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Last night Brook banged the drums of war loudly in calling out Amir but KhanDuck's response was "Kell has been basically fighting and beating B & C class fighters when he should be facing World Class Fighters".

My response is; aren't you claiming to be a World Class Fighter Mr. KhanDuck, what will it take for him to "conduct" this fight???

Both have a huge following overseas and will sell out in Sheffield, Brook has a title, a big name, and a big payday is on the line, maybe the money isn't what Amir could make facing Broner but it is definitely a huge enough reward that is worth the risk.

What are your thought on this, is KhanDuck scared and making excuses or is it a better deal in terms of facing Broner and making bigger money than facing Brook and getting lesser??

Discuss!!

Until Khan knows for a fact that he won't get a fight against Floyd or Manny, he won't fight anyone that he isn't positive he will beat. Its actually kind of comical that he told Brook if he beat Porter and got a belt he would fight him, but now says he needs to earn his shot (again).

So, like I said, Khan won't fight Brook, Porter, Thurman, Maidana until he is sure the May or Pac dream is gone. Guys like Broner, Algieri, Berto, Ortiz, Malagnaggi, etc will be next. Since the Maidana fight was so close, it would be nice to see that rematch to actually see how much he has improved.

Khan's newest excuse is that he won't fight Brook in June because of Ramadan, there is no end to his ducking of Kell but yet this dude doesn't have anything to bargain with. He isn't a champion/belt holder/titleholder, he isn't a huge draw in the USA, he doesn't have an exciting style IMHO other than when he's getting ktfo and he talks too much crap while consistently trying to place himself in the same category as Floyd and Manny.

I wonder what his excuse(s) will be once the Ramadan season has passed.

I'v got the fight for every one Khan v Cotto the winner to fight Quillin the winner to get GGG don't be surprised to see for the
first time ever 2 fighter's trying to beat the other to be the first to take a dive and Khan just won't keep his hand off it.
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I think Khan is definitely getting ahead of himself thinking he's at the FMJ/Manny level but i do think that he has a point here when it comes to Brook. Brook had a GREAT win against Porter. Porter's star was soaring and no one gave Brook much of a chance but he pulled it out and clearly outclassed Porter who's bullrush style of boxing was not effective and didn't have a plan B to turn to. I'm not doubting that Brook can fight on this level but he's not a draw here in the states. The fight would be huge in the UK but i think that Khan is right in this case. Let the fire burn a little brighter before signing on to this one. No one really cared and some didn't even know Brook 16 months ago but he's made a nice stir in the sport. Brook needs to fight a couple more good fights and I think that this fight could garner PPV money in near future. Right now, it's not a PPV event worldwide IMO.

Khan is a different fighter now and I do think he could give Floyd and Manny all they can handle. I hate to admit that but it's true. His hand speed is ridiculous. You have to admit this guys has a rare talent but that chin...that chin does change everything. I think with moving up in weight, not having to starve to make the limit, helps in this department. No one pairs a glass jaw with cutting weight as relating factors but i've heard boxers talk about it over the years and it makes a huge difference with how you recover and take a clean shot. Khan will shock some people in the next couple years IMO and will be a top 5 P4P. Will have to stare at his stupid face for many years to come.

caldo2025 wrote:I think Khan is definitely getting ahead of himself thinking he's at the FMJ/Manny level but i do think that he has a point here when it comes to Brook. Brook had a GREAT win against Porter. Porter's star was soaring and no one gave Brook much of a chance but he pulled it out and clearly outclassed Porter who's bullrush style of boxing was not effective and didn't have a plan B to turn to. I'm not doubting that Brook can fight on this level but he's not a draw here in the states. The fight would be huge in the UK but i think that Khan is right in this case. Let the fire burn a little brighter before signing on to this one. No one really cared and some didn't even know Brook 16 months ago but he's made a nice stir in the sport. Brook needs to fight a couple more good fights and I think that this fight could garner PPV money in near future. Right now, it's not a PPV event worldwide IMO.

