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What do people make of this article?

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/may ... her-story/

As soon as I saw the compubox numbers, I thought they looked off, moreso than I have noticed in any fight before, but to me, these numbers look just as far off. I think the numbers posted by Coachmanager are probably the most accurate of anything I've seen and I'd be interested to see anyone else's who has bother to rewatch the fight in real speed and/or slow motion.

jezzamundo wrote:What do people make of this article?

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/may ... her-story/

As soon as I saw the compubox numbers, I thought they looked off, moreso than I have noticed in any fight before, but to me, these numbers look just as far off. I think the numbers posted by Coachmanager are probably the most accurate of anything I've seen and I'd be interested to see anyone else's who has bother to rewatch the fight in real speed and/or slow motion.

A PacTard literally crying into his beer?

Look, we can choose whatever numbers or tally we like to justify whatever argument we want to make.

But one thing is clear looking at the fight.

One guy fought the way he wanted to and one guy couldn't.

Except for the occasional nice punch (none of which had Floyd in any trouble) Pac was completely neutralized.

Period.

We have people on here that swear they played the fight in slow motion
and counted the punched numerous times.None have even come close to the
numbers in this article.
The number counting by these so called fans is a joke.

If you watch the fight in slow or normal speed it is clear that Floyd won, notice how quiet the Manny crowd was during the entire fight except when MP threw those little flurries of which most did not even come close to landing.

On ESPN they showed a clip of the Philippine people watching the fight in some gymnasium/stadium and they all knew that their boy lost as they walked out of there silent as though they had exited a funeral.

Manny's fans are proving themselves to be the worst and sorest losers on the planet, it is getting more and more pathetic by the day with all the excuses and lies they are telling.

KBB wrote:
Manny's fans are proving themselves to be the worst and sorest losers on the planet, it is getting more and more pathetic by the day with all the excuses and lies they are telling.

You are so right with this statement.

fergusg wrote:Who is Alfredo Flores?

If you can adequately articulate his credentials and expertise in relation to boxing matters in general, then I may consider the value of his thoughts?

Clearly he writes fiction.

jezzamundo wrote:What do people make of this article?

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/may ... her-story/

As soon as I saw the compubox numbers, I thought they looked off, moreso than I have noticed in any fight before, but to me, these numbers look just as far off. I think the numbers posted by Coachmanager are probably the most accurate of anything I've seen and I'd be interested to see anyone else's who has bother to rewatch the fight in real speed and/or slow motion.

They seem far more in line with the fight than the compubox, or, not so 'compu' box (2 men with a clicker doesn't much constitute a computer). Pacquaio was out-jabbed by Floyd's powder but all the other stats should clearly favour Pacquiao, shades of Canelo v Trout imo.

fergusg wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:...all the other stats should clearly favour Pacquiao, shades of Canelo v Trout imo.

Manny Pacquiao lost! Nooooo!!

Which account we logged into today Brut?

jezzamundo wrote:What do people make of this article?

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/may ... her-story/

As soon as I saw the compubox numbers, I thought they looked off, moreso than I have noticed in any fight before, but to me, these numbers look just as far off. I think the numbers posted by Coachmanager are probably the most accurate of anything I've seen and I'd be interested to see anyone else's who has bother to rewatch the fight in real speed and/or slow motion.

I have computed two rounds 1st and 3rd

Tarkus:
1. Mayweather 41/7, Pacquiao 20/2
3. Mayweather 25/8, Pacquiao 37/5

Compubox:
1. Mayweather 36/8, Pacquiao 29/3
3. Mayweather 27/15, Pacquiao 35/5

Flores:
1. Mayweather 54/6, Pacquiao 27/2
3. Mayweather 25/3, Pacquiao 33/8

Whats a Coachmanager?

This reminds me of Calzaghe/Lacy and people trying to argue that Calzaghe landed nearly 1,000 punches or some kind of ridiculous number like that.

Tarkus wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:What do people make of this article?

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/may ... her-story/

As soon as I saw the compubox numbers, I thought they looked off, moreso than I have noticed in any fight before, but to me, these numbers look just as far off. I think the numbers posted by Coachmanager are probably the most accurate of anything I've seen and I'd be interested to see anyone else's who has bother to rewatch the fight in real speed and/or slow motion.

