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Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 13:25
by koolkc107
Pac and his peeps are really piling it on thick.

I could just link this...

LAS VEGAS—Team Pacquiao has accused the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) and Floyd Mayweather Jr. of conspiring to ensure the victory of the unbeaten American in their celebrated fight at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
The accusation came on Sunday (Monday in Manila), a day after Mayweather scored a unanimous decision over Pacquiao in a 12-round bout where the Filipino supposedly fought for 10 rounds with an injured right shoulder.
A source in the Pacquiao camp said a series of incidents before the fight convinced the Filipino ring idol that the NSAC was favoring Mayweather in the fight.
The source cited the refusal of the commission to grant Pacquiao’s request to have pain-killers injected into his injured right shoulder while allowing Mayweather to have painkiller shots on his injured fist.
In an interview on Sunday at his hotel suite, Pacquiao said the commission also refused to allow his handlers to bring into his locker room on fight day his water, sports drink and multivitamin supplement. Pacquiao had been taking the sports drink Red Bull, and multivitamin Pharmaton prior to the fight.
“The NSAC was not fair. Pacquiao was fighting in hostile territory,” said the source, who asked not to be named for lack of authority to speak for the Filipino ring idol.
READ: Pacquiao’s shoulder injury kept secret from public
‘Bad side of boxing’
Still, the source said, Pacquiao went ahead with the fight “for the sake of the fans and to expose the bad side of boxing in Las Vegas.”
Mayweather, a native of Grand Rapids, Michigan, now lives in Las Vegas, where he maintains the Mayweather gym. The MGM Grand, which hosted the megabuck fight, calls itself Home of the Champion Mayweather.
Just so Mayweather would stop dodging him, Pacquiao had said he agreed to the lopsided terms imposed by Mayweather in their fight contract. These terms included a 60-40 sharing of the revenue, the right of Mayweather Promotions to handle the fight, and the mandatory blood testing.
13 times
That Mayweather was getting special treatment in Las Vegas was the reason he did not want to fight at the Cowboy Stadium in Dallas, Texas, which Pacquiao had proposed during the negotiations for what had been billed the “Fight of the Century.”
“Mayweather, with all his money, controls everything in Las Vegas,” the source said.
Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, revealed that the US Anti-Doping Agency (Usada) had taken blood samples of the Filipino fighter a total of 13 times since Pacquiao agreed to the drug-testing protocols according to the conditions imposed by Mayweather in their fight contract.
The 13th testing was made on Friday, the day of the official weigh-in and one day before the fight.
READ: Floyd attacked my injured shoulder, says Pacquiao
‘Mind games’
Roach said the Usada would not reveal how many times Mayweather was similarly tested.
In the days leading to the megabuck fight, the commission and the Mayweather camp were “playing mind games” with Pacquiao, the source complained. On several occasions, the NSAC entertained complaints by Mayweather about Pacquiao’s gloves, his hand tapes and the groin guard.
“They were trying to get into Manny’s mind,” he said.
Injured shoulder
In Sunday’s hotel interview, Pacquiao said he did not want to make a big fuss about his shoulder injury, which he sustained during sparring a couple of weeks before the fight.
[Interviewed Monday on GMA 7 network, Pacquiao said he originally injured the shoulder while jet skiing off General Santos City in 2009.]
In Sunday’s interview, he said Team Pacquiao had thought of having the fight postponed, but it was agreed that he would let the injury heal and go ahead with the fight because he did not want to disappoint the fans.
Pacquiao said he was hoping the injury would heal by fight time and that he would just take the painkillers before the fight.
The Nevada commission, which regulates professional sports in the state, would have none of it.
LOOK: Pacquiao nursing ‘torn’ right shoulder
No formal request
NSAC Chair Francisco Aguilar said the Pacquiao camp did not make a formal request for the injections and that a verbal request was made less than two hours before the fight. Also, he said, the Pacquiao camp did not show any proof of the injury.
In fact, Aguilar said, the Pacquiao camp did not reveal the injury in the medical questionnaire filed by the Filipino’s handlers during the weigh-in on Friday. It was the deadline for revealing such injuries.
In a television interview, Pacquiao said it was impossible for the commission not to know.
While they tried to keep the injury from the public, it leaked from the gym such that even Mayweather apparently knew of the injury because he kept pulling at his right arm during the fight.
Tug-of-war
With Saturday night’s loss, the sixth in his career, Pacquiao has now lost three of his last four fights in Las Vegas.
In a six-month period in 2012, he suffered two losses in the Sin City. He lost a controversial split decision to Timothy Bradley in a fight that he clearly won on June 9 and on Dec. 8, he was knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez.
READ: Pacquiao: Mayweather is good, he won the fight
Mayweather benefited
The two losses cost Pacquiao a big leverage in the five-year tug-of-war that culminated in Saturday night’s fight.
Mayweather, on the other hand, had benefited from several controversial decisions in Las Vegas.
A year ago, he scored a disputed 12-round majority decision over Marcos Maidana in a fight which saw him hit the canvas only for the referee to rule it a slip.
In 2007, Mayweather defeated Oscar De La Hoya in a 12-round split decision that even his own father, Floyd Sr., thought he lost.
READ: Volume puncher outpunched
Cancellation favored
In Manila, boxing analyst and lawyer Ed Tolentino told ANC’s Karen Davila that Pacquiao should have canceled the fight when he knew he was not fully fit to fight the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world.
Tolentino said that Pacquiao should have canceled the fight after knowing he had a “bum shoulder” because he owed it to viewers to fight 100 percent.