Khan is a different fighter now and I do think he could give Floyd and Manny all they can handle. I hate to admit that but it's true. His hand speed is ridiculous. You have to admit this guys has a rare talent but that chin...that chin does change everything. I think with moving up in weight, not having to starve to make the limit, helps in this department. No one pairs a glass jaw with cutting weight as relating factors but i've heard boxers talk about it over the years and it makes a huge difference with how you recover and take a clean shot. Khan will shock some people in the next couple years IMO and will be a top 5 P4P. Will have to stare at his stupid face for many years to come.

I disagree with you giving Khan a pass based on the thinking that the fight needs to simmer, that's bull.......Amir and Kell is the biggest fight right now on the overseas scene and there is absolutely no reason not to make it happen right now. Amir Khan needs a belt/title (I know some say that don't matter but I beg to differ), Kell Brook has a belt/title and it is 100% legit.

The title that Brook has can be used as a huge leveraging chip to muscle out more pay in a big fight with Manny or Floyd should he win vs Kell, all the ducking excuses KhanDUCK has been making are being echoed by his faithful followers but that doesn't make them legit.

The fight is already the fight everyone is talking about there outside of Floyd vs Manny and nothing will surpass that until it happens.

No more excuses for King Con or is that, King of Cons??

caldo2025 wrote:I think Khan is definitely getting ahead of himself thinking he's at the FMJ/Manny level but i do think that he has a point here when it comes to Brook. Brook had a GREAT win against Porter. Porter's star was soaring and no one gave Brook much of a chance but he pulled it out and clearly outclassed Porter who's bullrush style of boxing was not effective and didn't have a plan B to turn to. I'm not doubting that Brook can fight on this level but he's not a draw here in the states. The fight would be huge in the UK but i think that Khan is right in this case. Let the fire burn a little brighter before signing on to this one. No one really cared and some didn't even know Brook 16 months ago but he's made a nice stir in the sport. Brook needs to fight a couple more good fights and I think that this fight could garner PPV money in near future. Right now, it's not a PPV event worldwide IMO.

Khan is a different fighter now and I do think he could give Floyd and Manny all they can handle. I hate to admit that but it's true. His hand speed is ridiculous. You have to admit this guys has a rare talent but that chin...that chin does change everything. I think with moving up in weight, not having to starve to make the limit, helps in this department. No one pairs a glass jaw with cutting weight as relating factors but i've heard boxers talk about it over the years and it makes a huge difference with how you recover and take a clean shot. Khan will shock some people in the next couple years IMO and will be a top 5 P4P. Will have to stare at his stupid face for many years to come.

Khan can "trouble" anyone for a while, relying on his hand speed, etc. I don't think anyone has debated his skill as a boxer, but if you notice how guys like Garcia, who isn't anywhere near as fast as Floyd or Manny times him and knocks him out, it makes you wonder. Khan avoids guys like Porter, Thurman, Brook, Maidana, even Guerrero. He uses their names, but that is about it. He wants a shot at the top then retire. He is one KO loss away from being insignificant. That is why he is avoiding the top guys and making 140lbers Broner or Algieri his priority. He got KTFO at 135, and moved up saying he was cutting too much, affected his punch resistance. He was KTFO at 140 and moved up, saying he was cutting too much, affected his punch resistance. Now at 147, he is avoiding a big puncher....or I guess he will have to move up again.

I disagree with you giving Khan a pass based on the thinking that the fight needs to simmer, that's bull.......Amir and Kell is the biggest fight right now on the overseas scene and there is absolutely no reason not to make it happen right now. Amir Khan needs a belt/title (I know some say that don't matter but I beg to differ), Kell Brook has a belt/title and it is 100% legit.

The title that Brook has can be used as a huge leveraging chip to muscle out more pay in a big fight with Manny or Floyd should he win vs Kell, all the ducking excuses KhanDUCK has been making are being echoed by his faithful followers but that doesn't make them legit.