I have computed two rounds 1st and 3rd

Tarkus:
1. Mayweather 41/7, Pacquiao 20/2
3. Mayweather 25/8, Pacquiao 37/5

Compubox:
1. Mayweather 36/8, Pacquiao 29/3
3. Mayweather 27/15, Pacquiao 35/5

Flores:
1. Mayweather 54/6, Pacquiao 27/2
3. Mayweather 25/3, Pacquiao 33/8

Whats a Coachmanager?

I am Coachmanager, I didn't count the punches throwed.

Round 1 5-1 Mayweather
Round 2 4-3 Mayweather
Round 3 6-4 Pacquiao
Round 4 11-6 Pacquiao
Round 5 6-2 Mayweather
Round 6 7-7 even
Round 7 8-5 Pacquiao
Round 8 5-4 Mayweather
Round 9 9-6 Pacquiao
Round 10 5-4 Pacquiao
Round 11 15-4 Mayweather
Round 12 5-2 Mayweather
Total 72-62 Mayweather

Coachmanager wrote: I am Coachmanager

we can all agree then that 15 landed in rd3 by compubox is just mad.

at the simple-minded numpties who get ruffled by people challenging CompuBox; I'm not surprised at who has popped up in this thread. It may be hard for some to believe, but CompuBox stats are just another set of error-prone opinions.

Floyd clearly won and did so 9-3 in my view, but I agree that the 'official' numbers were suspect. If for some odd reason you think CompuBox is unchallengeable, count the punches thrown by each fighter in the first round of Kirkland-Angulo then look at CompuBox's numbers for the round.

We have people on here that swear they played the fight in slow motion
and counted the punched numerous times.None have even come close to the
numbers in this article.
The number counting by these so called fans is a joke.

I think it's good that some people are skeptical of the CompuBox numbers, because those punch stats are just opinions and shouldn't be blindly accepted as facts. Of course 'homemade' stats should be viewed skeptically as well, because they are also prone to error and fabrication.

Floyd won the fight but it wasn't a masterclass like his fan boys want everyone to think. Floyd to me looked worse than any other fight I have seen him in, including Jose Luis Castillo I, and his connect percentage was much lower than his average. I saw him miss a lot of punches.

Compubox is a joke, in their defence, working out punch stats without the benefit of slow motion and replays is basically impossible. Punch landed stats are pretty subjective even with replays etc. Floyd threw a few jabs that grazed the top of Manny's head, Manny threw a few combos which were pretty difficult to see if any of the punches landed, fully or partially, even with slow motion.

What I find difficult to understand is the great variance in punches thrown. Is counting that difficult?

Coachmanager wrote:Tarkus:
1. Mayweather 41/7, Pacquiao 20/2
3. Mayweather 25/8, Pacquiao 37/5

Compubox:
1. Mayweather 36/8, Pacquiao 29/3
3. Mayweather 27/15, Pacquiao 35/5

Flores:
1. Mayweather 54/6, Pacquiao 27/2
3. Mayweather 25/3, Pacquiao 33/8

Damn!! I guess I wasn't looking at the fight very well!? I gave both of those rounds to Mayweather, but that is the classic case of 10-10 rounds. (but really, nobody does pick draw rounds and we're forced to pick someone... so, Mayweather it still is...)

Baby Face Finster wrote:Floyd won the fight but it wasn't a masterclass like his fan boys want everyone to think. Floyd to me looked worse than any other fight I have seen him in, including Jose Luis Castillo I, and his connect percentage was much lower than his average. I saw him miss a lot of punches.

He fought pacman........i would hope Floyd would look a little human. A legit 9-3 over pacman is extremely impressive.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:Floyd won the fight but it wasn't a masterclass like his fan boys want everyone to think. Floyd to me looked worse than any other fight I have seen him in, including Jose Luis Castillo I, and his connect percentage was much lower than his average. I saw him miss a lot of punches.

He fought pacman........i would hope Floyd would look a little human. A legit 9-3 over pacman is extremely impressive.

No it's not impressive when you eke out rounds by a few punches. Sure 9-3 looks impressive but in actuality it wasn't. Floyd won but it wasn't impressive in the least.

Deadendgeneration wrote:Compubox is a joke, in their defence, working out punch stats without the benefit of slow motion and replays is basically impossible. Punch landed stats are pretty subjective even with replays etc. Floyd threw a few jabs that grazed the top of Manny's head, Manny threw a few combos which were pretty difficult to see if any of the punches landed, fully or partially, even with slow motion.

