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In the light of Bookies making CEJ favourite in a rematch, just wondered how the real experts would see this going?

Please assume neutral judges etc.

BJS had a worried look on his face in the post ringside interview.

Saunders again, Eubank Jr still can't box.

Eubank was excellent last night ,best I've seen him and has learned a lot in a short space of time in boxing,I wasn't convinced at the start but he's won me over in the last year or so

In saying that I thought Saunders was a deserved winner ,mostly due to Chris doing practically nothing first half of the fight,he isn't a big puncher but he's strong and hits hard enough,I think he gives Billy Joe a tougher fight in a rematch

I'm still torn and agree BJS deservedly won the 1st bout. It was a shame BJS didn't give CEJ more credit last night, i think it would have worked out well for BJS if he did.

I think if CEJ can show discipline in his next couple of bouts, sticking behind his jab for greater periods of a fight then i could be swayed most definitely.

Have to say i think the rematch will eventually be HUGE!

Eubanks a brawler without power.Saunders would do it again IMO

Anyone that votes Euwank Jnr after what we see Saturday night needs there fcuking head reading .
Jnr still as un accurate as eva missed with even more shots against a smaller an much more limited opponent than he did against BJS .
He lacks power , and decent boxer will box rings around him .

Eubank starts quicker, bjs stops him.

CiganoBoxer wrote:Anyone that votes Euwank Jnr after what we see Saturday night needs there fcuking head reading .
Jnr still as un accurate as eva missed with even more shots against a smaller an much more limited opponent than he did against BJS .
He lacks power , and decent boxer will box rings around him .

Couldn't agree more, I still think he's too crude, predictable. All he has is a good engine and can be awkward at times

Jnr IN MY OPINION might have the clumsy feet and the strut around the ring but Jnr nowhere near pulls Snr unorthodox style off ,an if he is trying.. its a very bad imitation, i think he has far less power than his dad and that says something !
i don't what people are seeing different or what makes them think he will beat BJS if they fight again ?
I think i gave him like three rounds against BJS , and never mind all this BS that "Jnr gave the first 6-7 rounds away blah blah " thats total BS the sort of thing an untrained eye would say , BJS for those first 6 rounds was so razor sharp setting a high pace Jnr had no answer for him, it wasn't until BJS slowed down that JNR scored in that fight .

In a rematch ...same outcome, mark my words

CiganoBoxer wrote:Anyone that votes Euwank Jnr after what we see Saturday night needs there fcuking head reading .
Jnr still as un accurate as eva missed with even more shots against a smaller an much more limited opponent than he did against BJS .
He lacks power , and decent boxer will box rings around him .

Disagree. He's scarily fit and seems quite tough too. I think he could drag BJS into a war earlier on 2nd time round. CEJ might not have 1 punch KO power but he hits harder than Saunders. I think Eubank Jr. will improve more than BJS over the next year.

BJS is the better boxer but I reckon Eubank could out work him if he sets a decent pace from the off. He has a seriously high fitness level. Both guys are tough and it will more than likely go to points again. I wouldn't be surprised either way on points but I would be surprised if any of them could force a stoppage.

I think people are looking into the pace and the fight of two halves thing a bit to much. If Eubank starts faster than last time Saunders will box on the back foot and pick him off, he'll be fresher early on in the fight don't forget and it may be by doing that he can pretty much coast the last few rounds. I'd take Saunders to win more emphatically than last time.

Ian1973 wrote:I think people are looking into the pace and the fight of two halves thing a bit to much. If Eubank starts faster than last time Saunders will box on the back foot and pick him off, he'll be fresher early on in the fight don't forget and it may be by doing that he can pretty much coast the last few rounds. I'd take Saunders to win more emphatically than last time.

Totally agree,people underestimate BJS , he's by far the better boxer an has already proved it to .

95gerog wrote:In the light of Bookies making CEJ favourite in a rematch, just wondered how the real experts would see this going?

