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People usually talk of trainer changes after a L, although I suspect many feel Danny gots a L or two unofficially already, but I can't help feeling that Danny would be better served long term by bringing on a higher level trainer then his dad. Don't even gotta fire dad just have him be the side trainer or w/e that gig is called if you don't wanna fire your dad, but I think at this point Danny is being held back by his fathers Teddy Atlas inspirational school of trainer quotables & the Robert Garcia get sh!t done school of training could be upping his game to better compete in a region of very competitive fights (140-147).

Big fan of Angel btw. His skills would probably best be served as Danny's hypeman. I do think he's a solid trainer, but he's not on the level that a world class guy like Danny should have to reach his maximum potential in the sport of boxing.

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I think Danny is peaking in terms of potential. I mean he is only 28 but I imagine that he won't be getting drastically better in the future. He wins but there isn't something specific that he excels at. He isn't slick defensively, he has decent power but nothing amazing, and he doesn't have blinding speed. He has got a good chin tho considering he got through Matthysse's bombs. He just above average at everything, which isn't a bad thing I suppose.

He doesn't need to ditch him per se, but he needs a guy that can tighten up his defense and his footwork.

This is his peak. He's a solid champion in a solid division.

yeah he gots a robbery or 2 on his record but it wasnt like he was blown out in those bouts, he was in both fights.

Yes definitely Danny is still young and all already has accomplished quite a bit.

His dad is limited hes taken him as far as he can.

I have no doubt that if Garcia hooks up with a top trainer he will find more success.

imo a dad as the head trainer is not the best situation. at times things will get too emotional and lines may get blurred. I have personally been way, way harder on my son than I would've done with anyone else. I eventually fired myself and brought in somebody else. as a dad it is hard to know when to back off. either the boxing will suffer and or the father/son relations will sufer

he doesn't need to ditch his dad but what reason could there possibly be not
to bring in someone who can contribute in any way, be it technique, strategy,
sparring, conditioning, matchmaking and paychecks, etc?
at that level you have no excuses if you are not your best because all the other
guys out there have to make do with what is available to them. garcia can
have any kind of team behind him he wants. hire the best

His father should take a chill pill and ask for some help even step aside and be more help on the management side of the game but I bet he won't

How can you knock a trainer that has an undefeated fighter? I have enjoyed watching these two come up from nothing to the very top of the game. Angel Garcia has done something VERY important for Danny that you can't tabulate numbers on. He has successfully transferred the attention to himself and off of Danny throughout his career. This is important because Danny Garcia was extremely shy of the camera and public growing up. Some kids get eaten up and spit out once they hit the bright lights if they are not ready for it. Not only has he taken that pressure off Danny but in the process, Danny ends up having to stick up for his Dad in the ring as a result. Bad blood is drawn and the fight becomes personal. Imagine if someone yelled at your Dad or said something cruel about him, wouldn't you have a chip on your shoulder to knock that guys teeth out? I know that i sure would.

I'm sure that Angel lacks in some training aspects but I feel that he gets Danny to dig deeper than anyone ever could. If I were Angel, I would get some more help in the corner but still remain chief second because i think without him, Danny will have a hard time fighting on with the heart he has shown in most fights. Angel has done an amazing job IMO.

caldo2025 wrote:How can you knock a trainer that has an undefeated fighter? I have enjoyed watching these two come up from nothing to the very top of the game. Angel Garcia has done something VERY important for Danny that you can't tabulate numbers on. He has successfully transferred the attention to himself and off of Danny throughout his career. This is important because Danny Garcia was extremely shy of the camera and public growing up. Some kids get eaten up and spit out once they hit the bright lights if they are not ready for it. Not only has he taken that pressure off Danny but in the process, Danny ends up having to stick up for his Dad in the ring as a result. Bad blood is drawn and the fight becomes personal. Imagine if someone yelled at your Dad or said something cruel about him, wouldn't you have a chip on your shoulder to knock that guys teeth out? I know that i sure would.

I'm sure that Angel lacks in some training aspects but I feel that he gets Danny to dig deeper than anyone ever could. If I were Angel, I would get some more help in the corner but still remain chief second because i think without him, Danny will have a hard time fighting on with the heart he has shown in most fights. Angel has done an amazing job IMO.

I think many would argue Danny deserves a L or two. He's certainly had some fights that, imho & I think many peoples opinions, shouldn't have been as close & could've arguably been won by either guy. And I've never been a fan of just waiting til you officially lose to start looking for a new training anyways. Why wait if there could be a trainer that would improve you & keep you undefeated longer? Waiting til you lose to ditch a lesser trainer for a better one is some old school boxing superstition type thing.

And I'm not saying Angel didn't do an amazing job. He's gotten his son to an extremely high level. That doesn't mean Danny couldn't be better served by working with someone else from here on with his dad still around as the secondary trainer.

Not sure how much credit Angel deserves, who were the other trainers Danny worked with or brought him up.. not knocking him, just curious of the the actual history there I'm not familiar.

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Just to throw something else into the pot, it might be that having his Dad as his coach might be the best for Garcia. Sure some trainers might be better overall, or at some particular things, but can they connect with Garcia in the same way to get the best out of him? It may be, and this is pure speculation, that the father-son relationship helps to an extent another trainer might not be able to get as much out of him. If this is correct it would lead to Garcia getting worse , not better.

