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Ran across this video today.

Makes some very interesting points.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iUhzUl48to

yah, unique, no dude name'a Hopkins ever did anything like it.

Similar to tai chi chaun fighting methods. Make contact and maintain it till you can unbalance/disrupt using leverage.

Counter-puncher wrote:yah, unique, no dude name'a Hopkins ever did anything like it.

Another great defensive guy.

I think you can watch tape of a prime James Toney doing similar things.

koolkc107 wrote:Ran across this video today.

Makes some very interesting points.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iUhzUl48to

interesting stuff, thanks

What a smarmy sounding tit.

I love it, floyds got style like that old guy shooting hoops at the ymca who you can never beat because he's just crafty

That clip simply illustrates the illegal tactic of pushing off with his elbows that he never is punished for. I hope that Roach makes the ref aware before the start of the fight of the illegal use of elbows Floyd always employs in his fights.

Baby Face Finster wrote:That clip simply illustrates the illegal tactic of pushing off with his elbows that he never is punished for. I hope that Roach makes the ref aware before the start of the fight of the illegal use of elbows Floyd always employs in his fights.

First of all, Floyd is not the only fighter who does stuff with forearms and elbows.

And clearly, none of it has been blatant enough for a referee to come anywhere near close to penalizing him.

If he does start doing it where it is a main tactic, he should get points deducted but apparently his guile has not risen to that level yet.

But, I must ask: Is that all you see? Just elbows?

The craftiness of what he does just flies right by you?

Sad.

PS: Here's some footage of another defensive master.

Let's see what you think of some of his tactics...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZxF-4P1ng

Baby Face Finster wrote:That clip simply illustrates the illegal tactic of pushing off with his elbows that he never is punished for. I hope that Roach makes the ref aware before the start of the fight of the illegal use of elbows Floyd always employs in his fights.

Yup. "Sticky punches"... who makes this shit up?

Ricky_ wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That clip simply illustrates the illegal tactic of pushing off with his elbows that he never is punished for. I hope that Roach makes the ref aware before the start of the fight of the illegal use of elbows Floyd always employs in his fights.

Yup. "Sticky punches"... who makes this poo up?

Brute's alter ego apparently.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That clip simply illustrates the illegal tactic of pushing off with his elbows that he never is punished for. I hope that Roach makes the ref aware before the start of the fight of the illegal use of elbows Floyd always employs in his fights.

Yup. "Sticky punches"... who makes this poo up?

Brute's alter ego apparently.

You think ?

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Teddy's Toupee wrote:What a smarmy sounding tit.

He sounds like he should narrate Zeitgeist.

My feeling is that they can try to break Floyd down in a million videos but will never capture the reason that he's so great but it's an interesting video and good take. This fight is so hard to predict what each fighter will use for their tactic of choice. It's very rare when you have a bout in which each of the boxers are facing the best fighter they've ever faced before. Think about how rare that is.

Will Floyd's assets be affected by the Speed/Power that Manny brings to the table? What about the Southpaw Factor? Will the sticky punching, which is completely legal btw so don't be silly, be affected by the left hand position. From all reports i've seen, Floyd has gone out of his way to avoid having to fight a speedy southpaw. My feeling is that Floyd will need a few rounds to figure out how to gain the advantage but it will eventually happen.

Will the size difference be more of a factor than most consider? The reach and height difference is glaring and must be considered a knock against Manny's chances. What about Manny's defense? I know people rave about his footwork but Manny sure does get hit a lot with clean blows. He's got a terrific chin but no one is more of a sharp shooter than Floyd.

Floyd has that sneaky surprising straight right that he lulls boxers into. It's like a mini superman punch in MMA and against a southpaw, this punch is going to be the key for Floyd in this fight against an easy to hit Manny. Here's the punch that i'm talking about and please excuse the Asian telecast but the content of the video references the punch that I think will win Floyd this fight. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_EJ8O6D0E

caldo2025 wrote:My feeling is that they can try to break Floyd down in a million videos but will never capture the reason that he's so great but it's an interesting video and good take. This fight is so hard to predict what each fighter will use for their tactic of choice. It's very rare when you have a bout in which each of the boxers are facing the best fighter they've ever faced before. Think about how rare that is.

