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fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 31 Mar 2015, 15:30
by man
prime tyson for me.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 31 Mar 2015, 16:28
by JC
Probably Tyson

Floyd Patterson and Joe Louis are the other obvious names.

There were probably some non-champs with very fast hands too, but I can't think of any right now.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 31 Mar 2015, 16:58
by SamWise72
That Ali fella was pretty quick too.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 31 Mar 2015, 17:10
by cfang
Im going Patterson. Henry Cooper fought him and a young Ali and said Floyd's hands were faster.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 31 Mar 2015, 18:56
by HomicideHenry
Patterson I always felt had the faster hands.

I've read alot of accounts on Gentleman Jim Corbett and old-timers who were old enough to see Ali before their deaths said that Corbett was faster than he was---- and I can believe it to an extent, because of two things: He was just slightly bigger than a LHW by today standards, and because of the sparring video of him and Tunney. Though Corbett was 59 years old, he was remarkably fast for his age. He looked, even then, to be as fast as a middleweight. So can imagine at his best he was almost impossible to reach.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 31 Mar 2015, 19:30
by elmersalsa
The great Muhammad Ali had the fastest hands. No doubt in my mind. The great Mike Tyson had the most vicious fast hands ever seen in a heavyweight.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 31 Mar 2015, 21:37
by Scypion
Jimmy Ellis had pretty fast hands, but Ali and Patterson were faster.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 08:08
by man
HomicideHenry wrote:Patterson I always felt had the faster hands.

I've read alot of accounts on Gentleman Jim Corbett and old-timers who were old enough to see Ali before their deaths said that Corbett was faster than he was---- and I can believe it to an extent, because of two things: He was just slightly bigger than a LHW by today standards, and because of the sparring video of him and Tunney. Though Corbett was 59 years old, he was remarkably fast for his age. He looked, even then, to be as fast as a middleweight. So can imagine at his best he was almost impossible to reach.
thnx for the hint. didn't have him on my list.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 11:30
by palooka
Prime Ali was maybe the quickest, Tyson had speed plus power, Tony Tubbs had very quick hands.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 11:37
by cocka09
Roy Jones Jr?

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 12:01
by stevieb_8006
Matthew Ellis :yay:

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 12:29
by Caractacus
WBO Heavyweight Champion Corrie Sanders for sure.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 12:40
by man
cocka09 wrote:Roy Jones Jr?
that was funny indeed.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 12:45
by dempseyfire
A few that haven't been mentioned:

Buster Mathis

Michael Dokes

Tony Tubbs

Eddie Machen

Joe Bugner

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 20:41
by kaiserbill
Corrie Sanders had very quick hands for a heavyweight.

Edit: I see he's been mentioned above.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 01 Apr 2015, 23:03
by yancey
cfang wrote:Im going Patterson. Henry Cooper fought him and a young Ali and said Floyd's hands were faster.
I think you are correct. :TU:

That right that Floyd laid out Henry with was freaking blinding. My favorite Patterson fight.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 02:50
by zojo
didn't someone take an old 8mm film and counted out that it took less frames for Patterson to throw a punch that it took for Ali?

I swear I read that somewhere.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 03:34
by el_grande_mauro_mina
Patterson was the fastest but he was a big super middleweight really.

Bruce Seldon was fast as was Tony Tubbs.

Michael Dokes was very fast.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 04 Apr 2015, 06:01
by Syntax Error
Floyd Patterson for me, although, as others have said, he wouldn't be a heavyweight today.

It's a tough question to ask as there would have been fighters from way back who'd be worthy of a mention, but the fight films aren't at the correct speed.

For example, how fast were Jack Johnson, or Jack Dempsey really?

Only people who are old enough to have watched them can answer than, & there's none of those people left.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 05 Apr 2015, 01:55
by jaclem3
.....joe louis.....short, fast and dynamite power. threw in combinations so fast he could still hit his guy when the guy was on the way down.
even past his primes he had the speed in both hands. look at his kayo of walcott in their second fight.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 05 Apr 2015, 05:44
by man
HomicideHenry wrote:Patterson I always felt had the faster hands.

I've read alot of accounts on Gentleman Jim Corbett and old-timers who were old enough to see Ali before their deaths said that Corbett was faster than he was---- and I can believe it to an extent, because of two things: He was just slightly bigger than a LHW by today standards, and because of the sparring video of him and Tunney. Though Corbett was 59 years old, he was remarkably fast for his age. He looked, even then, to be as fast as a middleweight. So can imagine at his best he was almost impossible to reach.
there is a clip on youtube, but that is in
slow mo whenever one could judge corbett's
speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMdot7QW9Mo
maybe you have a better source …

regarding what old timers and what they
said about ali and corbett, i'd be careful.
people of age get sentimental.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 05 Apr 2015, 07:31
by handsofstone
A young Tyson for me ,the clips of him shadowboxing with Cus looking on are frightining ,like a bantamweight

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 06 Apr 2015, 04:24
by man
handsofstone wrote:A young Tyson for me ,the clips of him shadowboxing with Cus looking on are frightining ,like a bantamweight
absolutely. whenever i see that clip i can
hardly believe his speed, both in hands
and body. just amazing. prime tyson was
so much more than a big puncher ... losing
speed due to his lifestyle was the real reason
for the downfall boxing wise. though he always
managed to stay "in shape". at least it looked
like he was ...

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 06 Apr 2015, 14:10
by Scypion
man wrote:
handsofstone wrote:A young Tyson for me ,the clips of him shadowboxing with Cus looking on are frightining ,like a bantamweight
absolutely. whenever i see that clip i can
hardly believe his speed, both in hands
and body. just amazing. prime tyson was
so much more than a big puncher ... losing
speed due to his lifestyle was the real reason
for the downfall boxing wise. though he always
managed to stay "in shape". at least it looked
like he was ...

Also, his car accident when he was knocked out cold running into a tree.

Re: fastest hands in heavyweight history?

Posted: 06 Apr 2015, 14:13
by palooka
Scypion wrote:
man wrote:
handsofstone wrote:A young Tyson for me ,the clips of him shadowboxing with Cus looking on are frightining ,like a bantamweight
absolutely. whenever i see that clip i can
hardly believe his speed, both in hands
and body. just amazing. prime tyson was
so much more than a big puncher ... losing
speed due to his lifestyle was the real reason
for the downfall boxing wise. though he always
managed to stay "in shape". at least it looked
like he was ...

Also, his car accident when he was knocked out cold running into a tree.
Didn't he give the car a way to the cops that came along?