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I mean, the ref in maidana-mayweather II that was crap, preventing a boxer from box where you box the most effective, inside/close.

I hope the ref will be fair, let pacquiao do his thing and let floyd do his thing.

Also i hope that the ref will tell "fight" or "fight out" or just "shut up" if floyd starts complaining about this and that 10000 times. he so much finds something to complain.

A lot of people will bet on floyd, but asia is behind manny and a lot of those asians will bet on manny, because asians love to gamble, so money wise it will be 50/50.

Last but not least the judges. sometimes some fights were realy close, a lot had castillo 1 winning and maidana 1 a draw, but outside of the oscar fight, were oscar was the #1 star against floyd, outside of that mayweather gets always very good cards, sometimes undeserving, since most of us thought that castillo won the first one hands down, its not hating on my side, just the way it is.

so with money, refs, judges, breaking style and maybe pillow gloves etc, with there be any crap involving the fight or will it be what it should be an even fair fight were both have the chance to beat each other via skills?

I'll say I'm rooting for Manny in this fight, I enjoy em both but usually go for the underdog if it's two guys I like, so I don't feel My opinion is biased. If anyone has to worry about the refs I believe it's Floyd, especially after some complete imbecile gave Canelo 6 rounds in a fight in which a lot of people (myself included) believe he didn't win a single one. Even though it's Floyds hometown I expect Manny will be the crowd favourite, so even if some of his aggression and combinations aren't effective, judges may be swayed

If it goes to decisoin, if Pacquiao doesn't clearly win by more than 3-4 rounds and do some damage (no patty caking), I don't see the judges awarding him with a victory.

i mean, i dont know what is wrong with judges but floyd never got such a crap descision, like manny had, like winning 10 rounds, but still getting a loss against bradley.

i realy hope they get top judges, who realy understand boxing and who judge by everything that comes in to play. aggression, clear punches landed etc..

but you what is great is, that anybody can have his own record to a boxer and can decide who realy won and lost. therefore,even if the judges dont have it right, down the line boxing experts know who realy deserved the win. that is the reason i have guy like lara #1 at 154 because he won against very dangerous guys like williams or canelo.

its just a tragedy in boxing that even in the biggest fights there are so many crap descisions.

lewis/holyfield
pacquiao/bradley
mayweather/castillo
hearns/leonard 2

is it realy so hard to judge a fight, hell no. if regular people like us can do it right, why cant judges, who supposed to be proffesional experts in what they do.

I remember that dumb women who had given a round in favour of holyfield, a round where lewis was totaly dominating holyfield.

Will there be any absurdity? We have had plenty of that already right here on the forum! I have contributed my fair share.

Shpati wrote:If it goes to decisoin, if Pacquiao doesn't clearly win by more than 3-4 rounds and do some damage (no patty caking), I don't see the judges awarding him with a victory.

I think the judging in Floyd's last several fights was generous to his opponents and it seems to me like the result that would lead to the most income generation would be a win for the underdog Pacquaio, as a rematch-which I believe would still have incomparable drawing in today's scene--would probably be more lucrative in that circumstance than following a victory by the guy who was generally expected to win.

Maybe you're right, but if the judging is biased towards someone I think there's a good chance it will be Pac.

With the money involved with this fight, you have to be weary about possible payoffs all over the place. There's really no way to stop it. I'm talking about both guys camps and promoters.

I agree with the poster, Mayweather Jr/Maidana II was a joke. Baylis didn't let them fight on the ropes for a second and 90% of the time he broke them up, both guys had hands free. That's clearly to FMJ's advantage and don't think that wasn't something this ref planned to eliminate prior to the fight.

With that said, I really think that the goal of this fight is to make sure there's actually a second fight. If FMJ wins, the odds of a rematch are slim. He'll just brag on for life and have nothing else to prove even if it's a bad decision. But if it's relatively close, I really think that Manny will be awarded a win or a draw. With a Manny win or draw, a second fight is almost a certainty. Manny would then earn the A side of the bargaining table and the chance to pocket over $250m in one year would be great.

My prediction: If there's no knockdowns, this fight ends in a draw or a SD win for Manny.

crusader wrote:

Shpati wrote:If it goes to decisoin, if Pacquiao doesn't clearly win by more than 3-4 rounds and do some damage (no patty caking), I don't see the judges awarding him with a victory.

I think the judging in Floyd's last several fights was generous to his opponents and it seems to me like the result that would lead to the most income generation would be a win for the underdog Pacquaio, as a rematch-which I believe would still have incomparable drawing in today's scene--would probably be more lucrative in that circumstance than following a victory by the guy who was generally expected to win.

Maybe you're right, but if the judging is biased towards someone I think there's a good chance it will be Pac.

Good point you have there. I think there's a higher chance of that happening actually (Pac-Man being favored by judges for a rematch). History proves it too.

The reason I think the judges may favor Mayweather is because he's the linear champ. Pacquiao will have to be the aggressor and clearly win. The judges might be scared of ruining Mayweather's perfect record, unless they know for sure Pacquiao was the clear victor.