The fight is already the fight everyone is talking about there outside of Floyd vs Manny and nothing will surpass that until it happens.

No more excuses for King Con or is that, King of Cons??[/quote]

Delusional. Hold on...hold on...did you just say that nothing will surpass a Khan/Brook fight outside of Manny/FMJ? I just thought of 3 fights happening in the next month or so that i'd rather see more than that(Provodnikov/Matthyse, Garcia/Peterson, Alvaras/Kirkland). So pump the breaks KBB and don't let your hatred of Khan make you say silly stuff like this. You are normally a lot better than this.

Brook is a World Champ and I do honor the 4 belts but be honest, if you were in Khan's shoes, would you rather have a belt or $30-50m? That's what it comes down to. Khan is clearly in line to fight Floyd or Manny next and the fight is going to generate great numbers. THAT is a PPV fight, not Khan vs. Brook. That wouldn't be a PPV right now in the states. Don't tell me it would be because you know it wouldn't. In the UK? Absolutely. No argument there. THAT is exactly why you let a fight brew and then you pop the cork when it's ready, not before. It's selling a stock before it splits. Now if talks with Floyd/Manny stalls, which is likely with Khan's inflated self worth, then you consider it with nothing better on the table. But taking this fight is dumb and any promoter will tell you same thing. It's dumb business.

Brook vs. Khan fight would be on at 4pm in the States and i'd say it would get about a 1% share in the states. Dumb fight for Khan

caldo2025 wrote:IDelusional. Hold on...hold on...did you just say that nothing will surpass a Khan/Brook fight outside of Manny/FMJ? I just thought of 3 fights happening in the next month or so that i'd rather see more than that(Provodnikov/Matthyse, Garcia/Peterson, Alvaras/Kirkland). So pump the breaks KBB and don't let your hatred of Khan make you say silly stuff like this. You are normally a lot better than this.

Brook is a World Champ and I do honor the 4 belts but be honest, if you were in Khan's shoes, would you rather have a belt or $30-50m? That's what it comes down to. Khan is clearly in line to fight Floyd or Manny next and the fight is going to generate great numbers. THAT is a PPV fight, not Khan vs. Brook. That wouldn't be a PPV right now in the states. Don't tell me it would be because you know it wouldn't. In the UK? Absolutely. No argument there. THAT is exactly why you let a fight brew and then you pop the cork when it's ready, not before. It's selling a stock before it splits. Now if talks with Floyd/Manny stalls, which is likely with Khan's inflated self worth, then you consider it with nothing better on the table. But taking this fight is dumb and any promoter will tell you same thing. It's dumb business.

Brook vs. Khan fight would be on at 4pm in the States and i'd say it would get about a 1% share in the states. Dumb fight for Khan

If you read it correctly you'd know that I was referring to what would happen overseas, not here in the US. So let me get this straight; guys like you would knock a guy who goes for a money fight (example Floyd vs Oscar, rather than Floyd vs Margarito) when people you dislike do it but when it's a guy you like then he gets a pass??

Is there a double standard here??

You are in essence stating it is ok for Khan who isn't in the league of Manny or Floyd to go after them when he has done nothing but beat a guy like Devon and has no belt/title so he is deserving of the fight with either of them surpassing a guy like Brook (who at least has a belt/title)??

KBB wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:IDelusional. Hold on...hold on...did you just say that nothing will surpass a Khan/Brook fight outside of Manny/FMJ? I just thought of 3 fights happening in the next month or so that i'd rather see more than that(Provodnikov/Matthyse, Garcia/Peterson, Alvaras/Kirkland). So pump the breaks KBB and don't let your hatred of Khan make you say silly stuff like this. You are normally a lot better than this.

