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Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 01:14**

Floyd's NATURAL reaction is to go backwards nowadays IF his opponent likes to come forward. Manny comes forward faster than anyone Mayweather has ever faced. That's just a fact. Floyd isn't going to have an opportunity to really come forward and trying to counter Manny with one shot with his weight on his back foot and not having any momentum coming forward is not going to win him this fight. In a nutshell, Floyd is going to have to fight like he did @ 130 lbs. to win this fight OR, he's going to have to spend more time with his weight on his left side shooting left hooks to the body and counter left uppercuts when Manny is coming straight in with his straight punches. But, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks so I expect Mayweather to get pushed along the ropes for most of the fight and I expect that he thinks he'll win by countering Manny's offense off of the ropes but he will not.

Floyd needs to spend less time on his right side, period. This is the perfect fight for him to utilize lots of jabs, left hooks, and left uppercuts with momentum shifting to his left side. Pac likes to attack in a straight line and is best at it when he has a second to set himself and then he springs forward with a combination. He gets sloppy and off balance at times when he is forced to chase or deviate from this straight line of attacking. As an example, there were plenty of opportunities to counter him in the Algieri fight but Chris was too busy running and couldn't readjust himself to land shots when Manny was out of his comfort zone of striking in a straight line. Manny simply does not circle his opponents to the right side in any kind of traditional way, and Floyd should take advantage of that. For instance, Manny isn't going to attack Floyd in a half circle motion from the right side with any kind of attack for the most part. He likes that straight line drive where his opponent is right in front of him. Floyd likes to throw that lead right hand and let his momentum carry him to the right. This is a mistake--especially against a southpaw. If Floyd throws that shot, he needs to end up on his left side. Another thing, Manny isn't some kind of defensive juggernaut. When his opponent attacks him, they typically have success. Manny's defense largely consists of him putting his gloves up and waiting it out. He's not great at slipping punches or adjusting his body to avoid punches. A perfect opportunity for Floyd to be first and stagnate what Manny wants to do."

The onus is on Floyd in this fight. Manny is going to do what Manny does. It's all going to depend on how Floyd reacts to what Manny does. IMO, Floyd can't become stagnant on the ropes like he's had a habit of doing in recent years because Manny will just throw multiple combinations at him. Being stuck in the turtle shell all night long against the ropes is not a good look for Floyd in this fight. I believe he is going to have to shift his weight from his right foot onto his left foot should he get into this situation and throw more left hooks to the body and left uppercuts. Just throwing the occasional right cross counter off of the ropes is not going to win him rounds in this scenario. Even if Manny's combinations do not land when Floyd is on the ropes it won't matter because if Floyd isn't countering back, Manny will accumulate points and that alone will win him rounds.

How is Floyd going to react to someone throwing 4-5-6 punch combinations at him all night long? Manny likes to be first. That's what his whole game is predicated on. And Floyd's game is predicated on counter punching. I'm not sure that's the right game plan for Floyd. Is Floyd going to be willing to throw 'with' Manny? I'm not confident Floyd's pot shot lead right hands are going to do the trick in this fight in the center of the ring. Even if Floyd is able to time Manny when Manny likes to bounce up and down like he likes to do. Manny's speed has not diminished but Floyd's has. Even if Floyd does throw that right hand--and lands it--Manny will be right there to follow up with a counter and likely from an unorthodox angle.

Floyd is going to have to jab in this fight and move around and be first. Can he do that effectively for 12 rounds? I honestly don't think he can. And, something I've alluded to in the past--I think Floyd is to the point in his career where he has been overtraining. I think by the time fight night rolls around, he's running on fumes. I blame this on old methodology but if Floyd is willing to listen to Ariza, then who knows.

I see Floyd getting hit more than ever in this fight. I actually think he'll look overwhelmed at times. I used to not feel this way about this matchup, but, I think Floyd's skills have eroded more than Manny's has. If Canelo and Maidana can both earn MD losses, there's no doubt in my mind that Manny can get an MD win.

And if Manny does win, Floyd will look back at his career and he'll come to the realization that he should've fought Manny back in 2010 when he was a more effective fighter. Basically, he'll look back on this whole long drawn out charade as a mistake."

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 08:56**

If JMM could catch Manny with a straight right hand going backward , i think Floyd can catch him twice..

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 09:12**

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Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 09:34**

Cloutov wrote:If JMM could catch Manny with a straight right hand going backward , i think Floyd can catch him twice..

I agree but how many rounds did it take for Marquez to find that punch?

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 09:45**

95gerog wrote:
Cloutov wrote:If JMM could catch Manny with a straight right hand going backward , i think Floyd can catch him twice..
I agree but how many rounds did it take for Marquez to find that punch?

Almost half a foot reach advantage.

If the reflexes and hand speed are similar, it is going to be a long night for Manny

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 10:14**

I would say it ll take between 3-4 rounds before Floyd start connecting regulary with that straight right hand. Also pretty sure he is aware of every aspect of Manny s offensive charge. The plan will be to capitalize on every mistake he does. By round 9 or so Manny will move around and will no more go straight forward and he will lose everything that could of win him the fight

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 11:30**

95gerog wrote:
Cloutov wrote:If JMM could catch Manny with a straight right hand going backward , i think Floyd can catch him twice..
I agree but how many rounds did it take for Marquez to find that punch?