http://www.inquirer.net/pacquiao-files/article/180754

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 13:31
by kidbazooka1
Just excuses by team Pac nothing new.


But with that said ony a devoted floyd dick rider can't see that mgm is ridiculously biased towards Floyd.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 13:37
by koolkc107
kidbazooka1 wrote:Just excuses by team Pac nothing new.


But with that said ony a devoted floyd dick rider can't see that mgm is ridiculously biased towards Floyd.
ER AHH, Pac and his peeps aint talking about the MGM.

They are blaming the NSAC, which ironically are the same folks they said they would abide by when the blood testing issue came up in 2009.

Very special.

What is also a point of note is that Pac talks about 2009 being the time he originally injured the shoulder.

If that's the case, if he has been fighting with this injury since then, why is he using it as an excuse now?

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 14:30
by kidbazooka1
koolkc107 wrote:
kidbazooka1 wrote:Just excuses by team Pac nothing new.


But with that said ony a devoted floyd dick rider can't see that mgm is ridiculously biased towards Floyd.
ER AHH, Pac and his peeps aint talking about the MGM.

They are blaming the NSAC, which ironically are the same folks they said they would abide by when the blood testing issue came up in 2009.

Very special.

What is also a point of note is that Pac talks about 2009 being the time he originally injured the shoulder.

If that's the case, if he has been fighting with this injury since then, why is he using it as an excuse now?
Yea just excuses.

And yes the nsac too ive said on several occasions that the Vegas officials love Floyd.

But Team Pac should have known this shiit well before the fight, there the idiots and only have themselves to blame.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 16:56
by koolkc107
It's getting worse, if you can believe it...

In his news conference after his loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao revealed that he fought with an injured right shoulder.

Top Rank CEO Bob Arum said the injury — which the Pacquiao promoter said was a torn rotator cuff — happened about a month ago and Pacquiao was denied a numbing injection by the Nevada State Athletic Commission before the fight.

The day after the fight, Pacquiao revealed something else in a news conference with Filipino media: Mayweather found out about the injury before the fight through a leak.

"You saw he was pulling my hand. He was doing that because he knew," he told Rappler.com. "He was pulling it. He was holding me, then he was targeting this. I'm sure he found out. Somebody leaked it to him. They knew."

Dashon Johnson, a Pacquiao sparring partner, wrote a Facebook post after the fight saying that not only was the shoulder injury legitimate, but it was supposed to be a secret. According to Johnson, he was even sent home because Pacquiao couldn't spar with the injury:

We were asked not to mention anything to anyone but yes Manny got hurt during this camp with his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad! So bad his sparring partners including myself were asked to go home a few weeks out before the actual fight, which means a lot of work he could have put in for this fight was brought to a halt due to the fact that he could not spar really anymore and didn't want to mess it up more than he already had.

