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Personally I don't think DG is all that, sure he's done well for himself at 140 but he honestly doesn't belong at 47, something I can say is that I rarely agree with Cheap Ass but in this case he's right.

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Personally I don't think DG is all that, sure he's done well for himself at 140 but he honestly doesn't belong at 47, something I can say is that I rarely agree with Cheap Ass but in this case he's right.

thanks brut hehe..... :)

he stays @ 140 gets beaten by TC or ducks .....goes to 147 gets beaten well take your pick

a lot of butthurt Puerto Ricans today too wow

I guess I am not getting it. Why not Garcia at 147? I think both him and Peterson will be fine. Garcia gets hated on a lot it seems, but he always finds a way to win. Got to give him some credit. He fought Matthysse and won a close fight too, something very few thought he would do. I think he does exceptionally well for having a trainer (his dad) that is probably keeping him from progressing further due to his lack of boxing knowledge. (imo)

Butt hurt PRico fans? They are butt hurt because Garcia won?

I don't think he'll be an elite 147 guy for certain. He's got some very obvious limitations in his game as Herrera and Peterson have shown. With the right matchmaking he can still "look good" there until he cashes out though, which I suspect will be the plan.

HitBattousai wrote:I don't think he'll be an elite 147 guy for certain. He's got some very obvious limitations in his game as Herrera and Peterson have shown. With the right matchmaking he can still "look good" there until he cashes out though, which I suspect will be the plan.

If Mayweather beats Pacquiao I believe Garcia will be the leading candidate
to fight Floyd in September.It looks good on paper.

i think it will all depend on his power as he moves up, i wouldn't be writing him off at this stage.

Maybe he's spent too long at 140, judging by his recent performances against Peterson and Herrera. He's only 27.

A move up to welter might just reignite the dynamic Garcia we saw several years ago.

He might not remain unbeaten in the 147 lb. ranks, but he'd certainly hang with most of those guys (He already KO'd Con).
I wouldn't write Garcia off at the higher weight.

I would. If he can get bullied like that with the biscuits at 140, the welterweights will do it worse. He got a lot to prove at 147

tiny_acres wrote:

HitBattousai wrote:I don't think he'll be an elite 147 guy for certain. He's got some very obvious limitations in his game as Herrera and Peterson have shown. With the right matchmaking he can still "look good" there until he cashes out though, which I suspect will be the plan.

If Mayweather beats Pacquiao I believe Garcia will be the leading candidate
to fight Floyd in September.It looks good on paper.

looks good on paper DD

Chepppaaa wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

HitBattousai wrote:I don't think he'll be an elite 147 guy for certain. He's got some very obvious limitations in his game as Herrera and Peterson have shown. With the right matchmaking he can still "look good" there until he cashes out though, which I suspect will be the plan.

If Mayweather beats Pacquiao I believe Garcia will be the leading candidate
to fight Floyd in September.It looks good on paper.

looks good on paper DD

30-0 vs 48-0 ?????
It will sell.It looks good to the general ppv buyer.

30-0 vs 48-0 ?????
It will sell.It looks good to the general ppv buyer.[/quote]

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to be honest, there are far better options, because since danny is not that much of a known fighters ppv would not make much sense,
i mean if you made 180.000.000 $ is only 1 fight, than either you are done and retire or you wanna make something that is financielly similar as big,
therefore money wise it would be pacquiao II, canelo II or cotto II. if we talk quality wise, than it would be lara, thurman, brook.

how many of floyd's opponents were big ppv stars?
floyd basically looks at the resumes and titles for more notches on his own career belt.
garcia is a perfect floyd opponent. complain all you want about how he wins, but garcia
has all wins over lots of top names. floyd makes money whoever he fights.
peterson is also moving up and it looks like Cuenca v Yang in macao for the IBF
140 belt peterson was just stripped of. garcia should be stripped, too
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12 ... orld-title

I think if garcia gives lp a rematch....lp wins hands down. Kinda like judah/spinks 2.....lp has garcia figured out.

Chepppaaa wrote:30-0 vs 48-0 ?????
It will sell.It looks good to the general ppv buyer.

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to be honest, there are far better options, because since danny is not that much of a known fighters ppv would not make much sense,
i mean if you made 180.000.000 $ is only 1 fight, than either you are done and retire or you wanna make something that is financielly similar as big,
therefore money wise it would be pacquiao II, canelo II or cotto II. if we talk quality wise, than it would be lara, thurman, brook.[/quote]

Unless Pac wins a second fight will not happen
Canello???? Golden boy will not allow this even if Floyd was generous enough to give him another one sided loss.
Cotto?? I do not see it happening but is a possibility.

Garcia is the logical choice for Floyd.No risk and the Showtime contract would be up after it.

sucracristo wrote:how many of floyd's opponents were big ppv stars?
floyd basically looks at the resumes and titles for more notches on his own career belt.
garcia is a perfect floyd opponent. complain all you want about how he wins, but garcia
has all wins over lots of top names. floyd makes money whoever he fights.
peterson is also moving up and it looks like Cuenca v Yang in macao for the IBF
140 belt peterson was just stripped of. garcia should be stripped, too
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12 ... orld-title

a lot were kown ppv stars. against those who werent like guerrero or maidana, floyd made poor ppv numbers. so, financielly is surely makes sense to fight a name opponent.

but thats not the main point, the main focus should be quality of the fight, quality of the opponent. danny is okay, but he is not on the level of thurman, brook, lara etc., he is simply quality wise not in the consideration of top guys like floyd and pac, someone who struggles and almost losses, some say lost against guys like peterson or herrera has no business being in the ring with elite.

tiny_acres wrote: Cotto?? I do not see it happening but is a possibility.