Go look at all the fights they had and you'll see JMM landing that punch more than enough, the other thing not taken in account is that Floyd has a longer reach and is much taller than JMM and is as fast/if not faster than Manny.

I laugh when people come here quoting the same crap that the Hater/Sell-out Tyson has been saying about Floyd being hit more than ever and using that as the reason they think Manny is going to win.

Floyd has the best defense in boxing, he doesn't get hit that much and rarely does he get hit cleanly, I see nothing changing about how he will fight vs the likes of a smaller man with a shorter reach.

You think JMM looked bad vs Mayweather, wait and see what he does to Pacquiao.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 11:41**

Cloutov wrote:If JMM could catch Manny with a straight right hand going backward , i think Floyd can catch him twice..

i think marquez' motivation, or even desperation,
made him take a lot of risk with his counters. and
while, as you say, floyd can do that, i am sure
he won't. he wants to win and doesn't care about
the KO, while juan thought a KO is the only way
he can win.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 11:45**

man wrote:
Cloutov wrote:If JMM could catch Manny with a straight right hand going backward , i think Floyd can catch him twice..
i think marquez' motivation, or even desperation,
made him take a lot of risk with his counters. and
while, as you say, floyd can do that, i am sure
he won't. he wants to win and doesn't care about
the KO, while juan thought a KO is the only way
he can win.

I LOL when I read this crap about JMM taking "risks" because he was fighting the only way he knows how, Floyd is versatile; he doesn't have to put himself in harm's way to get his shots off.

None of us really knows what JMM was actually thinking, he has already outboxed Manny before in 3 previous bouts so he never really needed to KO him to win, the problem was that he wasn't going to be given a decision over the more popular fighter even when he won the fights.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 11:50**

if i was freddie i would consider changing the plan
intentionally around round seven or eight. make floyd
believe he has figured things out and then change
the plan. one thing to bear in mind with floyd: what
worked early will not work later.

i believe the reason why maidana did better than
canelo was that floyd's boxing brain could not figure
out some of the absurdity of his opponent, like these
vertical hooks. not that the were terribly effective
by themselves, but they kept floyd's brain busy.

castillo, oscar, shane and maidana couldn't close the
deal, but they showed that floyd is not ... invincible.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 11:53**

KBB wrote:I LOL when I read this crap about JMM taking "risks" because he was fighting the only way he knows how, Floyd is versatile; he doesn't have to put himself in harm's way to get his shots off.

None of us really knows what JMM was actually thinking, he has already outboxed Manny before in 3 previous bouts so he never really needed to KO him to win, the problem was that he wasn't going to be given a decision over the more popular fighter even when he won the fights.

one of the less intelligent posts in recent decades.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 11:59**

Both are past their best. But Pac has never looked that great above 135. He's still been good enough to beat a lot of top contenders. But his power has visibly less effect on anyone at 140+ The blow out of Hatton was great but other than that it's a case of diminishing returns.

He's at a disadvantage in size. Mayweather is also more versatile. He has more than one way to win.

Pac's best chance is to win on sheer volume and not get dropped. I can imagine him winning but it's a long shot.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 12:08**

man wrote:one of the less intelligent posts in recent decades.

Oh I get it, when someone doesn't agree with your stupid post then their post is less intelligent....got it.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 12:10**

man wrote:if i was freddie i would consider changing the plan
intentionally around round seven or eight. make floyd
believe he has figured things out and then change
the plan. one thing to bear in mind with floyd: what
worked early will not work later.

i believe the reason why maidana did better than
canelo was that floyd's boxing brain could not figure
out some of the absurdity of his opponent, like these
vertical hooks. not that the were terribly effective
by themselves, but they kept floyd's brain busy.

castillo, oscar, shane and maidana couldn't close the
deal, but they showed that floyd is not ... invincible.

Yeah it's hard to be invincible when you are supposed to be boxing and someone else is doing MMA.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 12:14**

I'd like to think Manny could outwork and overwhelm Floyd but in reality Mayweather is too big, strong, tough and skilled, he'll win 8 rounds to 2 with 2 even.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 12:23**

man wrote:if i was freddie i would consider changing the plan
intentionally around round seven or eight. make floyd
believe he has figured things out and then change
the plan. one thing to bear in mind with floyd: what
worked early will not work later.

i believe the reason why maidana did better than
canelo was that floyd's boxing brain could not figure
out some of the absurdity of his opponent, like these
vertical hooks. not that the were terribly effective
by themselves, but they kept floyd's brain busy.

castillo, oscar, shane and maidana couldn't close the
deal, but they showed that floyd is not ... invincible.

I guess you are right but did you ever watch Pacquiao fight? He won t change his plan because he only know one way.. Go on and punch from every place you can. He won t adjust and this is why he won't win.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 12:32**

Cloutov wrote:I guess you are right but did you ever watch Pacquiao fight? He won t change his plan because he only know one way.. Go on and punch from every place you can. He won t adjust and this is why he won't win.