It sounds as if Pacquiao's camp had trouble keeping things in-house before the fight. spam.com's Ben Thompson reported on the Friday before the fight that Mayweather's camp knew everything Pacquiao was doing leading up to the fight.

"According to an eyewitness close to Pacquiao's camp, intimate details of his training regimen, from how many rounds he sparred to how many times he used the bathroom, have been leaked over the past several weeks," Thompson reported.

Thompson added: "According to another source, much more information has been leaked; the type of detailed information that only those around him on a daily basis would know."

Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe seemed to acknowledge the Mayweather camp was getting leaked information from Team Pacquiao. In an interview with Yahoo's Kevin Iole before the fight, Ellerbe said: "Freddie Roach thinks he runs a tight camp, but I know everything that's happening there. I heard it's been a very rough camp. And now, I think it's dawning on Manny Pacquiao exactly what he's up against."

spam also points out that Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, told Seconds Out in mid-April that he had to send someone home from Pacquiao's training camp because the person had a preexisting connection with Mayweather. When asked to clarify whether there had been a mole in the camp, Roach said, "Yeah."

But even if Mayweather knew about the shoulder, did it matter?

Pacquiao fans criticized Mayweather for grabbing and clinching Pacquiao whenever he closed within striking distance. But that has always been Mayweather's style.

Mayweather won by a considerable margin. While he was criticized after the fight for his impeccable defense, he actually threw and landed more punches.

Pacquiao was always the underdog. The shoulder injury — and the fact Mayweather apparently knew about it — made his job tougher, but it's a stretch to say it was really the determining factor in the fight.



http://www.businessinsider.com/pacquiao ... ury-2015-5

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 17:02
by CrazyHorse
Enough with the excuses. What happened to losing with dignity? Why couldn't Pacquiao have just said something like "Congrats to Mayweather, It was not my night". It's stuff like this that makes me lose some respect for Manny. C'mon man

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 17:35
by ikorolev

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 17:42
by koolkc107
ikorolev wrote:The shoulder story may be true:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/spa ... retty-bad/?
I think the shoulder was bad at some point.

But nobody watching Saturday thought there was any problem with it.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 20:30
by Tanzio
The only avenue to a rematch. Nauseating.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 20:38
by KBB
koolkc107 wrote:
kidbazooka1 wrote:Just excuses by team Pac nothing new.


But with that said ony a devoted floyd dick rider can't see that mgm is ridiculously biased towards Floyd.
ER AHH, Pac and his peeps aint talking about the MGM.

They are blaming the NSAC, which ironically are the same folks they said they would abide by when the blood testing issue came up in 2009.

Very special.

What is also a point of note is that Pac talks about 2009 being the time he originally injured the shoulder.

If that's the case, if he has been fighting with this injury since then, why is he using it as an excuse now?
All I know is that defeat is a really hard and incredible pill to swallow for Manny and all the Pacquiao fans.

Why is this??

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 04 May 2015, 20:55
by NateJR
KBB wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:
kidbazooka1 wrote:Just excuses by team Pac nothing new.


But with that said ony a devoted floyd dick rider can't see that mgm is ridiculously biased towards Floyd.
ER AHH, Pac and his peeps aint talking about the MGM.

They are blaming the NSAC, which ironically are the same folks they said they would abide by when the blood testing issue came up in 2009.

Very special.

What is also a point of note is that Pac talks about 2009 being the time he originally injured the shoulder.

If that's the case, if he has been fighting with this injury since then, why is he using it as an excuse now?
All I know is that defeat is a really hard and incredible pill to swallow for Manny and all the Pacquiao fans.

Why is this??
More excuses to come at a forum near you!!

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 07:06
by caldo2025
KBB wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:
kidbazooka1 wrote:Just excuses by team Pac nothing new.


But with that said ony a devoted floyd dick rider can't see that mgm is ridiculously biased towards Floyd.
ER AHH, Pac and his peeps aint talking about the MGM.

