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Who wins - current GGG vs the B-Hop of, let's say 2004?......

Hopkins. It'd be a good one

Hopkins 8 rds to 4. Too good at 30-39 yrs old

Definitely Hopkins. In his prime, Hopkins was one of the best middleweights of all time. Golovkin is a good fighter, but not close to prime Hopkins.

I wouldn't hurry to jump to conclusions. While it is all clear with Bernard's greatness, Golovkin hasn't had a chance to fully prove his. Let's imagine that he impressively beats Canelo, Lemieux, Dirrell/DeGale winner, Ward. Can that change your opinion ?

IMO it's way too early to make these kind of fantasy matchups with Golovkin, because, until he's been in with elite opposition, we won't know how good he really is. While GGG has never been in with anyone close to the calibre of Hopkins, I also don't believe Hopkins ever faced as good a puncher and pressure fighter as GGG at middleweight.

ikorolev wrote:I wouldn't hurry to jump to conclusions. While it is all clear with Bernard's greatness, Golovkin hasn't had a chance to fully prove his. Let's imagine that he impressively beats Canelo, Lemieux, Dirrell/DeGale winner, Ward. Can that change your opinion ?

That'd obviously put him above for me. Hopkins never beat anyone as good as Ward IMO. But I don't see GGG beating Ward so....

Looking at Bernard's career between 1994 and 2004 (conveniently selected between losses to RJJ and Taylor), his biggest wins were against Trinidad and DLH who were both much smaller men. Trinidad, even though about the same height as Hopkins, fought at 147 just two years earlier and had only one MW fight before fighting Bernard. DLH just looked like a midget in the same ring with Hopkins. The rest of competition during that period doesn't impress at all and is about the same level as Golovkin's competition. Hopkins definitely didn't fight anyone coming close to GGG during that period.

Hopkins by KO/TKO, if he was good enough to stop Tito and Oscar then he'll damn sure be good enough to stop an unproven 3G.

KBB wrote:Hopkins by KO/TKO, if he was good enough to stop Tito and Oscar then he'll damn sure be good enough to stop an unproven 3G.

Strange logic: he beat two recent welters, so he will beat a strong skillful middleweight ???

ikorolev wrote:I wouldn't hurry to jump to conclusions. While it is all clear with Bernard's greatness, Golovkin hasn't had a chance to fully prove his. Let's imagine that he impressively beats Canelo, Lemieux, Dirrell/DeGale winner, Ward. Can that change your opinion ?

What if Julio Diaz moves-up multiple divisions to impressively beat Canelo, Lemieux, Dirrell/DeGale winner, and Ward? More importantly, why would I give him that hypothetical credit if he hasn't earned it?

But to answer your question, Hopkins is still ahead. He beat multiple p4p top 100 all-time fighters in their primes. I'm pretty sure that David Lemieux and James DeGale are not in the p4p top 100 of all-time. ... and by "I'm pretty sure," I mean that being outside of the top 1,000 is quite distant from being inside of the top 100.

ikorolev wrote:Looking at Bernard's career between 1994 and 2004 (conveniently selected between losses to RJJ and Taylor), his biggest wins were against Trinidad and DLH who were both much smaller men. Trinidad, even though about the same height as Hopkins, fought at 147 just two years earlier and had only one MW fight before fighting Bernard. DLH just looked like a midget in the same ring with Hopkins. The rest of competition during that period doesn't impress at all and is about the same level as Golovkin's competition. Hopkins definitely didn't fight anyone coming close to GGG during that period.

Awww so now GGG has an equal resume to BHop......ur unbelievable dude. GGG has beat total shit. GGG is one of my favorite active fighters but nobody on this forum would know it because ur always posting stupid shit. Me/anyone can't say who would win because GGG hasn't fought anyone. Until PROVEN otherwise shut the fornicate up.

We get a Roy Jones Jr. is overrated thread now I gotta see shit like this. This forum has went to shit, dumbass fanboys.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Looking at Bernard's career between 1994 and 2004 (conveniently selected between losses to RJJ and Taylor), his biggest wins were against Trinidad and DLH who were both much smaller men. Trinidad, even though about the same height as Hopkins, fought at 147 just two years earlier and had only one MW fight before fighting Bernard. DLH just looked like a midget in the same ring with Hopkins. The rest of competition during that period doesn't impress at all and is about the same level as Golovkin's competition. Hopkins definitely didn't fight anyone coming close to GGG during that period.

Awww so now GGG has an equal resume to BHop......ur unbelievable dude. GGG has beat total poo. GGG is one of my favorite active fighters but nobody on this forum would know it because ur always posting stupid poo. Me/anyone can't say who would win because GGG hasn't fought anyone. Until PROVEN otherwise shut the eff up.

We get a Roy Jones Jr. is overrated thread now I gotta see poo like this. This forum has went to poo, dumbass fanboys.

Nailed it again
GGG is looks great against limited opposition.That is all we know for sure.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Looking at Bernard's career between 1994 and 2004 (conveniently selected between losses to RJJ and Taylor), his biggest wins were against Trinidad and DLH who were both much smaller men. Trinidad, even though about the same height as Hopkins, fought at 147 just two years earlier and had only one MW fight before fighting Bernard. DLH just looked like a midget in the same ring with Hopkins. The rest of competition during that period doesn't impress at all and is about the same level as Golovkin's competition. Hopkins definitely didn't fight anyone coming close to GGG during that period.

Awww so now GGG has an equal resume to BHop......ur unbelievable dude. GGG has beat total poo. GGG is one of my favorite active fighters but nobody on this forum would know it because ur always posting stupid poo. Me/anyone can't say who would win because GGG hasn't fought anyone. Until PROVEN otherwise shut the eff up.