Will Floyd's assets be affected by the Speed/Power that Manny brings to the table? What about the Southpaw Factor? Will the sticky punching, which is completely legal btw so don't be silly, be affected by the left hand position. From all reports i've seen, Floyd has gone out of his way to avoid having to fight a speedy southpaw. My feeling is that Floyd will need a few rounds to figure out how to gain the advantage but it will eventually happen.

Will the size difference be more of a factor than most consider? The reach and height difference is glaring and must be considered a knock against Manny's chances. What about Manny's defense? I know people rave about his footwork but Manny sure does get hit a lot with clean blows. He's got a terrific chin but no one is more of a sharp shooter than Floyd.

Floyd has that sneaky surprising straight right that he lulls boxers into. It's like a mini superman punch in MMA and against a southpaw, this punch is going to be the key for Floyd in this fight against an easy to hit Manny. Here's the punch that i'm talking about and please excuse the Asian telecast but the content of the video references the punch that I think will win Floyd this fight. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_EJ8O6D0E

Name the "SPEEDY" southpaws that Floyd has gone out of his way to not fight please?? We're waiting....................................

Name the "SPEEDY" southpaws that Floyd has gone out of his way to not fight please?? We're waiting....................................

How about before I do that, why don't you name me one speedy southpaw he has fought in his career??? We're waiting.........................


PS-I've read from numerous members of Floyd's former promotion companies that before they would start searching for Floyd's next opponent, they would ask him for some input on what type of fighter he would prefer. Floyd's typical reply was to avoid any southpaws with speed and it's a fact, not opinion. Bob Arum and Oscar have said this in the press and Floyd has not pointed it out as incorrect or challenged it in any way.

So name a fast southpaw he's fought? Guerrero? lol. Zab Juda? He gave Floyd a hell of a fight too so that might give you a little cause or worry but Juda is junk. Everyone's beaten him on the way up. I can't find any, sorry.

Floyd is using head control, it's a very intelligent tactic that's been in boxing for a very long time. Ali used it, Ray Robinson used it, Jack Johnson was the master of it, Hopkins, Toney, Leonard.. They all learned the craft of head control to get their opponent out of position. But when Floyd does it, it's illegal.. Look clown shoes, he's not striking with his forearms and elbows, he's using it as a way to control his opponents head to get them out of position and it's a old school boxing tactic that most trainers simply don't teach anymore but most all greats used it. Sometimes I wonder if some of you know a damn thing about boxing, it's funny you'll criticize a fighter you don't care for doing one thing and then be like oh he doesn't compare to the past greats and he's a cheater for doing the same thing the past greats used to do. It's called intelligent boxing, but there's not a lot of intelligence around here so I'm sure it's not processing through a lot of the feeble minds around these parts.

NateJR wrote:Floyd is using head control, it's a very intelligent tactic that's been in boxing for a very long time. Ali used it, Ray Robinson used it, Jack Johnson was the master of it, Hopkins, Toney, Leonard.. They all learned the craft of head control to get their opponent out of position. But when Floyd does it, it's illegal.. Look clown shoes, he's not striking with his forearms and elbows, he's using it as a way to control his opponents head to get them out of position and it's a old school boxing tactic that most trainers simply don't teach anymore but most all greats used it. Sometimes I wonder if some of you know a damn thing about boxing, it's funny you'll criticize a fighter you don't care for doing one thing and then be like oh he doesn't compare to the past greats and he's a cheater for doing the same thing the past greats used to do. It's called intelligent boxing, but there's not a lot of intelligence around here so I'm sure it's not processing through a lot of the feeble minds around these parts.

Well said Nate.