They are blaming the NSAC, which ironically are the same folks they said they would abide by when the blood testing issue came up in 2009.

Very special.

What is also a point of note is that Pac talks about 2009 being the time he originally injured the shoulder.

If that's the case, if he has been fighting with this injury since then, why is he using it as an excuse now?
All I know is that defeat is a really hard and incredible pill to swallow for Manny and all the Pacquiao fans.

Why is this??
This injury BS is pathetic and i'm just losing respect for Roach and Manny through this. There's nothing more refreshing that seeing some integrity in a loss. Manny could have simply said that he though that he won the fight but Floyd had an effective gameplan and he's a great fighter. That's it. Shut up and go home and get your shoulder fixed. Most fighters have a tear somewhere. Floyd's been fighting his whole life with fragile hands. Not once had Floyd used an injury as an excuse or to explain his performance. I'm a Manny fan but this is getting ridiculous. You can tell more about someone after a loss than a win. This is not a good look. And the timing of the fight meant nothing. 5 years ago, nothing would be different.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 08:09
by Syntax Error
Tanzio wrote:The only avenue to a rematch. Nauseating.
The sun only has about 4 billion years of power left in it; that's not enough time for powers that be to negotiate another fight between those two.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 08:21
by tiny_acres
Syntax Error wrote:
Tanzio wrote:The only avenue to a rematch. Nauseating.
The sun only has about 4 billion years of power left in it; that's not enough time for powers that be to negotiate another fight between those two.
Yep. No way in hell is there enough time to do a rematch.
Pacquiao will be out for a year. No way this ever happens

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 08:54
by Ian1973
Who cares, I'm sick of this battle of the has been's Time to move on.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 10:20
by man
i sense there are some dirty facts in all this,
but whenever i read one team complaining
the other tried to get into their fighters head
i am like: … really? they really did that …
tried to make your poor professional pro
athlete nervous?

regarding the painkillers, you always need
to hear the other side, in this case the official
making these decisions. there might be good
reason.

what seems like a fact is the shoulder injury
itself.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 10:25
by jamesmcdonnell
Who in their right mind would pay for a rematch after that dull as dishwater fight?

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 10:28
by koolkc107
man wrote:i sense there are some dirty facts in all this,
but whenever i read one team complaining
the other tried to get into their fighters head
i am like: … really? they really did that …
tried to make your poor professional pro
athlete nervous?

regarding the painkillers, you always need
to hear the other side, in this case the official
making these decisions. there might be good
reason.

what seems like a fact is the shoulder injury
itself.
I don't think anyone with common sense will dispute there was some kind of injury during training camp.

The question is how serious was it by fight night?

From what I saw, I'd have to say not very.

Unless, of course, his left shoulder was injured too.

Pac threw a lot less punches...with both hands.

But he threw enough jabs- 193- without any sign of discomfort to make me conclude that injury or not, the shoulder was not a factor in this fight.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 10:30
by KBB
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Who in their right mind would pay for a rematch after that dull as dishwater fight?
That's just how good Floyd is, he shut down the fighter that everyone said he was afraid of, he shutdown the fighter that everyone said would KO him, he shutdown the fighter that Roach said would beat him with one hand tied behind his back.

Now we have them spindoctoring their excuses to make people believe that MP had an injury and that is why he got shutdown but we all know the truth.

Re: Oh Brother! Here Comes The Spin!

Posted: 05 May 2015, 10:34
by koolkc107
KBB wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Who in their right mind would pay for a rematch after that dull as dishwater fight?
That's just how good Floyd is, he shut down the fighter that everyone said he was afraid of, he shutdown the fighter that everyone said would KO him, he shutdown the fighter that Roach said would beat him with one hand tied behind his back.

Now we have them spindoctoring their excuses to make people believe that MP had an injury and that is why he got shutdown but we all know the truth.
And anyone with half a brain knows exactly why they are spinning it this way.

They want another crack at those millions.

You repeat this excuse enough, some folks will buy it.

The rematch won't do 4.5 million PPV as this one is said to be approaching, but even a third of that is good money.