yourself to help you believe it or if you gotta tell anyone you come in contact with that you are the best you gotta do that sh!t or you will never be the best. The first step to being the best in anything is believing you are capable of it.

koolkc107 wrote: But this is a thread about Mayweather where the OP has the phrase "Best of all time" in it. It is a thread speculating on where Floyd fits in boxing's pantheon.

koolkc107 wrote:I am a huge fan of Floyd in the ring.

But no way in hell he fights guys like Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Arguello, Pryor, and others and remains undefeated.

One of the best we've seen? OK.

TBE? Not on your lfe.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: But this is a thread about Mayweather where the OP has the phrase "Best of all time" in it. It is a thread speculating on where Floyd fits in boxing's pantheon.

Compubox said Floyd is the "Best of all time" based on their statistics. Ferg didn't use that phrase himself, he quoted it. Ferg just posted Floyd's "resume" of which this Compubox fact was a part.

You can't argue stats. You can argue what those stats mean though. And you can't really argue self promotion (TBE, The Greatest, etc.) if you are being logical as the immediate goal of self promotion isn't to be awarded the best accolades right then so much as to get people thinking you are the best or wanting to see you lose for thinking such a narcissistic thing.

Badhusker wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:I am a huge fan of Floyd in the ring.

But no way in hell he fights guys like Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Arguello, Pryor, and others and remains undefeated.

One of the best we've seen? OK.

TBE? Not on your lfe.

That all depends when he fights them. If he fought them at the age Floyd is now, he would beat all of them, and easy. SRL, for example, was totally shot at 34. My point is it is kind of pointless to try to compare fighters from different eras. Would he fight all the above mentioned guys at a certain age?


I hope that whoever wins between Floyd and Manny gets full credit instead of a long list of BS excuses.

koolkc107 wrote: I did not say Ferg said it. I said that the phrase is what I was responding to, taken in combination with what we all know about Floyd's own opinion.

And I said there is no problem with Floyd thinking of himself as he has.

But his opinion is not the only one that counts, nor will it at all in the final analysis.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: I did not say Ferg said it. I said that the phrase is what I was responding to, taken in combination with what we all know about Floyd's own opinion.

And I said there is no problem with Floyd thinking of himself as he has.

But his opinion is not the only one that counts, nor will it at all in the final analysis.

You acted like its important that that was said as a claim & not a fact. I mean you can dispute the Boxer of the Year award too, but that doesn't make it a fact that many groups gave Terence Crawford the Boxer of the Year award in 2014 & being Boxer of the Year is now a part of Terence Crawford's resume. But okay whatever.

And the ATG debate is the dumbest, most misinformed debate in boxing. Its about as meaningful as the people commenting on it in forums like this one & most of the people commenting on it know f#ck all about boxing history & the old timers. I know plenty of guys who'll pull Ray Robinson outta their ass as the best boxer ever & then when I ask them whats their favorite Ray Robinson fight they can't name anyone or they can only name Jake LaMotta & Raging Bull was a hell of a movie & I'm pretty sure they are describing that movie instead of the fight.