Brook is a World Champ and I do honor the 4 belts but be honest, if you were in Khan's shoes, would you rather have a belt or $30-50m? That's what it comes down to. Khan is clearly in line to fight Floyd or Manny next and the fight is going to generate great numbers. THAT is a PPV fight, not Khan vs. Brook. That wouldn't be a PPV right now in the states. Don't tell me it would be because you know it wouldn't. In the UK? Absolutely. No argument there. THAT is exactly why you let a fight brew and then you pop the cork when it's ready, not before. It's selling a stock before it splits. Now if talks with Floyd/Manny stalls, which is likely with Khan's inflated self worth, then you consider it with nothing better on the table. But taking this fight is dumb and any promoter will tell you same thing. It's dumb business.

Brook vs. Khan fight would be on at 4pm in the States and i'd say it would get about a 1% share in the states. Dumb fight for Khan

If you read it correctly you'd know that I was referring to what would happen overseas, not here in the US. So let me get this straight; guys like you would knock a guy who goes for a money fight (example Floyd vs Oscar, rather than Floyd vs Margarito) when people you dislike do it but when it's a guy you like then he gets a pass??

Is there a double standard here??

You are in essence stating it is ok for Khan who isn't in the league of Manny or Floyd to go after them when he has done nothing but beat a guy like Devon and has no belt/title so he is deserving of the fight with either of them surpassing a guy like Brook (who at least has a belt/title)??

I don't knock people for being smart with their careers whether i like them or not. Boxers in their prime have to be careful who they fight and realize the pitfalls that could jeopardize a big payday. It's not ducking (Adonis ducking Kovalev is a duck). Khan vs. Floyd got a lot of support over the last couple years and each fight Khan's fought in that time has been an audition for a fight with Floyd. That's Khan's prize and goal, not a belt and a guy that just came into spotlight a few months ago. And don't knock Alexander. He's a very good fighter that got shutout by Khan. It was an impressive win by Khan not that I care, i just appreciate talented boxers making the correct decisions.

caldo2025 wrote:I don't knock people for being smart with their careers whether i like them or not. Boxers in their prime have to be careful who they fight and realize the pitfalls that could jeopardize a big payday. It's not ducking (Adonis ducking Kovalev is a duck). Khan vs. Floyd got a lot of support over the last couple years and each fight Khan's fought in that time has been an audition for a fight with Floyd. That's Khan's prize and goal, not a belt and a guy that just came into spotlight a few months ago. And don't knock Alexander. He's a very good fighter that got shutout by Khan. It was an impressive win by Khan not that I care, i just appreciate talented boxers making the correct decisions.

Khan isn't being smart in his career, he's being greedy (chasing the money), why is it that he is facing Algieri rather than Brook? I'll tell you why, people now recognize Chris' name after being handily thrashed by Manny and for him beating Provodnikov (the one guy like you guys are claiming Kell did).

It is DUCKING, when he can be facing a guy with a belt/title rather than someone without it, Kovalev has titles, Stevenson has titles so if Adonis is not trying to unify against a man who has been calling him out after every fight then yes, he is DUCKING but you know the difference between all the guys you have been mentioning and Amir??

BELTS/TITLES, Amir has how many right now?? Who cares what support Khan got in a poll vs Floyd, that fight is gone for now, Amir still has Algieri, Brook, Peterson and Garcia and even Prescott troubles that he has never cleared up.

Only delusional Amir fans will defend this BS DUCKING and cherrypicking of Algieri over Brook.

