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He didn't attack at all, he did nothing but mostly wait outside for his moments, he flurried a little bit but he ended up throwing less shots and landing less shots than Floyd.

The question is, why?? Some unknowledgeable Pacquiao fans will say something stupid like "he was running" but the truth of the matter is that Manny was eating counters like every other fighter who's faced Floyd has.

What was really supposed to be Packy's fight plan? Was he supposed to outbox Floyd? Was he supposed to get him to the ropes and flurry? Was he supposed to counter Mayweather?

I didn't see any definitive plan he was supposed to follow.

Your thoughts!!

Its almost as if he had no game plan horrible performance by both guys.

And on a side note Floyd did not "beat" manny or maidana for that matter.

Yes floyd won the rds but by no means does he BEAT you, lets all get that right from here on out.

Floyd wins the contest and gets the victory like he usually deeserves to but Floyd hasnt BEATEN an opponent since Hatton.

floyd countered very good in the first two, and he
did so extremely early and fast, rather countering
manny's intentions than his punches.

i felt that manny did better from the fourth on, but
it could be that floyd just stepped from the counter
urgency and could pick it up any time he wished.

i was surprised about floyd repeatedly doing the
same ducking down at the ropes with manny never
reacting to it. floyd punishes opponents for patterns
like this.

aside of manny being countered well he definitely
had a game plan that was based on slow pace, cause
he was not slowed down by floyd, he started slow by
himself. seemed like a game plan to me immediately
and i thought back then that it was actually smart to
not rush in. late in the fight he should have. if his
corner didn't spread urgency, unlike floyd senior, then
part of the blame goes to roach.

I think the plan was controlled aggression. The problem was that Manny was eating right hand counters early on and jabs later in the fight. Floyd does a lot of little things that will throw you off and Manny was never able to adjust the level of aggression up to where it needed to be. The fight was even at the halfway point but when Floyd started jabbing from the outside Manny just didn't have an answer. I think the case with Floyd is the same as with Wlad, just get inside and let your hands go. Problem is that when you're in there it's not so easy. You don't win 48 in a row by being easy to figure out.

Pac had success when he got on his toes and closed with distance with his quick feet and fired combinations. But in his mid 30s he can't stay on his toes like he could pre-2011. Manny's legs have deteriorated ever since the Mosley fight in which he plodded forward a large part of the fight.

dempseyfire wrote:Pac had success when he got on his toes and closed with distance with his quick feet and fired combinations. But in his mid 30s he can't stay on his toes like he could pre-2011. Manny's legs have deteriorated ever since the Mosley fight in which he plodded forward a large part of the fight.

i agree that manny is not as quick on his feet
as he used to be, but he still is much more agile
than what he showed in the fight and it was not
the shoulder either. their game plan was not to
rush it and i thought that went not that bad. though
in all fairness floyd countered extremely well in the
early going, even for his high standards. i felt he
could almost read pac's mind. to me it looked like
he was doing this to totally discourage sudden
assaults and stopped it later cause he felt he didn't
need to do it anymore.

truth is that manny's flurries were not very effective.
one has to take into account the shoulder and the
pain he was probably in. but i still think the corner
was not doing a great job, cause they didn't adjust
the game plan at all. at least it looked like that to
me. for example the repeated ducking and leaving
to the left of floyd. i was surprised that manny never
followed him trying to get him off balance at the
end of these moves.

i saw the fight even after six and before the eleventh
still thought it could go either way. so manny not
going all in was mistake to me. of course i cannot
judge the shoulder pain, but the way he looked in
there it seemed he could step it up. he should have
entered the last all guns blazing, assuming that
even floyd's countering will have lost accuracy that
late in a fight. if i had been roach that would have
been my advice.

At some point, some of you are going to have to try and look reality in the face.

There's is only one reason a fighter doesn't just walk right into his opponent and throw punches.

He doesn't want to get hit.

If you can understand that Floyd fights in a style that minimizes getting hit, how come you can't see it when the guy in the same ring with him starts doing the same thing?

Manny didn't engage. Manny didn't throw in combination. Manny rarely cut off the ring and when he did he let Floyd out the back door again and again.

And none of you fanboys ask yourself the question "why is that, why didn't Manny throw caution to the wind and MAKE Floyd fight?"

The reason is simple.

Manny didn't want to get hit.

He tasted enough right hands all night that he absolutely did not want to get into a scrum where he might have to take more than one or two of them at a time.

Manny blinked, plain and simple.

koolkc107 wrote:And none of you fanboys ask yourself the question "why is that, why didn't Manny throw caution to the wind and MAKE Floyd fight?"

The reason is simple.

Manny didn't want to get hit.

He tasted enough right hands all night that he absolutely did not want to get into a scrum where he might have to take more than one or two of them at a time.

Manny blinked, plain and simple.

definitely a reasonable way to see what happened.

man wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:And none of you fanboys ask yourself the question "why is that, why didn't Manny throw caution to the wind and MAKE Floyd fight?"

The reason is simple.

Manny didn't want to get hit.

He tasted enough right hands all night that he absolutely did not want to get into a scrum where he might have to take more than one or two of them at a time.

Manny blinked, plain and simple.

definitely a reasonable way to see what happened.

I know Pac fans want to say it was his shoulder, or the judges didn't score it right, or Compubox was way off (even though judges who can't see compubox tallies did an amazing job of closely corresponding to the numbers compubox came up with, AND NO ONE HAS AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT).

But the simplest, most logical story is something we've seen happen to so many of Floyd's previous opponents.

They decided not getting hit by Floyd was better than taking a chance of getting hit more often by Floyd.

And so did Manny.

koolkc107 wrote:I know Pac fans want to say it was his shoulder, or the judges didn't score it right, or Compubox was way off (even though judges who can't see compubox tallies did an amazing job of closely corresponding to the numbers compubox came up with, AND NO ONE HAS AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT).

But the simplest, most logical story is something we've seen happen to so many of Floyd's previous opponents.

They decided not getting hit by Floyd was better than taking a chance of getting hit more often by Floyd.

And so did Manny.

i hear you. but if you name a shoulder injury
and discussions about compubox numbers
in the same breath, that is slightly misleading.
from what i hear he really had a surgery a week
later and that is indeed a factor.

i think floyd did a tremendous early counter
job in the first two. what i was afraid for manny
happened: he couldn't find floyd and got countered
with precision. but then floyd reduced this early
disappointment strategy and the fight was dead
even for me after six. i still thought after ten that
manny could win the fight, because floyd in my
view had not shown a dominant performance.

but manny failed to go all in in 11 and 12, which
is untypical for him, even if you take floyd's
counters into account. manny is usually really
willing to take shots. i doubt it was fatigue, cause
this was not an energy consuming fight for him.

i have no problem with floyd getting the nod in
what i saw as a pretty boring, but very close
fight. but i heavily dispute the master class as
floyd's fans try to portray this bout.

Agree and it happened in the first round...after that pac said F this.