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1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) Kell Brook
4. (4.) Amir Khan
5. (5.) Tyson Fury
6. (6.) James DeGale
7. (7.) George Groves
8. (8.) Martin Murray
9. (9.) Scott Quigg
10. (10.) Ola Afolabi

11. (11.) Lee Selby
12. (12.) Tony Bellew
13. (13.) Jamie McDonnell
14. (14.) Billy Joe Saunders
15. (15.) Andy Lee (Irish)
16. (16.) Lee Haskins
17. (17.) Paul Smith
18. (18.) Frankie Gavin
19. (19.) Ricky Burns
20. (21.) Liam Walsh

21. (22.) Dereck Chisora
22. (23.) Stuart Hall
23. (20.) Paul Butler
24. (24.) Chris Eubank Jr
25. (25.) Anthony Crolla
26. (RE.) Ovill McKenzie
27. (26.) Josh Warrington
28. (27.) Terry Flanagan
29. (28.) Nathan Cleverly
30. (29.) Kevin Mitchell

Out - (30.) Matthew Macklin

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Butler should be above Hall, especially given he beat him relatively recently. Otherwise, good list

Good list.

I personally think that Mitchell should be around the 21 mark and push the rest down a place. Don't see Del Boy, Hall, Warrington etc being better than Mitchell.

Can't see how Groves makes it in ahead of Murray, Quigg, McDonnell & possibly even Saunders & Bellew.

Murray lost to the number one in the division, giving GGG his best workout. Quigg & McDonnell hold titles. BJS is going in the right direction cleaning up the right title and moving to world title level, Bellew is pretty similar level so it's a coin toss between them.

I don't think Groves has done anything in recent years to warrant his place, if anything he has slipped.

Would agree that Mitchell should be higher. Decent list overall though.

Andy Lee should be above Afolabi.

Boxerbeetle wrote:Butler should be above Hall, especially given he beat him relatively recently. Otherwise, good list

Their fight was very close and Hall was much more impressive against Caballero than Butler was against Tete.

After Butler got dominated and destroyed so easily I didn't think he deserved to be above Hall any more. I think Hall would do a lot better against Tete than Butler did.

Once again Groves far too high....

danamba7 wrote:Good list.

I personally think that Mitchell should be around the 21 mark and push the rest down a place. Don't see Del Boy, Hall, Warrington etc being better than Mitchell.

Maybe I should have given Mitchell more credit for his last win, but Estrada looked awful.

I don't like how Mitchell has avoided domestic opposition since Burns destroyed him 2.5 years ago.

freddydoesdallas wrote:Can't see how Groves makes it in ahead of Murray, Quigg, McDonnell & possibly even Saunders & Bellew.

Murray lost to the number one in the division, giving GGG his best workout. Quigg & McDonnell hold titles. BJS is going in the right direction cleaning up the right title and moving to world title level, Bellew is pretty similar level so it's a coin toss between them.

Froch is more proven than Golovkin and Groves did better against Froch than Murray did against Golovkin.

McDonnell's opposition has been poor since he beat Ceja almost 2 years ago. If he beats Kameda next month then he'll probably overtake Groves.

Quigg's record is not as good as Groves'. Quigg's and McDonnell's paper titles mean very little.

Saunders almost lost to Eubank Jr. Bellew hasn't beaten a top level cruiserweight yet.

freddydoesdallas wrote:I don't think Groves has done anything in recent years to warrant his place, if anything he has slipped.

Being competitive with Froch twice in recent years is enough to warrant his place.

Good to see Frampton so high on the list. Why is Andy Lee on here?

Where's Gavin Rees?

Anthony Joshua? Or too early?

I'd have Brook & Khan above Frampton.

And I say that as a big Frampton fan.

2 victories over Kiko Martinez doesn't trump Brook's American raid or Khan's wins over Judah, Malignaggi, Devon Alexander, Collazo, Kotelnik - all world champions at some point across two different weight classes.