ReggieDiggs wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:How can you knock a trainer that has an undefeated fighter? I have enjoyed watching these two come up from nothing to the very top of the game. Angel Garcia has done something VERY important for Danny that you can't tabulate numbers on. He has successfully transferred the attention to himself and off of Danny throughout his career. This is important because Danny Garcia was extremely shy of the camera and public growing up. Some kids get eaten up and spit out once they hit the bright lights if they are not ready for it. Not only has he taken that pressure off Danny but in the process, Danny ends up having to stick up for his Dad in the ring as a result. Bad blood is drawn and the fight becomes personal. Imagine if someone yelled at your Dad or said something cruel about him, wouldn't you have a chip on your shoulder to knock that guys teeth out? I know that i sure would.

I'm sure that Angel lacks in some training aspects but I feel that he gets Danny to dig deeper than anyone ever could. If I were Angel, I would get some more help in the corner but still remain chief second because i think without him, Danny will have a hard time fighting on with the heart he has shown in most fights. Angel has done an amazing job IMO.

I think many would argue Danny deserves a L or two. He's certainly had some fights that, imho & I think many peoples opinions, shouldn't have been as close & could've arguably been won by either guy. And I've never been a fan of just waiting til you officially lose to start looking for a new training anyways. Why wait if there could be a trainer that would improve you & keep you undefeated longer? Waiting til you lose to ditch a lesser trainer for a better one is some old school boxing superstition type thing.

And I'm not saying Angel didn't do an amazing job. He's gotten his son to an extremely high level. That doesn't mean Danny couldn't be better served by working with someone else from here on with his dad still around as the secondary trainer.

I disagree completely. Once boxers arrive at an elite level, their input is all that matters. Trainers have the best effect on up and coming boxers or boxers that haven't fulfilled their potential by employing inferior management. Danny Garcia is and has been one of Boxing's elite fighters for the last 5 years. He's had some enormous victories and Angel has been pushing Danny's will in these bouts and challenging him in the corner like no one else could. Just look at what he did to Matthysse? No one wanted to fight Matthysse because he was a terror. He had knocked down every fighter he ever fought and was mowing everyone down. Angel was amazing in his corner that night after starting slow and looking scared. Angel has a gift and he knows his fighter better than anyone. He knew Danny wasn't using his legs on power punches and he noticed it when the announcers didn't and it turned that fight around and put Matthysse on the canvas securing him the win. Some would argue that Matthysse hasn't been the same since that fight and tonight we will see how much Danny beat out of Matthysse that night.

Look at Floyd's Trainers all these years. 2 guys that can barely speak. Roger and Senior have tried and failed with training every other fighter that they took on. Name one successful fighter they've been in the corner for? Senior took Ricky Hatton into the Manny fight and i'm pretty sure he had no effect. Roy Jones Sr. built his Son up to be one of the all time greats and was undefeated with him. Roy Jones Jr started losing after dropping his Dad as his trainer. Eventually he came back to his Dad after these failings. Sugar Shane Mosely and his Dad were great together until the Son thought he could do it without him so he grabbed the best trainer he could and was never the same, losing almost every big fight he's been in since.

I'm not saying that this is the way to go for every fighter. I just think that it's extremely risky to change a trainer in the midst of an undefeated champion boxer in his prime. Probably the best case in point is James Kirkland. Anne Wolf was not his Mother but she was somewhat of a parental, guiding influence in James Kirkland's life since a youth. She built him into an undefeated seven figure payday prize fighter while trying to keep him out of prison. James Kirkland dropped thinking that he didn't need her anymore and look what happened. He gets knocked out in the first round by a chump in his very first fight without her. He goes back with her after taking some time off and demolishes a huge prospect on the rise, Glen Tapia, and gets another chance for big money with a fight against Alvarez soon. He drops her again and is working with a new trainer for this fight, his biggest fight. If i were a betting man, I'd put everything I had on Alvarez for an early KO. If Wolf was in Kirkland's corner though, my money would be going the other way.

So I really think that there's a better case against your suggestion than for it. I'm not saying that i successfully made that case but there are people smarter than me that can illustrated this better. Angel Garcia just might make it into the HOF someday not only for the job he did in his Son's corner but being such a great character to the sport. I've never seen a trainer take over a press conference like this guy and i do enjoy his act.

According to Oscar DLH, he said Floyd Sr. was by far the best trainer he has ever had. I don't even know (or care) what time period or fights he trained him for. Yes, he doesn't speak that well, but he is the one that taught Floyd boxing at a young age, so you have to give him credit. Roach is good too, but the thing he criticizes other trainers for he lacks himself...cutting off the ring for example. He said this is the first time Manny has ever watched tape of an upcoming opponent? Wow, I was surprised at that. Roach is a better offensive trainer than defensive, imo.

As far as DG and his dad, I have said before that he needs a different trainer to fine tune some of his skills to get better. You have to give his dad credit though for bringing him to a level most boxers never get to. Dads as coaches can be a great thing, but like some have said here emotions can also be a detriment at times. Its a hard thing for a boxer to tell their ole man they need someone else to help them.