Please assume neutral judges etc.

bookies made CEJ favourite in 1st match

Saunders wins again for me. Junior does seem to be improving but I think BJS builds a lead up & Eubanks fitness claws back the deficit in the final few rounds but is still behind on the card similar to BJS v CE 1.

Slightly off topic. I see on oddschecker there is a bookie that has priced up the potential Saunders v Andy Lee fight. They make Saunders 2-1. That would be an unbelievably good value if the fight happens.

In the first fight, I saw him sit back for half the fight, and still just barely lose (I thought BJS deserved the nod, though I'd have liked it if the ref hadn't stopped proceedings when Jnr was unloading in the final round). This time I saw him learn from that, start fast and sustain it, and box better. I suspect we saw the very best we will ever see of BJS in that fight, and that the Eubank we saw on Saturday would have won it by a comfortable margin.

SamWise72 wrote:In the first fight, I saw him sit back for half the fight, and still just barely lose (I thought BJS deserved the nod, though I'd have liked it if the ref hadn't stopped proceedings when Jnr was unloading in the final round). This time I saw him learn from that, start fast and sustain it, and box better. I suspect we saw the very best we will ever see of BJS in that fight, and that the Eubank we saw on Saturday would have won it by a comfortable margin.

Comments like these are silly , like i said early , all this BS that "Jnr gave the first 6-7 rounds away blah blah " thats total Bull chit , BJS for those first 6 rounds was razor sharp /setting a high pace an Jnr had no answer for it , it wasn't until BJS slowed up that Jnr even scored .

CiganoBoxer wrote:

SamWise72 wrote:In the first fight, I saw him sit back for half the fight, and still just barely lose (I thought BJS deserved the nod, though I'd have liked it if the ref hadn't stopped proceedings when Jnr was unloading in the final round). This time I saw him learn from that, start fast and sustain it, and box better. I suspect we saw the very best we will ever see of BJS in that fight, and that the Eubank we saw on Saturday would have won it by a comfortable margin.

Comments like these are silly , like i said early , all this BS that "Jnr gave the first 6-7 rounds away blah blah " thats total Bull chit , BJS for those first 6 rounds was razor sharp /setting a high pace an Jnr had no answer for it , it wasn't until BJS slowed up that Jnr even scored .

He didn't even box to the sort of level he's capable of, it was mostly just jabs, if he'd brought the left cross into it more he'd have an easier night. Eubank's fitness is now being overblown too, he did 12 rounds on Saturday, but he was blowing out his arse after 4, Chudinov was too tired himself to take advantage, along with being too crude. Its a lot harder to fight at that pace when the punches are hitting thin air, like they were doing against Saunders.

expe wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:

SamWise72 wrote:In the first fight, I saw him sit back for half the fight, and still just barely lose (I thought BJS deserved the nod, though I'd have liked it if the ref hadn't stopped proceedings when Jnr was unloading in the final round). This time I saw him learn from that, start fast and sustain it, and box better. I suspect we saw the very best we will ever see of BJS in that fight, and that the Eubank we saw on Saturday would have won it by a comfortable margin.

Comments like these are silly , like i said early , all this BS that "Jnr gave the first 6-7 rounds away blah blah " thats total Bull chit , BJS for those first 6 rounds was razor sharp /setting a high pace an Jnr had no answer for it , it wasn't until BJS slowed up that Jnr even scored . :box:

He didn't even box to the sort of level he's capable of, it was mostly just jabs, if he'd brought the left cross into it more he'd have an easier night. Eubank's fitness is now being overblown too, he did 12 rounds on Saturday, but he was blowing out his arse after 4, Chudinov was too tired himself to take advantage, along with being too crude. Its a lot harder to fight at that pace when the punches are hitting thin air, like they were doing against Saunders.

Billy Joe's Stamina and fitness levels will always leave him having a difficult period in fights of a certain level. he is an 8 round fighter toughing out the last 4 rounds time and time again.

His boxing skills are incredibly under rated, Eubank will never come close to the ability BJS has.... but if the 2 fight 10 times they will likely have 10 close fights.