Horse wrote:

freddydoesdallas wrote:Can't see how Groves makes it in ahead of Murray, Quigg, McDonnell & possibly even Saunders & Bellew.

Murray lost to the number one in the division, giving GGG his best workout. Quigg & McDonnell hold titles. BJS is going in the right direction cleaning up the right title and moving to world title level, Bellew is pretty similar level so it's a coin toss between them.

Froch is more proven than Golovkin and Groves did better against Froch than Murray did against Golovkin.

McDonnell's opposition has been poor since he beat Ceja almost 2 years ago. If he beats Kameda next month then he'll probably overtake Groves.

Quigg's record is not as good as Groves'. Quigg's and McDonnell's paper titles mean very little.

Saunders almost lost to Eubank Jr. Bellew hasn't beaten a top level cruiserweight yet.

freddydoesdallas wrote:I don't think Groves has done anything in recent years to warrant his place, if anything he has slipped.

Being competitive with Froch twice in recent years is enough to warrant his place.

But he LOST both fights and looked crap since.........

grub wrote:Would agree that Mitchell should be higher. Decent list overall though.

Happy Slapper wrote:Andy Lee should be above Afolabi.

I don't rate Korobov. I didn't think Lee beating him was a big deal.

If Lee beats Quillin this month then he will overtake Afolabi.

Switch hitter wrote:

Horse wrote:

freddydoesdallas wrote:Can't see how Groves makes it in ahead of Murray, Quigg, McDonnell & possibly even Saunders & Bellew.

Murray lost to the number one in the division, giving GGG his best workout. Quigg & McDonnell hold titles. BJS is going in the right direction cleaning up the right title and moving to world title level, Bellew is pretty similar level so it's a coin toss between them.

Froch is more proven than Golovkin and Groves did better against Froch than Murray did against Golovkin.

McDonnell's opposition has been poor since he beat Ceja almost 2 years ago. If he beats Kameda next month then he'll probably overtake Groves.

Quigg's record is not as good as Groves'. Quigg's and McDonnell's paper titles mean very little.

Saunders almost lost to Eubank Jr. Bellew hasn't beaten a top level cruiserweight yet.

freddydoesdallas wrote:I don't think Groves has done anything in recent years to warrant his place, if anything he has slipped.

Being competitive with Froch twice in recent years is enough to warrant his place.

But he LOST both fights and looked crap since.........

Not only lost he was stopped once and then ktfo second time. P4P surely his chin comes into question. Murray lasted longer against GGG whereas any good level SMW goes the distance with Froch

Horse wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:Butler should be above Hall, especially given he beat him relatively recently. Otherwise, good list

Their fight was very close and Hall was much more impressive against Caballero than Butler was against Tete.

After Butler got dominated and destroyed so easily I didn't think he deserved to be above Hall any more. I think Hall would do a lot better against Tete than Butler did.

I actually thought Hall beat Butler,by a point if I remember right,I still think Paul deserves to be above though but decent list

Switch hitter wrote:Once again Groves far too high....

He's not though.

cocka09 wrote:Good to see Frampton so high on the list. Why is Andy Lee on here?

Irish fighters are eligible for the list to avoid confusion about whether individual Northern Irish fighters should count as British or Irish.

palooka wrote:Where's Gavin Rees?

He dropped out.

I'd put Murray above DeGale and Groves one place below DeGale. Kevin Mitchell should be approx 19 / 20. Other than that the list gets a thumbs up from me.

It's hard to know where to place Ricky Burns at the moment. I think he's completely shot but one win could change everything.

Horse wrote:

cocka09 wrote:Good to see Frampton so high on the list. Why is Andy Lee on here?

Irish fighters are eligible for the list to avoid confusion about whether individual Northern Irish fighters should count as British or Irish.

I understand why Northern Irish fihters are included. But Andy Lee is Irish, he is not Britis in any way.