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And I am saying this not because one judge incorrectly scored the 3rd round only 10-9 for Quillen when he should have scored it 10-8.

I am saying this because, upon further review, the first round was a 10-7 round, not 10-8.

Quillen knocked Lee down twice in the first round.

The second time was at the end of the round, with Lee only staying on his feet because of the ropes.

If you are hit by a blow and only the ropes prevent you from going down, it should be counted as a KD.

You are wrong.

Horse wrote:You are wrong.

No, I am right. Here's the whole fight.

But, pay attention to the end of round one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DFBdzyksCM

I don't think so. Watching the end of the first Lee gets hit with a left hook, wobbles a bit but stays up, the bell rings while Quillin's throwing a jab, then Quillin lands other punches just AFTER the bell that arguably score another KD.

There's also nothing wrong with scoring the third 10-9 for Quillin if you think that Lee won the round apart from the KD, which I thought he clearly did.

koolkc107 wrote:one judge incorrectly scored the 3rd round

You are incorrect on this.

crusader wrote:I don't think so. Watching the end of the first Lee gets hit with a left hook, wobbles a bit but stays up, the bell rings while Quillin's throwing a jab, then Quillin lands other punches just AFTER the bell that arguably score another KD.

There's also nothing wrong with scoring the third 10-9 for Quillin if you think that Lee won the round apart from the KD, which I thought he clearly did.

The last punch Quillen threw, the one that would have put Lee on his keister if not for the corner post/ropes was thrown before the bell.

Incorrectly, it was not scored as a second KD.

I also think that you can score a round only 10-9 even with a KD, but only if the guy who was knocked down was dominant the rest of the round. That clearly wasn't the case in round 3.

I disagree. I've watched it several times and if I pause the video when the bell first sounds Quillin is throwing a jab and has yet to land the right hand and left hook that come next.

You are wrong about scoring and have given no evidence that the round can only be scored 10-9 if the dropped fighter was dominant. Lee rocked Quillin earlier in the round anyway and I thought he handily won the round apart from going down.

koolkc107 wrote:And I am saying this not because one judge incorrectly scored the 3rd round only 10-9 for Quillen when he should have scored it 10-8.

I am saying this because, upon further review, the first round was a 10-7 round, not 10-8.

Quillen knocked Lee down twice in the first round.

The second time was at the end of the round, with Lee only staying on his feet because of the ropes.

If you are hit by a blow and only the ropes prevent you from going down, it should be counted as a KD.

Don't be silly, be a good sport. We know you wanted Quillin to win.

Even Quillin himself gave full credit to Lee after the fight.

crusader wrote:I disagree. I've watched it several times and if I pause the video when the bell first sounds Quillin is throwing a jab and has yet to land the right hand and left hook that come next.

You are wrong about scoring and have given no evidence that the round can only be scored 10-9 if the dropped fighter was dominant. Lee rocked Quillin earlier in the round anyway and I thought he clearly got the better of the action apart from going down.

Actually, under the 10 point must system the round MUST be scored 10-8 because the Ref clearly ruled it a KD.

But my point, and the point of this thread is not about round 3 but round one.

The punch landed right before the bell rang.

Freedom2013 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:And I am saying this not because one judge incorrectly scored the 3rd round only 10-9 for Quillen when he should have scored it 10-8.

I am saying this because, upon further review, the first round was a 10-7 round, not 10-8.

Quillen knocked Lee down twice in the first round.

The second time was at the end of the round, with Lee only staying on his feet because of the ropes.

If you are hit by a blow and only the ropes prevent you from going down, it should be counted as a KD.

Don't be silly, be a good sport. We know you wanted Quillin to win.

Even Quillin himself gave full credit to Lee after the fight.

Actually, I am on record here as saying if he lost, he'd deserve it because he didn't make weight.

Lee kept his title, a draw was fair, and I couldn't be happier. Wonderful ending.

koolkc107 wrote:Actually, under the 10 point must system the round MUST be scored 10-8 because the Ref clearly ruled it a KD.

What? No. The round can also be scored 10-9.

koolkc107 wrote:

crusader wrote:I disagree. I've watched it several times and if I pause the video when the bell first sounds Quillin is throwing a jab and has yet to land the right hand and left hook that come next.

You are wrong about scoring and have given no evidence that the round can only be scored 10-9 if the dropped fighter was dominant. Lee rocked Quillin earlier in the round anyway and I thought he clearly got the better of the action apart from going down.

Actually, under the 10 point must system the round MUST be scored 10-8 because the Ref clearly ruled it a KD.

But my point, and the point of this thread is not about round 3 but round one.

The punch landed right before the bell rang.

No, the round doesn't have to be scored 10-8 and you've given no evidence to the contrary. A score of 10-9 fits with the 10 point must system by the way, since the winner of the round would still get 10 points.

Once again, I disagree with your take on the first round.

SFW wrote:Lee kept his title, a draw was fair, and I couldn't be happier. Wonderful ending.