I'm not sure why judges were really generous to Mayweather's recent opponents. If you ask me, I think they just do that to make the fight look better than it was.

caldo2025 wrote:With the money involved with this fight, you have to be weary about possible payoffs all over the place. There's really no way to stop it. I'm talking about both guys camps and promoters.

Honestly, I'm more worried about if Manny and May are just looking to cash in before they retire and not go full throttle. That whole meeting at the Miami Heat game was so planned imo, and I'm getting the impression that these 2 might just be looking for one last really good pay day before hang up their gloves.

I'm not saying they don't care, but one or both of them won't give it their all.

judges are so strange.

i am now reviewing floyd's last several fights and it is realy sad to see how bad so called proffesional judges are.

in his last 5 fights, they only had it right 2 times.

maidana 2 - good scoring 115-112 something like this is okay

maidana - good scoring, for a draw, but md win was also okay, was a close fight

alvarez - bad scoring, floyd won like 8-9 rounds, how can judges score that 114-114???

guerrero - bad scoring, g didnt even win 1 round, yet judges had it 117-111 wtf

cotto - bad scoring, cotto was 10 times better than guerrero in his fight with floyd, yet had same scorecards 117-111, even 118-110

Shpati wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:With the money involved with this fight, you have to be weary about possible payoffs all over the place. There's really no way to stop it. I'm talking about both guys camps and promoters.

Honestly, I'm more worried about if Manny and May are just looking to cash in before they retire and not go full throttle. That whole meeting at the Miami Heat game was so planned imo, and I'm getting the impression that these 2 might just be looking for one last really good pay day before hang up their gloves.

I'm not saying they don't care, but one or both of them won't give it their all.

maybe floyd, as he doesnt like to fight actualy. he only goes in the ring with only safety and defence on his mind and $$$$. pac in not that kind of dude, he is a pure fighter, always exchanging. i think it will be a good fight, with both come to bring it.

Chepppaaa wrote:I mean, the ref in maidana-mayweather II that was crap, preventing a boxer from box where you box the most effective, inside/close.

I hope the ref will be fair, let pacquiao do his thing and let floyd do his thing.

Also i hope that the ref will tell "fight" or "fight out" or just "shut up" if floyd starts complaining about this and that 10000 times. he so much finds something to complain.

A lot of people will bet on floyd, but asia is behind manny and a lot of those asians will bet on manny, because asians love to gamble, so money wise it will be 50/50.

Last but not least the judges. sometimes some fights were realy close, a lot had castillo 1 winning and maidana 1 a draw, but outside of the oscar fight, were oscar was the #1 star against floyd, outside of that mayweather gets always very good cards, sometimes undeserving, since most of us thought that castillo won the first one hands down, its not hating on my side, just the way it is.

so with money, refs, judges, breaking style and maybe pillow gloves etc, with there be any crap involving the fight or will it be what it should be an even fair fight were both have the chance to beat each other via skills?

What thing is that? You ASS-ume that Manny will want to mix it up on the inside with Mayweather when Pacquiao has never proven he is an inside fighter?

The Ref won't be a factor in this unless he is stopping the carnage that Mayweather will be dishing out on Pacquiao.

The scoring will be interesting. You know they've got that rematch setup already with all of that money floating around - half a billion for two fights.

Blodhemn wrote:The scoring will be interesting. You know they've got that rematch setup already with all of that money floating around - half a billion for two fights.

Only if Manny wins will there be a rematch, that is the clause.

I can only imagine they'd do it again if it were a draw or a close fight either way. However, with that clause, Floyd might finally find himself not getting the benefit of the doubt on the cards as it'll finally be worth him losing that precious "0".

Blodhemn wrote:I can only imagine they'd do it again if it were a draw or a close fight either way. However, with that clause, Floyd might finally find himself not getting the benefit of the doubt on the cards as it'll finally be worth him losing that precious "0".

Maybe! I wouldn't mind seeing 3 fights between the two of them.

KBB wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:I mean, the ref in maidana-mayweather II that was crap, preventing a boxer from box where you box the most effective, inside/close.

I hope the ref will be fair, let pacquiao do his thing and let floyd do his thing.

Also i hope that the ref will tell "fight" or "fight out" or just "shut up" if floyd starts complaining about this and that 10000 times. he so much finds something to complain.

A lot of people will bet on floyd, but asia is behind manny and a lot of those asians will bet on manny, because asians love to gamble, so money wise it will be 50/50.

Last but not least the judges. sometimes some fights were realy close, a lot had castillo 1 winning and maidana 1 a draw, but outside of the oscar fight, were oscar was the #1 star against floyd, outside of that mayweather gets always very good cards, sometimes undeserving, since most of us thought that castillo won the first one hands down, its not hating on my side, just the way it is.

so with money, refs, judges, breaking style and maybe pillow gloves etc, with there be any crap involving the fight or will it be what it should be an even fair fight were both have the chance to beat each other via skills?

What thing is that? You ASS-ume that Manny will want to mix it up on the inside with Mayweather when Pacquiao has never proven he is an inside fighter?

The Ref won't be a factor in this unless he is stopping the carnage that Mayweather will be dishing out on Pacquiao.

floyd > pac. easy ko.