What I find difficult to understand is the great variance in punches thrown. Is counting that difficult?

What I never understand is why they don't do a recount the day after, following a slow motion rewatch and offer stats that are a lot more accurate.

Also, as you suggest, connects are subjective, heck even thrown are relatively subjective, ie is Klitschkos "stiff arm/paw" a punch? A feint could look like a punch as well.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:Compubox is a joke, in their defence, working out punch stats without the benefit of slow motion and replays is basically impossible. Punch landed stats are pretty subjective even with replays etc. Floyd threw a few jabs that grazed the top of Manny's head, Manny threw a few combos which were pretty difficult to see if any of the punches landed, fully or partially, even with slow motion.

What I find difficult to understand is the great variance in punches thrown. Is counting that difficult?

What I never understand is why they don't do a recount the day after, following a slow motion rewatch and offer stats that are a lot more accurate.

Also, as you suggest, connects are subjective, heck even thrown are relatively subjective, ie is Klitschkos "stiff arm/paw" a punch? A feint could look like a punch as well.

Couldn't agree more. The article was ridiculous anyway, professional fights are not decided simply by who lands the most punches.

Deadendgeneration wrote:Couldn't agree more. The article was ridiculous anyway, professional fights are not decided simply by who lands the most punches.

Yes, it's also decided by "effective aggression" (Manny's wasn't), ring generalship (Manny couldn't cut off the ring or control the real estate, he only had Floyd on the ropes because Mayweather went there willingly looking for counters) and Clean Punching (many of Packy's shots were blocked, ducked, parried or shoulder rolled off) so since you already covered the first part I filled in the rest and we can see how Manny lost, and oh btw, I forgot to mention defense of which there's no question who dominated in this category.

MP wrote: Damn!! I guess I wasn't looking at the fight very well!? I gave both of those rounds to Mayweather, but that is the classic case of 10-10 rounds. (but really, nobody does pick draw rounds and we're forced to pick someone... so, Mayweather it still is...)

I believe this is the single worst rule in scoring boxing. If they encourage 10-10 rounds judges scorecards will be much closer.

Deadendgeneration wrote: What I find difficult to understand is the great variance in punches thrown. Is counting that difficult?

It is actually. I find it hard to differentiate between faints and punches. Sometimes they stick out a hand just to measure the distance or block incoming activity, those are not punches but it is hard to draw the line.

These Floyd athletic supporters are pathetic. It's hilarious. Deep down, you must feel awkward cheering for a twinkle toed boxer who has ran the last 24 rounds. Are you happy that he won the fight in this fashion? Floyd Mayweather Jr is the most talented fighter i've ever seen in my life. In 48 fights, we still haven't seen what this man can do because he just won't go after it. He could walk through any guy out there but chooses to fight in spurts and disengage and lean on the scorecards. Imagine if he really tried to get someone out of there early? It's a shame and the biggest reason he will NEVER go down as one of the best ever. The greats became so by the risks they took inside the ring, not by taking the safe route in EVERY situation they have faced.

Keep cheering on the track stars and their boring victories and i'll keep cheering on the guys who WANT TO FIGHT AND ENGAGE, win or lose.

caldo2025 wrote:These Floyd athletic supporters are pathetic. It's hilarious. Deep down, you must feel awkward cheering for a twinkle toed boxer who has ran the last 24 rounds. Are you happy that he won the fight in this fashion? Floyd Mayweather Jr is the most talented fighter i've ever seen in my life. In 48 fights, we still haven't seen what this man can do because he just won't go after it. He could walk through any guy out there but chooses to fight in spurts and disengage and lean on the scorecards. Imagine if he really tried to get someone out of there early? It's a shame and the biggest reason he will NEVER go down as one of the best ever. The greats became so by the risks they took inside the ring, not by taking the safe route in EVERY situation they have faced.

Keep cheering on the track stars and their boring victories and i'll keep cheering on the guys who WANT TO FIGHT AND ENGAGE, win or lose.

Same old ran crap, you are proving yourself to be the most pathetic crybaby on this forum and the sorest loser, even that crybaby Ricky is crying less than you.

Floyd won and won easily and you are still here nearly a week later on your menstrual cycle.

Please don't hurt yourself over this, it isn't worth it. Here is a hotline number for some assistance 1-800-BUTT-HURT!!