Yes We Can wrote:

expe wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote: Comments like these are silly , like i said early , all this BS that "Jnr gave the first 6-7 rounds away blah blah " thats total Bull chit , BJS for those first 6 rounds was razor sharp /setting a high pace an Jnr had no answer for it , it wasn't until BJS slowed up that Jnr even scored .

He didn't even box to the sort of level he's capable of, it was mostly just jabs, if he'd brought the left cross into it more he'd have an easier night. Eubank's fitness is now being overblown too, he did 12 rounds on Saturday, but he was blowing out his arse after 4, Chudinov was too tired himself to take advantage, along with being too crude. Its a lot harder to fight at that pace when the punches are hitting thin air, like they were doing against Saunders.

Billy Joe's Stamina and fitness levels will always leave him having a difficult period in fights of a certain level. he is an 8 round fighter toughing out the last 4 rounds time and time again.

His boxing skills are incredibly under rated, Eubank will never come close to the ability BJS has.... but if the 2 fight 10 times they will likely have 10 close fights.

They've had one and it wasn't close, his fitness are coming on too, he was a lot better in the Eubank fight than he was against Ryder and Blackwell, they'll never be brilliant, but given a couple more camps out in Spain and living a bit cleaner and he should be fine.

if I was cej i would have another couple of fights and meet up with bjs later on.

fair play to cej he aint ducking anyone and is now cracking on and moving on after being stagnant for a while with lesser opponents.

He may not of beat bjs but it's given him confidence which he took into his last fight.

I would go to america and fight a couple of tougher class opponents then rematch bjs.

bjs meanwhile can also crack on and fight some other fighters and build the rematch up..

bit like groves vs degale imo, but i think degale will win that rematch.

expe wrote:

Yes We Can wrote:
Billy Joe's Stamina and fitness levels will always leave him having a difficult period in fights of a certain level. he is an 8 round fighter toughing out the last 4 rounds time and time again.

His boxing skills are incredibly under rated, Eubank will never come close to the ability BJS has.... but if the 2 fight 10 times they will likely have 10 close fights.

They've had one and it wasn't close, his fitness are coming on too, he was a lot better in the Eubank fight than he was against Ryder and Blackwell, they'll never be brilliant, but given a couple more camps out in Spain and living a bit cleaner and he should be fine.

I'm a huge BJS fan, but to suggest the Eubank fight wasn't close is just wrong imo. It shouldn't have been close - Saunders should have outclassed him with ease - but it was. Saunders is obviously talented, but his lack of stamina is very worrying & doesn't bode well for the future; he shouldn't be pushed to the limit by a relative novice just because he gasses so early. It's not like Brook against Jones either, where it was clearly a one-off, it's an ongoing & consistent flaw which needs to be rectified asap before he steps up properly.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

expe wrote:

Yes We Can wrote:
Billy Joe's Stamina and fitness levels will always leave him having a difficult period in fights of a certain level. he is an 8 round fighter toughing out the last 4 rounds time and time again.

His boxing skills are incredibly under rated, Eubank will never come close to the ability BJS has.... but if the 2 fight 10 times they will likely have 10 close fights.

They've had one and it wasn't close, his fitness are coming on too, he was a lot better in the Eubank fight than he was against Ryder and Blackwell, they'll never be brilliant, but given a couple more camps out in Spain and living a bit cleaner and he should be fine.

I'm a huge BJS fan, but to suggest the Eubank fight wasn't close is just wrong imo. It shouldn't have been close - Saunders should have outclassed him with ease - but it was. Saunders is obviously talented, but his lack of stamina is very worrying & doesn't bode well for the future; he shouldn't be pushed to the limit by a relative novice just because he gasses so early. It's not like Brook against Jones either, where it was clearly a one-off, it's an ongoing & consistent flaw which needs to be rectified asap before he steps up properly.

I had Saunders winning by 6 rounds, watched it back and I had it to him by 3 or 4, can't remember which, wouldn't call it a close fight though, Eubank Jr didn't come close to winning it.