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BWH Rankings as of 14 March 2015:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Tyson Fury
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Bryant Jennings
6. Vyacheslav Glazkov
7. Bermane Stiverne
8. Carlos Takam
9. Tony Thompson
10. Dereck Chisora
11. Steve Cunningham
12. Chris Arreola
13. Artur Szpilka
14. Ruslan Chagaev
15. Mike Perez

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Vyacheslav Glazkov's UD12 win over Steve Cunningham?

My vote: Glazkov remains at #6, Cunningham to #12.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Chris Arreola's UD8 win over Curtis Harper?

My vote: Arreola to #13, Harper remains unranked.

Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Glazkov, Cunningham, Arreola and Harper. Posting your own top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner than I have done above.

Glazkov remains #6

Cunningham drops out.
Excluding his win over Mansour he has proven to be competitive but not outstanding at heavyweight.

Arreola down to #13

Glazkov #6
Cunningham #8

Glazkov #6
Arreola #12
Cunningham #13

Cunningham - Up to No. 8
Glazkov - Down to No. 10
Arreola - Out

Cunningham deserved the win in my opinion.

Did those voting Cunningham down or out think that Glazkov deserved the win?

This was a BS win, so I'd just drop Cunningham by 1 considering Arreola pounded-out a victory. Glaskov and Cunningham may have "Compelling Stories," but neither can break an egg.

Tony1244 wrote:This was a BS win, so I'd just drop Cunningham by 1 considering Arreola pounded-out a victory. Glaskov and Cunningham may have "Compelling Stories," but neither can break an egg.

Have we had a vote on Arreola?

Horse wrote:Cunningham - Up to No. 8
Glazkov - Down to No. 10

Cunningham deserved the win in my opinion.

Taking into account judges' opinion, we should treat it as a draw and leave them where they were.

Horse wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:This was a BS win, so I'd just drop Cunningham by 1 considering Arreola pounded-out a victory. Glaskov and Cunningham may have "Compelling Stories," but neither can break an egg.

Have we had a vote on Arreola?

Nope, I didn't realise he had fought. I'll add a topic for his fight. Everyone, please edit your votes to include a vote for the Arreola fight.

Horse wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:This was a BS win, so I'd just drop Cunningham by 1 considering Arreola pounded-out a victory. Glaskov and Cunningham may have "Compelling Stories," but neither can break an egg.

Have we had a vote on Arreola?

Arreola is on the list at 12. And he just had an unimpressive win.

I'd keep everything the way they are,

Arreola should not be rewarded for beating club drivers (like the WBC do with him)

Glazkov and cunnigngham should keep their positions

Mariusz wach and erkan teper won but they remain unranked

My vote: Glazkov down to #10, Cunningham up to #8.
My vote: Arreola down to #13, Harper remains unranked.

Cunningham beat Glazkov last night. Anyone who didn't see the fight and is going by the crooked official result probably shouldn't be voting at all. I am disgusted by anyone who would punish Cunningham for being robbed by moving him down or holding him steady. In what world does the actual winner of a boxing match have to get ranked below the loser just because the judges took a bribe?

cold187 wrote:I'd keep everything the way they are,

Arreola should not be rewarded for beating club drivers (like the WBC do with him)

Glazkov and cunnigngham should keep their positions

Mariusz wach and erkan teper won but they remain unranked

I see your point on Arreola, but isn't beating a "club driver" better than not fighting at all?

Cunningham up to #9, Glazkov down to #11 (don't know who Glazkov is sleeping with to get judged so generously, but he's clearly lost at least twice now.)
Arreola out (injury or not, Arreola was getting hit flush far, far too often. Imagine what a Parker, Joshua, H Fury, Browne or Ruiz would've done to a guy like Harper).

Tony1244 wrote:

cold187 wrote:I'd keep everything the way they are,

Arreola should not be rewarded for beating club drivers (like the WBC do with him)

Glazkov and cunnigngham should keep their positions

Mariusz wach and erkan teper won but they remain unranked

I see your point on Arreola, but isn't beating a "club driver" better than not fighting at all?

in that case what about mariusz wach recent victories or erkan teper, charles martin etc

Tony1244 wrote:

cold187 wrote:I'd keep everything the way they are,

Arreola should not be rewarded for beating club drivers (like the WBC do with him)

Glazkov and cunnigngham should keep their positions

Mariusz wach and erkan teper won but they remain unranked

I see your point on Arreola, but isn't beating a "club driver" better than not fighting at all?

A fighter should not move-up 1 rank each time they beat a... "club driver". In that case, Povetkin would be one win against a "club driver" away from overtaking Wladimir's top spot. You move up one or more spots whenever you actually do enough to outshine the guys that you are passing.

Lackeos wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

cold187 wrote:I'd keep everything the way they are,

Arreola should not be rewarded for beating club drivers (like the WBC do with him)

Glazkov and cunnigngham should keep their positions

Mariusz wach and erkan teper won but they remain unranked

I see your point on Arreola, but isn't beating a "club driver" better than not fighting at all?

A fighter should not move-up 1 rank each time they beat a... "club driver". In that case, Povetkin would be one win against a "club driver" away from overtaking Wladimir's top spot. You move up one or more spots whenever you actually do enough to outshine the guys that you are passing.

I'm not saying you should move up everytime you get a win against anybody. But if you beat a guy ranked 89th you're outshining a guy who did absolutely nothing. Inactivity should be penalized.

Tony1244 wrote:I'm not saying you should move up everytime you get a win against anybody. But if you beat a guy ranked 89th you're outshining a guy who did absolutely nothing. Inactivity should be penalized.

Cunningham isn't inactive though and he is better than Arreola.

inactivity is punished by being removed for no fight in 12 months so that answers your query.

Tony1244 wrote:

cold187 wrote:I'd keep everything the way they are,

Arreola should not be rewarded for beating club drivers (like the WBC do with him)

Glazkov and cunnigngham should keep their positions

Mariusz wach and erkan teper won but they remain unranked

I see your point on Arreola, but isn't beating a "club driver" better than not fighting at all?

I generally like activity over no activity, but I think Arreola should be lowered due to how badly he struggled against a very limited opponent; he looked shot to me.

Cunningham up to #8
Glazkov down to #11
Arreola out
Harper unranked

Although he's not up for voting despite a recent fight, I think Erkan Teper is close to cracking the top 15, while up and comers like Parker and Joshua may be suitable for a position soon given who is in the lower parts of the rankings.

Horse wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:I'm not saying you should move up everytime you get a win against anybody. But if you beat a guy ranked 89th you're outshining a guy who did absolutely nothing. Inactivity should be penalized.

Cunningham isn't inactive though and he is better than Arreola.

I also think he's better than Arreola and has beaten better fighters more recently. I didn't make the list.

cold187 wrote:inactivity is punished by being removed for no fight in 12 months so that answers your query.

Sure but activity gains points. Boxrec has Harper now at 100.

Tony1244 wrote:I also think he's better than Arreola and has beaten better fighters more recently. I didn't make the list.

But you said that you think Arreola should overtake Cunningham.

Tony1244 wrote:

cold187 wrote:inactivity is punished by being removed for no fight in 12 months so that answers your query.

Sure but activity gains points. Boxrec has Harper now at 100.

only cos he gained points from close fight, as arreala lost points, nothign to do with activity