Brook has called out King Con again:

Kell Brook to BBC 5 Live: “If someone said to me you can get five million quid, a world title, fight at Wembley with a fight that every fan wants to see, it’s a no-brainer for me. He’s fighting Algieri who didn’t win a round against Pacquiao, a feather puncher, not a big puncher. It doesn’t make sense to me. I’m world champion, I’m calling him out, we want the fight, there’s a world title and a bagful of money and it doesn’t make sense that he’s fighting this guy who’s bringing nothing to the table.”

verballistic wrote:

KBB wrote:Brook has called out King Con again:

Kell Brook to BBC 5 Live: “If someone said to me you can get five million quid, a world title, fight at Wembley with a fight that every fan wants to see, it’s a no-brainer for me. He’s fighting Algieri who didn’t win a round against Pacquiao, a feather puncher, not a big puncher. It doesn’t make sense to me. I’m world champion, I’m calling him out, we want the fight, there’s a world title and a bagful of money and it doesn’t make sense that he’s fighting this guy who’s bringing nothing to the table.”

To be honest, I dont think Khan wants any part of Brook. IMO he's hoping someone else will beat Brook first, but the selection of a second-rate fighter like Algieri shows me that Khan is still looking for the easiest path to a megafight with the Pac-Mayweather winner (or even the loser if it's a close fight).

Khan is hoping Brook stumbles so he doesn't have to fight him. It is so painfully obvious, unless you are talking to Khan fans...if there are anymore that will admit it. I can say with 99% accuracy that Khan won't get either Pac or Floyd, regardless of the outcome. He brings nothing to the table, has not proven himself at welter, and has recently, obviously, ducked top contenders. Him choosing CA has sealed his chances of a mega fight. He will have to earn his way up now. Man, I can't believe how dumb that mother fornicator is.

Getting a bit bored of brook and hearn banging on now about Khan!
I agree i would far rather see them fight than Khan v Algeri and it'd unquestionably be a big ££ spinner all round, buts it not happening (yet) so they got to move on!

biggest pu&/y in boxing is khan

KBB wrote:Last night Brook banged the drums of war loudly in calling out Amir but KhanDuck's response was "Kell has been basically fighting and beating B & C class fighters when he should be facing World Class Fighters".

My response is; aren't you claiming to be a World Class Fighter Mr. KhanDuck, what will it take for him to "conduct" this fight???

Both have a huge following overseas and will sell out in Sheffield, Brook has a title, a big name, and a big payday is on the line, maybe the money isn't what Amir could make facing Broner but it is definitely a huge enough reward that is worth the risk.

What are your thought on this, is KhanDuck scared and making excuses or is it a better deal in terms of facing Broner and making bigger money than facing Brook and getting lesser??

Discuss!!

one of the most exciting fighters with a very crowd
pleasing style had to rebuild his career from scratch.
that is what's happening and i for one am totally
pleased with amir taking it slowly with opponents,
unless it is a super marky name like floyd or manny.

absolutely nothing wrong with that.

man wrote:one of the most exciting fighters with a very crowd
pleasing style had to rebuild his career from scratch.
that is what's happening and i for one am totally
pleased with amir taking it slowly with opponents,
unless it is a super marky name like floyd or manny.

absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Like I said in another thread, there would be nothing wrong with that, if he had not told everyone he won't fight Brook because he didn't have enough name or accomplishments, and wants only the best in the division. He had a chance to fight Bradley too, but chose CA - and now is trying to justify it by calling him an A class opponent....and CA was a big reason why Manny got the fight with Floyd. If he wants just a stay busy fight, he should say so instead of making up all kinds of bogus crap.

Khan isn't being smart in his career, he's being greedy (chasing the money)"

Honestly, if you don't see how ridiculous this line is then lets just agree to disagree. This is PRIZEFIGHTING, KBB. It's all about THE PRIZE, which is the money, not the belt. As a Floyd jock sniffer, I would think you would understand that more than anyone. Floyd's pounded this point home over the years but why is it wrong now for Khan but ok for Floyd the last 5 years? You are showing your hypocritical side, bud. Not a good look for you.

caldo2025 wrote:
Khan isn't being smart in his career, he's being greedy (chasing the money)"

Honestly, if you don't see how ridiculous this line is then lets just agree to disagree. This is PRIZEFIGHTING, KBB. It's all about THE PRIZE, which is the money, not the belt. As a Floyd jock sniffer, I would think you would understand that more than anyone. Floyd's pounded this point home over the years but why is it wrong now for Khan but ok for Floyd the last 5 years? You are showing your hypocritical side, bud. Not a good look for you.

you dumbhead...dont you understand that even financielly wise a fight against brook in wembley makes more sense than khan vs algieri.....

you dumbhead...dont you understand that even financielly wise a fight against brook in wembley makes more sense than khan vs algieri....