NateJR wrote:Floyd is using head control, it's a very intelligent tactic that's been in boxing for a very long time. Ali used it, Ray Robinson used it, Jack Johnson was the master of it, Hopkins, Toney, Leonard.. They all learned the craft of head control to get their opponent out of position. But when Floyd does it, it's illegal.. Look clown shoes, he's not striking with his forearms and elbows, he's using it as a way to control his opponents head to get them out of position and it's a old school boxing tactic that most trainers simply don't teach anymore but most all greats used it. Sometimes I wonder if some of you know a damn thing about boxing, it's funny you'll criticize a fighter you don't care for doing one thing and then be like oh he doesn't compare to the past greats and he's a cheater for doing the same thing the past greats used to do. It's called intelligent boxing, but there's not a lot of intelligence around here so I'm sure it's not processing through a lot of the feeble minds around these parts.

Exactly.

I even went as far as posting footage of Willie Pep doing some of the same things, although Willie had his own style.

You can't tell some folks anything tho. SMH

That's funny, all the sanctioning bodies disagree with you, pressing, pushing with elbows and or forearms is a foul as stated in their rules, check it out in the wba rules on fouls or the wbc rules, it's there in black and whiteOUTLINE OF COMMON FOULS

There are many fouls in boxing. However, the three most obvious fouls are Headbutting, Holding and Low Blows.

1. HEADBUTTING



This is a very serious foul that often produces a cut and or a damaging head blow.



This occurs when the head is brought forward beyond the leading foot and the gloves. The head then swings side to side or up and down without the gloves being in front.

Referees are reminded that the WBA rule regarding accidental headbutts that produce a cut dictate that the Referee will instruct the Judges to deduct one point from the unhurt boxer.



In the event that both boxers are cut, regardless of the severity of the cuts, the Referee will instruct the Judges to deduct one point from BOTH boxers. This action will officially document the headbutt.



In the event that the headbutt was intentional, the Referee will instruct the Judges to deduct two (2) points from the unhurt boxer. At his discretion, the Referee may disqualify the offending boxer.



The Referee will also take appropriate action if the hurt boxer cannot continue at that moment or later on during the bout.

Referees are strongly advised to review this rule closely and follow the exact procedure to assure that not only the bout officials know their decision, but that no boxer gains an unfair advantage.



Suitable hand signal: Tap the top of your head with your hand and mimic the head movement.

2. LOW BLOW/HITTING BELOW THE BELT



It is critical to know that the waistline is defined as the imaginary horizontal line through the navel to the top of the hips. This is so regardless of where the boxer places his trunks and or protector cup. The Referee should establish the waistline at center ring in his final instructions.



The rules state that the bout cannot end as a result of a low blow because it is deemed that the foul protector cup is sufficient to withstand any blow. However, it is clear that this is a very debilitating blow that should be admonished and at times penalized. The discretion of the Referee is paramount.



Any blow that lands below the established waistline is a foul.



A Referee should watch for blows that are parried and land below the belt. This is not a foul. Referees will also watch for boxers who may turn or move suddenly causing the opponent’s blow to land low. This is not a foul either.



WBA rules state that a boxer that is hurt by a low blow will have up to five (5) minutes to recover. If the boxer does not resume fighting after this time period, he will lose the bout by TKO.



It is advisable for the Referee to discreetly encourage the hurt boxer to resume fighting as soon as possible. A full five (5) minute stop in the action will stymie the natural flow of the bout and quite possibly affect its natural outcome. However, one should keep in mind that the boxer is entitled to the full five (5) minute recovery period if he desires it.

Suitable hand signal: Point to the area where the blow landed. Then, with your hand palm up, move it upward.

3. HOLDING



This is one of the most obvious poor tactics in the sport of boxing. It not only infuriates the fans, but it negates action during the bout. Therefore, it should be addressed accordingly.



This foul occurs in various forms. A boxer may hold his opponent’s arms, hands, body or shoulders with either of his hands or arms.