This +1!!

Oh I forgot, your post doesn't agree with his so it is the least intelligent post on this board, lol

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 12:33**

Cloutov wrote:
man wrote:if i was freddie i would consider changing the plan
intentionally around round seven or eight. make floyd
believe he has figured things out and then change
the plan. one thing to bear in mind with floyd: what
worked early will not work later.

i believe the reason why maidana did better than
canelo was that floyd's boxing brain could not figure
out some of the absurdity of his opponent, like these
vertical hooks. not that the were terribly effective
by themselves, but they kept floyd's brain busy.

castillo, oscar, shane and maidana couldn't close the
deal, but they showed that floyd is not ... invincible.
I guess you are right but did you ever watch Pacquiao fight? He won t change his plan because he only know one way.. Go on and punch from every place you can. He won t adjust and this is why he won't win.

good point.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 12:34**

KBB wrote:
man wrote:one of the less intelligent posts in recent decades.
Oh I get it, when someone doesn't agree with your stupid post then their post is less intelligent....got it.

get off my heels, i am not interested in any
conversation with you. thnx.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 13:44**

95gerog wrote:
Cloutov wrote:If JMM could catch Manny with a straight right hand going backward , i think Floyd can catch him twice..
I agree but how many rounds did it take for Marquez to find that punch?

Marquez never had a problem finding a home with the straight right hand against Manny. Marquez hit Manny with that punch repeatedly in every encounter they ever had in the ring. Yeah it took Marquez 4 fights before he landed the punch to put his lights out, but finding a home for the right hand against Manny has never been much of a issue for Marquez. Algeiri landed enough right hands to show you that Manny still leaves himself open for right hand counters. Clottey couldn't miss Pacquiao with right hand counters, but Clottey just simply didn't throw enough punches to keep himself in the fight, but when Clottey did throw punches he was landing at a alarmingly high percentage.

Now if Floyd decides to fall in love with his defense this fight he could be out worked, but Floyd doesn't shell up that often and punches with his opponent to land punches. Against someone like Pacquiao you have to punch with him, that's where you'll see Floyd superior defense and countering shine against a guy like Pacquiao. I think it will happen often, Pacquiao will come in Floyd will step back or lean back and follow up with a counter punch preventing Pacquiao to follow up on his lead shot with a combination. Pacquiao is going to realize he can't walk in on Floyd and then Pacquiao will be looking for one big shot and then it's game over.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 13:59**

This whole Madaina gave Floyd trouble, so Pacquiao will give Floyd the same problems is very confusing to me. Manny doesn't have the size to impose his will on Floyd like Madaina was able to. Madainas 15 lb. weight advantage along with his crude style is what ultimately kept him in a fight against Floyd. When you have physical weight advantage, your best weapon is get inside and use your size and strength to your benefit. For that I give Madaina a lot of credit for, because he did what he had to do in order to give himself the best chance of winning. Pacquiao doesn't have the luxury of being the bigger man in this fight, he won't be able to impose his size and strength on Floyd, instead he will be forced to fight from the outside or Floyd will simply tie him up or man handle him on the inside. Pacquiao may very well have a speed advantage, but when the fight is being fought at a distance Pacquiao has to cover that much more space before being in punching range which will negate a lot of his speed advantage. I just don't see anything that Madiana was successful with that can benefit Pacquiao the same way. Now if Floyd lets himself get trapped on the ropes and he allows Pacquiao to put combinations together, Pacquiao will have a chance, but Pacquiao isn't going to be able to use his size to get Floyd in that position and keep him there like Madaina was able to without Floyd himself choosing to stay on the ropes.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 14:02**

NateJR wrote:This whole Madaina gave Floyd trouble, so Pacquiao will give Floyd the same problems is very confusing to me. Manny doesn't have the size to impose his will on Floyd like Madaina was able to. Madainas 15 lb. weight advantage along with his crude style is what ultimately kept him in a fight against Floyd. When you have physical weight advantage, your best weapon is get inside and use your size and strength to your benefit. For that I give Madaina a lot of credit for, because he did what he had to do in order to give himself the best chance of winning. Pacquiao doesn't have the luxury of being the bigger man in this fight, he won't be able to impose his size and strength on Floyd, instead he will be forced to fight from the outside or Floyd will simply tie him up or man handle him on the inside. Pacquiao may very well have a speed advantage, but when the fight is being fought at a distance Pacquiao has to cover that much more space before being in punching range which will negate a lot of his speed advantage. I just don't see anything that Madiana was successful with that can benefit Pacquiao the same way. Now if Floyd lets himself get trapped on the ropes and he allows Pacquiao to put combinations together, Pacquiao will have a chance, but Pacquiao isn't going to be able to use his size to get Floyd in that position and keep him there like Madaina was able to without Floyd himself choosing to stay on the ropes.

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 14:03**

Quoted myself instead of editing my last post..

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 14:08**

NateJR wrote:Quoted myself instead of editing my last post..

It was a good one, and quite profound

Posted: **24 Apr 2015, 14:09**

[quote="NateJR"]Quoted myself instead of editing my last post..

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