Can't say I disagree.

But I see folks harping on the 3rd round so much (and a judge who went outside the rulebook to score a round) instead of paying attention to where the fight was really screwed up...in round 1.

As for scoring a KD round 10-9, folks need to enlighten me on what criteria has to be present in order to not follow the referee's instruction.

Because, if it is just about how a judge "feels" then he can ignore a severe beating and award a guy a round for the one nice jab he landed...

The judge didn't ignore the KD if he thought that Lee won the round apart from the KD yet still scored it for Quillin. I didn't think this would be hard to grasp.

Judging is largely about how judges 'feel' anyway given its subjective nature.

koolkc107 wrote:

SFW wrote:Lee kept his title, a draw was fair, and I couldn't be happier. Wonderful ending.

Can't say I disagree.

But I see folks harping on the 3rd round so much (and a judge who went outside the rulebook to score a round) instead of paying attention to where the fight was really screwed up...in round 1.

As for scoring a KD round 10-9, folks need to enlighten me on what criteria has to be present in order to not follow the referee's instruction.

Because, if it is just about how a judge "feels" then he can ignore a severe beating and award a guy a round for the one nice jab he landed...

You seem to be misunderstanding the 10 point must system, all that has to happen is one fighter must be scored 10 points, what the other fighter gets is down to the judgement of the officials. That round could have been scored 10-8 Quillin, 10-9 Quillin, 10-10 and 10-9 Lee, all of which would have been fair. A knockdown doesn't automatically mean it's a 10-8 round in any rulebook.

He does drop a point for the KD doesn't he? So it couldn't be 10-10?

crusader wrote:The judge didn't ignore the KD if he thought that Lee won the round apart from the KD yet still scored it for Quillin. I didn't think this would be hard to grasp.

Judging is largely about how judges 'feel' anyway given its subjective nature.

If he thought Lee won the round, then he should have scored it 10-9 for Lee.

Clearly, he scored it the way he did because he disregarded the KD.

I disagree. I think he probably thought that Lee generally got the better of the round but recognized the KD and thus scored the round 10-9 PQ to account for the ref's KD call. Knockdowns tend to be weighted heavily so in this case Quillin scoring a KD allows him to win the round but Lee's success is recognized by the one, rather than two, point disparity.

Yes, he was robbed by himself being pu$$y in the ring. He should have jumped on Lee after the first KD and finish him instead of waiting for 20 seconds before throwing more punches. He became even more cautious after Lee landed a few good shots later in the fight.

Yes, Quillin's output was lower than it should have been. He's generally been a guy who waits to pick spots, but in several rounds and especially after he was dropped he waited much too long. Maybe it was inactivity or weight issues, or both, but to me it seemed like he was more weary of what was coming back at him than he's ever been, which isn't surprising given how much harder Lee punches than his previous opponents.

I think it was a close enough fight that neither side should feel robbed. The draw actually seems like the most appropriate outcome to me.

However you feel about the KD situation I don't believe that played enough into how close the fight was anyway. Its still a close fight however you feel that shoulda went down scorecard-wise.

ikorolev wrote:Yes, he was robbed by himself being pu$$y in the ring.

Its boxing you f#cking moron. There are all sorts of strategies with boxing that don't involving running face first into your opposition winging punches like Rocky Balboa for 36 minutes. If you aren't knowledgeable enough about boxing to know various strategies can prove successful in the ring & that mixing up your game should be part of any high level boxers strategy as well, fair enough. I forgive my harsh comments due to your ignorance about boxing if that is in fact the case.

SNG wrote:He does drop a point for the KD doesn't he? So it couldn't be 10-10?

Without the knockdown Lee won the round IMO, knockdown makes it unlikely to be scored 10-9 in Lee's favour, but he clearly wasn't hurt and it wasn't a genuine knockdown, so I don't think it should be 10-8 or even 10-9 to Quillin, can't score it 9-9 so it would have to be 10-10 with Quillin gaining the point for the knockdown.

koolkc107 wrote:And I am saying this not because one judge incorrectly scored the 3rd round only 10-9 for Quillen when he should have scored it 10-8.

I am saying this because, upon further review, the first round was a 10-7 round, not 10-8.

Quillen knocked Lee down twice in the first round.

The second time was at the end of the round, with Lee only staying on his feet because of the ropes.

If you are hit by a blow and only the ropes prevent you from going down, it should be counted as a KD.

Are you Qullen's Cousin or something? You can't get credit for a punch that happens after the bell bud. In fact, some people actually get penalized for it and that punch was clearly after the bell sounded. Secondly, I'm so glad that one judge didn't score a 10-8 round in the third. I wish more judges scored like they did. It was clearly not a knockdown and since there is no instant replay in boxing (dumb that there isn't) it's a good weights and measure for a missed call by a ref. I think that a draw was a perfect decision in this one. Neither guy deserved to have their hand raised and that's why there was no stink made by either guy after the fight. Good job Boxing.