You obviously missed the point as well, Chepppaaa. Read what the discussions about if you want to jump in logically. Khan will make 5 times as much with a fight against Manny or Floyd than Brook. Why would anyone risk that? Just a bunch of Khan haters. Floyds been ducking for 5 years but you jump on Khans jock. I get it.

caldo2025 wrote:

you dumbhead...dont you understand that even financielly wise a fight against brook in wembley makes more sense than khan vs algieri....

You obviously missed the point as well, Chepppaaa. Read what the discussions about if you want to jump in logically. Khan will make 5 times as much with a fight against Manny or Floyd than Brook. Why would anyone risk that? Just a bunch of Khan haters. Floyds been ducking for 5 years but you jump on Khans jock. I get it.

sure would he make more against floyd and pac, than against khan.

he still is a pu&(y. if everybody would act like him, than everybody would stop fighting and everybody at welterweight and under would wait for pacquiao and mayweather, because they would make more money. so no thurman vs guerrero, no matthysse vs provodnikov, nothing, everybody waits hahahaah.....you dumbhead hahaha.....thats not how it works. you fight good opponents and someday you get a shot at the very best or you dont. but meanwhile you fight and take on the best available opponents and somebody like brook is sure as hell one of the best available opponents.

Chepppaaa wrote:he still is a pu&(y. if everybody would act like him ...

amir gets a very rare second chance on world
level and is trying to make the best out of it.
he had proven in his first attempt that he is
not the ducking type.

but there is no way no please a hater and you
seem to be one.

His ducking is now on par with Floyd, Stevenson and Fury. Khan is a disgrace.

Badhusker wrote:

man wrote:one of the most exciting fighters with a very crowd
pleasing style had to rebuild his career from scratch.
that is what's happening and i for one am totally
pleased with amir taking it slowly with opponents,
unless it is a super marky name like floyd or manny.

absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Like I said in another thread, there would be nothing wrong with that, if he had not told everyone he won't fight Brook because he didn't have enough name or accomplishments, and wants only the best in the division. He had a chance to fight Bradley too, but chose CA - and now is trying to justify it by calling him an A class opponent....and CA was a big reason why Manny got the fight with Floyd. If he wants just a stay busy fight, he should say so instead of making up all kinds of bogus crap.

They make too many excuses for Khan and they will never understand this.

Is there a possibility that Haymon may have already put a bug in Khan's ear that he will be next for Floyd in the UK/Wembley and this may be the reason we will see him face a guy who isn't a big puncher in Algieri rather than take a super risky fight vs a puncher like Thurman or someone like Brook who can put him to sleep?

Of all the fighters Khan could face right now and him making an excuse like Ramadan is coming up as to why he didn't chose Brook but instead rested on Chris Algieri there has to be something odd, factor in the following to see how Ramadan isn't such a big deal as Amir makes it out to be when he did this:

Dude hasn't fought since December, and he's doing his best to juggle potential opponents...before June and whomever packs the lightest punch.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I Googled the dates for Ramadan in 2011 and 2012....Khan had just fought Zab on 7/23/11, and Ramadan began on July 31st. He fought Garcia on 7/14/12, and Ramadan began 5 days later....but Khan just said that Brook and Hearn are trying to make him fight right before Ramadan this year (6/17/15) and the fight date is 6/13/15....what's the deal here?

He said that he has to work himself into the fasting period, what gives here?

Is it possible he has the next fight already lined up vs Mayweather overseas??