Garcia is the logical choice for Floyd.No risk and the Showtime contract would be up after it.

cotto's appeal to floyd would have been the strap. WBC gave cotto until june to defend and then
the winner must fight GGG, so there goes the strap. without the strap, cotto is just another guy
floyd already beat. floyd's next fight will not compare to pac, and many of floyd's other opponents
were not top draws, so i don't think cotto being a draw helps in the floyd lottery. floyd is the draw
and doesn't depend on anyone else to sell tix and doesn't want to have to negotiate with the
opponent. garcia would probably take less and seem like less of a threat with undefeated record
over lots of good names = perfect for floyd.

tiny_acres wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:30-0 vs 48-0 ?????
It will sell.It looks good to the general ppv buyer.

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to be honest, there are far better options, because since danny is not that much of a known fighters ppv would not make much sense,
i mean if you made 180.000.000 $ is only 1 fight, than either you are done and retire or you wanna make something that is financielly similar as big,
therefore money wise it would be pacquiao II, canelo II or cotto II. if we talk quality wise, than it would be lara, thurman, brook.

Unless Pac wins a second fight will not happen
Canello???? Golden boy will not allow this even if Floyd was generous enough to give him another one sided loss.
Cotto?? I do not see it happening but is a possibility.

Garcia is the logical choice for Floyd.No risk and the Showtime contract would be up after it.[/quote]


nonsense. dg brings not enough to the table and fans were sick of floyd fighting no names like guerrero or maidana, and this ended up with poor ppv numbers.

why would floyd fight danny, when he makes more against khan and twice as much against guys like canelo or cotto, but the most obvious would be pacquiao II.
cause regardless the outcome so many people would still love to see this fight again, simply because they are the biggest names in boxing. same like holyfied-tyson II, holyfield beat tyson easily, but holyfield-tyson happened again because back than there were like the biggest names in boxing, so why not do it again.

sucracristo wrote:

tiny_acres wrote: Cotto?? I do not see it happening but is a possibility.

Garcia is the logical choice for Floyd.No risk and the Showtime contract would be up after it.

cotto's appeal to floyd would have been the strap. WBC gave cotto until june to defend and then
the winner must fight GGG, so there goes the strap. without the strap, cotto is just another guy
floyd already beat. floyd's next fight will not compare to pac, and many of floyd's other opponents
were not top draws, so i don't think cotto being a draw helps in the floyd lottery. floyd is the draw
and doesn't depend on anyone else to sell tix and doesn't want to have to negotiate with the
opponent. garcia would probably take less and seem like less of a threat with undefeated record
over lots of good names = perfect for floyd.

you talk crap.

floyd is the top draw, but still needs famous opponents to make good ppv numbers, fans and showtime had enough of floyd making under 1 million buyssagainst no name opponents, floyd needs guys like canelo and pac to make big numbers, so dont act like floyd can do it all on his own.

Chepppaaa wrote: a lot were kown ppv stars. against those who werent like guerrero or maidana, floyd made poor ppv numbers. so, financielly is surely makes sense to fight a name opponent.

poor ppv numbers = the most ppv buyers of the entire year, flirting with a million for his worst fights.
his last 2 fights were with maidana, not a bigger name than garcia, but had belt taken from broner
canelo yes a ppv star
guerrero... nope, had the interim title under floyd's just won off berto
cotto, yeah genuine ppv fighter
ortiz, nope, but had taken berto's strap
floyd's biggest payday was against oscar and there was a mandatory rematch clause and floyd
retired rather than fight oscar again.
pac was his biggest payday for the past 5 years and he came up with lots of reasons not to take the fight.
floyd is all about his resume. he makes money whoever he fights and after pac nobody is going to
compare to that paycheck and the difference cotto could make him over garcia would be negligible,
but garcia would be a new undefeated name on his resume

sucracristo wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote: a lot were kown ppv stars. against those who werent like guerrero or maidana, floyd made poor ppv numbers. so, financielly is surely makes sense to fight a name opponent.

poor ppv numbers = the most ppv buyers of the entire year, flirting with a million for his worst fights.
his last 2 fights were with maidana, not a bigger name than garcia, but had belt taken from broner
canelo yes a ppv star
guerrero... nope, had the interim title under floyd's just won off berto
cotto, yeah genuine ppv fighter
ortiz, nope, but had taken berto's strap
floyd's biggest payday was against oscar and there was a mandatory rematch clause and floyd
retired rather than fight oscar again.
pac was his biggest payday for the past 5 years and he came up with lots of reasons not to take the fight.
floyd is all about his resume. he makes money whoever he fights and after pac nobody is going to
compare to that paycheck and the difference cotto could make him over garcia would be negligible,
but garcia would be a new undefeated name on his resume

his last 2 fights were against maidana made poor numbers and danny is as famous as maidana, so againt poor ppv numbers would be the endresult

I don't think the alarm bells are ringing quite yet when it comes to Garcia, he has a couple of recent performances that haven't show him in the brightest of light but it's nothing he can't fix.
He's been in at least 2 big meaningful fights against Amir Khan and Lucas Matthysse and won them both.
At this stage Danny is a solid boxer more than he is a puncher, the power he does have seems to originate more from a schooled student of the sport who places his punchers in certain areas rather than a hit and hope type.
He's not flawless because his all round style isn't fined tuned yet but he's earning a great deal of experience finding out.
He can be hurt but he's also shown himself to have reliable recovery reserves, Matthysse tested him and although Peterson got himself back in the fight last night in no way did I ever think Garcia was rocked to point of potential stoppage defeat.
Yes 147 will be a test and if the current weight he's boxing at is too hard on his body then there's no time like the present to move up, physically he looks capable of putting it on without too many problems.
At Welterweight he may have his hands full dealing with the power differential before his own weight concerns.
I'm just not throwing the towel in on Danny Garcia right away.