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James Toney....A Multi Division Champion..who you could argue had gotten the better of the likes of

Holyfield, Ruiz, Rahman, McCallum, Barkley Jirov, Oquendo, Charles Williams. How would he do against the Kirkby KO artist?

Toney clearly knew Grebs secret of the "multi divisional discipline" art of boxing.

Something unknown to folks like Kostya Tzyu, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler who were examples of "single division specialists".

How does he fair against the "Merseyside Mauler"?



Too much time on my hands this evening? Guilty.

BoxBuzz wrote:James Toney....A Multi Division Champion..who you could argue had gotten the better of the likes of

Holyfield, Ruiz, Rahman, McCallum, Barkley Jirov, Oquendo, Charles Williams. How would he do against the Kirkby KO artist?

Toney clearly knew Grebs secret of the "multi divisional discipline" art of boxing.

Something unknown to folks like Kostya Tzyu, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler who were examples of "single division specialists".

How does he fair against the "Merseyside Mauler"?



Too much time on my hands this evening? Guilty.

Surely a fairly comfortable win for toney. Lot of good names on that record, names 2 weight divisions below Conteh and 2 divisions above.

And a few wins over better opposition than conteh himself, i'd say, not really a hard choice.

Ok......

Not sure I disagree.

But in context with the Monzon thread, I find it an expansive and interesting discussion.

The "multi weight class" discipline of fighting appears to have legs with some.

As if it is a boxing specialty. I'm as genuinely curious as I am doubtful at this point.

I'm just not sure of the soundness of the idea that the Haglers and Monzons of the world are "less" for the fact that they did not wander.

I think of it as happenstance, and not likely to "limit" them.

It doesn't feel right to me, but the hard data is what it is. So no way to offer proof that either of them would have been effective moving up.

toney just knows a bit too much for JC in this one - UD

The Conteh before he messed his hand up? I think he beats Toney over 15 rounds, maybe over 12 Toney would sneak it but I don't see it. Those light heavies in the 70s were pretty damn good.

BoxBuzz wrote:Ok......

Not sure I disagree.

But in context with the Monzon thread, I find it an expansive and interesting discussion.

The "multi weight class" discipline of fighting appears to have legs with some.

As if it is a boxing specialty. I'm as genuinely curious as I am doubtful at this point.

I'm just not sure of the soundness of the idea that the Haglers and Monzons of the world are "less" for the fact that they did not wander.

I think of it as happenstance, and not likely to "limit" them.

It doesn't feel right to me, but the hard data is what it is. So no way to offer proof that either of them would have been effective moving up.

I reckon you deserve some kudos for doing it in different weight classes, but that's not to take away from someone who is genuinely top level in 1 division only. Simply because you couldn't possibly say that guy wouldn't have went on to be a 4 weight champ had he chosen that route.

to be fair my main reason for picking toney was that was better and fought guys, I thought were better than conteh.

I wasn't about in Contehs day and have only seen bits of him fight, my opinion is largely based on records, I may be misreading the strength of some of his opposition and underetsimating the quality of the LHW division back then.

I'm also going on the fact that Toney was fantastic at his best and beat some terrific names