At times, the holding boxer is not to blame as when one boxer pushes or leans on his opponent and the latter loses balance and holds on.



It should be noted that when one of the boxers pushes his arms underneath the arms of his opponent, does not withdraw them, and his opponent then delivers blows, the Referee should not interrupt this counter attack, but rather admonish the boxer pushing his arms underneath.



Suitable hand signal: Mimic the type of holding, clenching or wrestling.



4. BLOW ON THE BACK OF THE HEAD



This is very dangerous. It may occur as a result of a boxer moving irregularly or when hooks are delivered. The blow then tends to land on the back of the neck more frequently.



The blow may also be given as a ‘tap’ for intimidation purposes. It is still a foul and poor sportsmanship and should be dealt with accordingly.



If a boxer delivers a blow and his opponent turns at the last moment, the boxer delivering the blow should not be penalized. Boxers with poor technique also usually deliver these blows. Referees should also keep an eye for these fouls when one of the boxers is a southpaw.



Suitable hand signal: With your hand, tap the back of your head.



5. HITTING ON THE BACK



This is commonly referred to as a kidney punch. It is very harmful. Referees should be aware that at times the blow lands on the back and hurts a boxer by his own movement, i.e. the boxer twisting or turning his body suddenly and then being struck by a blow.

Suitable hand signal: With your hand, tap the part of the back that was hit.

6. HITTING THE OPPONENT AT THE COMMAND OF BREAK, TIME, OR AT THE SOUND OF THE BELL



It is important to move closer to the boxers when you are about to call Time, Break, or at the end of the round. An immediate verbal command and your presence may prevent a late hit.



Again, secure a safe distance, get in a good squared position to the boxers and importantly, leave fear at home.

The Referee should make a habit of consistently being in good position at the sound of the bell to end the round. Good positioning will start at the sound of the hammer signaling that there are ten seconds left in the round. Make it a habit to call out “Time!” at the end of each round and accompany this command with a hand signal.



If you are in good position and there is action after the bell, both your verbal command and hand signal will promote a cease to the action. Also, your positioning and actions will be clearly seen on videotape in case there is a controversy.



It is important to inform the boxers in the dressing room of exactly what you will do in these situations and most importantly, what is expected of them.



Suitable hand signal: Call out Time or Break and strike an open hand with a closed fist. If at the bell, explain.

7. HITTING AN OPPONENT WHILE HE IS DOWN



This is a serious harmful foul that usually occurs when an opponent is already hurt. The Referee should be aware that most times this blow comes as part of a combination of blows. Nevertheless, it is still a foul and should be immediately addressed as it may call for a deduction of points or disqualification.

In this situation the Referee will immediately call “Time!” and signal to the Timekeeper to start the clock for (5) five minutes. The Referee will then notify the Supervisor and Commission Table that a foul has occurred and what he intends to do.



Suitable hand signal: With your index finger point to the ground and strike an open hand with your fist.



8. TREADING ON THE TOES



Although not as common as other fouls, this is a foul that can lead to an injury and it should be admonished. This usually occurs in infighting and many times it is flagrant. This may also occur as a result of boxers who use different stances.



Suitable hand signal: With your index finger point to your feet and step one foot with the other.



9. STRIKING WITH THE KNEE



Suitable hand signal: Touch the knee and mimic the violation.



10. HITTING/PRESSING WITH THE ELBOW OR FOREARM

Suitable hand signal: With your hand, tap the elbow or forearm and move it forward slightly.