We get a Roy Jones Jr. is overrated thread now I gotta see poo like this. This forum has went to poo, dumbass fanboys.

So, who exactly did Hopkins beat at MW between 1994 and 2004 besides recent welters, Trinidad and DLH ? Names, please.

ikorolev wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Looking at Bernard's career between 1994 and 2004 (conveniently selected between losses to RJJ and Taylor), his biggest wins were against Trinidad and DLH who were both much smaller men. Trinidad, even though about the same height as Hopkins, fought at 147 just two years earlier and had only one MW fight before fighting Bernard. DLH just looked like a midget in the same ring with Hopkins. The rest of competition during that period doesn't impress at all and is about the same level as Golovkin's competition. Hopkins definitely didn't fight anyone coming close to GGG during that period.

Awww so now GGG has an equal resume to BHop......ur unbelievable dude. GGG has beat total poo. GGG is one of my favorite active fighters but nobody on this forum would know it because ur always posting stupid poo. Me/anyone can't say who would win because GGG hasn't fought anyone. Until PROVEN otherwise shut the eff up.

We get a Roy Jones Jr. is overrated thread now I gotta see poo like this. This forum has went to poo, dumbass fanboys.

So, who exactly did Hopkins beat at MW between 1994 and 2004 besides recent welters, Trinidad and DLH ? Names, please.

Nobody dude....BHop is a legend in his own mind. GGG is the greatest fighter to ever put on a pair of gloves.

He is a legend due to his longevity and some people he beat outside of the discussed period. None of his 1994-2004 opponents beside Tito and Oscar qualify for elite status.

ikorolev wrote:He is a legend due to his longevity and some people he beat outside of the discussed period. None of his 1994-2004 opponents beside Tito and Oscar qualify for elite status.

Ur absolutely right!!!!!! He didn't do shit.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:He is a legend due to his longevity and some people he beat outside of the discussed period. None of his 1994-2004 opponents beside Tito and Oscar qualify for elite status.

Ur absolutely right!!!!!! He didn't do poo.

You are making a very strong argument Why can't you name one elite middleweight Hopkins defeated between 1994 and 2004 ??? Are you not capable of using boxrec ratings ?

ikorolev wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:He is a legend due to his longevity and some people he beat outside of the discussed period. None of his 1994-2004 opponents beside Tito and Oscar qualify for elite status.

Ur absolutely right!!!!!! He didn't do poo.

You are making a very strong argument Why can't you name one elite middleweight Hopkins defeated between 1994 and 2004 ??? Are you not capable of using boxrec ratings ?

I don't need to, u sold me. BHop did jack shit from 94-04.

B-HOP kicks his u know what 52 weeks of the year when in his prime.

ikorolev wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Looking at Bernard's career between 1994 and 2004 (conveniently selected between losses to RJJ and Taylor), his biggest wins were against Trinidad and DLH who were both much smaller men. Trinidad, even though about the same height as Hopkins, fought at 147 just two years earlier and had only one MW fight before fighting Bernard. DLH just looked like a midget in the same ring with Hopkins. The rest of competition during that period doesn't impress at all and is about the same level as Golovkin's competition. Hopkins definitely didn't fight anyone coming close to GGG during that period.

Awww so now GGG has an equal resume to BHop......ur unbelievable dude. GGG has beat total poo. GGG is one of my favorite active fighters but nobody on this forum would know it because ur always posting stupid poo. Me/anyone can't say who would win because GGG hasn't fought anyone. Until PROVEN otherwise shut the eff up.

We get a Roy Jones Jr. is overrated thread now I gotta see poo like this. This forum has went to poo, dumbass fanboys.

So, who exactly did Hopkins beat at MW between 1994 and 2004 besides recent welters, Trinidad and DLH ? Names, please.

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Not saying GGG couldn't beat Hopkins because I think GGG has the goods. Honestly though, GGG hasn't proven shit against a elite world class fighter, not even one! GGG is unproven and until he stops fighting all these C-B level scrubs I can't accurately compare him to the legend Bernard Hopkins.

I could easily see Hopkins being too slick and crafty for GGG. Landing a shot and then tying GGG up all night long. People would cry about it and say Hopkins was holding all night, but he would take all of GGGs best weapons away from him and do enough by landing clean effective punches to win over the judges.

ikorolev wrote:He is a legend due to his longevity and some people he beat outside of the discussed period. None of his 1994-2004 opponents beside Tito and Oscar qualify for elite status.

None of Golovkin's opponents in his entire professional career have been elite. Golovkin himself isn't even elite in the way that prime DLH and prime Trinidad were. In fact, Golovkin's accomplishments are much more closely on-par with William Joppy's or Fernando Vargas's. Golovkin's best wins against Macklin, Geale, Murray, etc. are pretty comparable, if not worse, than Vargas's wins over Luis Ramon Campas, Winky Wright, and Ike Quartey. Golovkin's 14 title wins against gatekeepers and middling contenders are like Joppy's 11 title wins against gatekeepers and middling contenders. Of course, even if you tossed-out Trinidad's wins over Joppy and Vargas, his official win over DLH, and his win over mildly past-prime Whitaker, the remainder of Trinidad's resume still trumps Golovkin's. Of course, DLH's wins over Whitaker and JCC make anything Golovkin ever has done or ever will do look like a joke; and if you subtract those wins, the remainder of DLH's resume against John John Molina, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Wilfredo Rivera, Ike Quartey, Javier Castillejo, and Fernando Vargas still easily trumps Golovkin's. Pretty much all of those names are better individually than Golovkin's best scalp.

Trinidad and DLH are top tier elite fighters, but they were not real middleweights. Sorry if I touch somebody religious beliefs, but what real middleweights defeated by Hopkins in 1994-2004 could be called elite ?