11. PULLING/HOLDING AND HITTING

Number 10 should clear that up

NateJR wrote:Floyd is using head control, it's a very intelligent tactic that's been in boxing for a very long time. Ali used it, Ray Robinson used it, Jack Johnson was the master of it, Hopkins, Toney, Leonard.. They all learned the craft of head control to get their opponent out of position. But when Floyd does it, it's illegal.. Look clown shoes, he's not striking with his forearms and elbows, he's using it as a way to control his opponents head to get them out of position and it's a old school boxing tactic that most trainers simply don't teach anymore but most all greats used it. Sometimes I wonder if some of you know a damn thing about boxing, it's funny you'll criticize a fighter you don't care for doing one thing and then be like oh he doesn't compare to the past greats and he's a cheater for doing the same thing the past greats used to do. It's called intelligent boxing, but there's not a lot of intelligence around here so I'm sure it's not processing through a lot of the feeble minds around these parts.

caldo2025 wrote:

Name the "SPEEDY" southpaws that Floyd has gone out of his way to not fight please?? We're waiting....................................

How about before I do that, why don't you name me one speedy southpaw he has fought in his career??? We're waiting.........................


PS-I've read from numerous members of Floyd's former promotion companies that before they would start searching for Floyd's next opponent, they would ask him for some input on what type of fighter he would prefer. Floyd's typical reply was to avoid any southpaws with speed and it's a fact, not opinion. Bob Arum and Oscar have said this in the press and Floyd has not pointed it out as incorrect or challenged it in any way.

So name a fast southpaw he's fought? Guerrero? lol. Zab Juda? He gave Floyd a hell of a fight too so that might give you a little cause or worry but Juda is junk. Everyone's beaten him on the way up. I can't find any, sorry.

How about you name the Speedy Southpaws first and then I will tell you the answer to your question??

We're waiting for the names of those speedy southpaws.........................................................................................................................................

He doesn't like anyone who is fast, they pose danger to him, he worries about his health, that's why he fought Maidana when his fans voted for him to fight khan, quite obvious

How about you name the Speedy Southpaws first and then I will tell you the answer to your question??

We're waiting for the names of those speedy southpaws.........................................................................................................................................

The most obvious Southpaw he's been frightened from is right in front of your face, Dope. Manny. Manny had a create commercials showing how much of a pussy Floyd was to get him into the ring. EVERYONE knows that he was waiting for Manny to show some signs of slowing down before ever taking the fight. Sergio Martinez had been trying to get Floyd in the ring for years but Floyd wouldn't even consider it and Sergio presented it at a catchweight and Floyd still showed no interest. Lara as challenged him, nothing. They tried to get him to consider a fight against Winky Wright back in the day, no go. I could keep going but not a huge fan of beating a dead dog.

So now you tell me about the vast list of deadly southpaws Floyd as slain in his 47 fights? Come on Hero? Take your nose out of Floyd's ass for a breath of clean air and respond if you can. Can't wait to hear this garbage.

caldo2025 wrote:

How about you name the Speedy Southpaws first and then I will tell you the answer to your question??

We're waiting for the names of those speedy southpaws.........................................................................................................................................

The most obvious Southpaw he's been frightened from is right in front of your face, Dope. Manny. Manny had a create commercials showing how much of a pussy Floyd was to get him into the ring. EVERYONE knows that he was waiting for Manny to show some signs of slowing down before ever taking the fight. Sergio Martinez had been trying to get Floyd in the ring for years but Floyd wouldn't even consider it and Sergio presented it at a catchweight and Floyd still showed no interest. Lara as challenged him, nothing. They tried to get him to consider a fight against Winky Wright back in the day, no go. I could keep going but not a huge fan of beating a dead dog.

So now you tell me about the vast list of deadly southpaws Floyd as slain in his 47 fights? Come on Hero? Take your nose out of Floyd's ass for a breath of clean air and respond if you can. Can't wait to hear this garbage.

LOL to you using Manny's commercial as evidence of the supposed ducking claim you are making, you are no more than a nutsucking Weenie and a comical one at that.

Everyone knows Pacquiao DUCKED, the facts are here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--fl ... fight.html

^^^^^^^Looks like Manny is the one ducking^^^^^^^^^^^^^

When did Floyd have LEGAL negotiations with any of the fighters you've mentioned?? Did they sit down with their Lawyers and Promoters to arrange a Fight Contract???

We're waiting to hear this one for sure......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................