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I am no lawyer, but I am guessing the suits against Manny Pacquiao will be laughed out of court.

There is just no way to prove the petitioner allegations.

Some of the lawsuits point to the pre-fight medical questionnaire signed by Pacquiao for Nevada boxing authorities in which he checked "no" to the question, "Have you had any injury to your shoulders, elbows or hands that needed evaluation or examination?"

Right now, the story being given is that Koncz checked the wrong box.

Look for the lawyers to argue something slightly different, though not mutually exclusive from the Koncz excuse.

The lawyers will concentrate on the last part, the "needed evaluation or examination" part.

They will say that Manny's shoulder did not require further evaluation or examination as a doctor had already cleared him to fight.

"It claims Pacquiao was injured (immediately) before the bout and that's not true -- he was injured (nearly a month) before the bout, was examined by doctors and cleared to fight," Petrocelli said. "And he was examined by the commission right before he fought."...
...They say they disclosed the injury suffered in training camp when they cleared the use of anti-inflammatory drugs with the US Anti-Doping Agency and that Pacquiao had improved enough to be cleared by doctors to fight.

As long as they have a doctor a month before the fight giving an OK, and the fact that USADA knew that long, I can't see any lawsuit being successful.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lawsuits-p ... --box.html

The lawsuit will be upheld because there will be a defamation suit to follow it and MP and his team will have to agree to the charges of the lesser one in order not to taste the cost of the more serious suit.

It doesn't matter that Koncz checked the box, Manny agreed with his signature and we all know that a signature on a contract or medical document is a legal and binding agreement.

Manny misrepresented the facts of that legal medical document whether he was the one who checked the block or not because he signed his signature agreeing to the facts presented.

His manipulation caused the betting odds to be adjusted, people lost fortunes and this non-disclosure had a serious financial impact on the outcome of legalized gambling in Vegas.

Something has to give and right now all they have is Manny's signature of which they can prove and Koncz's admittance of checking the block of which they cannot prove.

In a court of law it is all about what you can prove.

Nevada Secretary of State thinks otherwise:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/05/07 ... xpert-says?

ikorolev wrote:Nevada Secretary of State thinks otherwise:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/05/07 ... xpert-says?

Just because it's frivolous according to him doesn't mean much but this is like gambling on horse racing where any little thing can indicate a fix being in to manipulate the betting odds.

This is serious business, imagine some Mob figure wagered on Manny without knowing about his so called "shoulder injury"! What do you think the consequences would be if the Mob laid down bets on him and did not know this??

Oh and btw; now Arum is making an even more pathetic excuse: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/05/07 ... -says-arum

Watch how Manny's fans believe this BS, any excuse to say that's the reason he lost instead of just having a little dignity and saying the better Boxer won.

I made reference to the injury being from 2008 or 2009 in another thread.

Supposedly, Manny got it while jet-skiing.

What I don't get is if it was an injury from that long ago

a) why use it as an excuse now, and
b) why wasn't it operated on during the long layoff when he got KTFO by JMM?

koolkc107 wrote:I made reference to the injury being from 2008 or 2009 in another thread.

Supposedly, Manny got it while jet-skiing.

What I don't get is if it was an injury from that long ago

a) why use it as an excuse now, and
b) why wasn't it operated on during the long layoff when he got KTFO by JMM?

Or when he had the long layoff after the 3rd JMM fight when he claimed it took 6 months ( ) for his cut to heal over his eye (BS).

Excuses are just like A-holes, everybody has one and all of them stink. Manny has no dignity and is pathetic Loser.

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:I made reference to the injury being from 2008 or 2009 in another thread.

Supposedly, Manny got it while jet-skiing.

What I don't get is if it was an injury from that long ago

a) why use it as an excuse now, and
b) why wasn't it operated on during the long layoff when he got KTFO by JMM?

Or when he had the long layoff after the 3rd JMM fight when he claimed it took 6 months ( ) for his cut to heal over his eye (BS).

Excuses are just like A-holes, everybody has one and all of them stink. Manny has no dignity and is pathetic Loser.

I agree that we may just be seeing a side of Manny not many folks thought existed.

You check out Ariza's take on all this? It was on Floyd Hype.

Here's a little:

We've watched this fight 10 times and nothing indicates to me that Manny was favoring the shoulder or he wasn't doing something that looked to me that was impeding his way of fighting. You've seen a lot of basketball players where if they do something, boom, you know something's not right right away. Every round that I saw Manny in, they weren't working on his shoulder. They weren't trying to adjust it or manipluate it in some way to see if they could find some kind of level of comfort. They didn't put any ice on it or nothing. Or how about you yourself manually doing something to notify your corner? I would've said, "Tell me where it hurts? What's wrong? Why aren't you doing a fornicating thing out there?" What I'm saying is that in the corner, you don't see any urgency to figure out what's wrong. If there's a shoulder problem that early in the fight, you start going to work, right?

koolkc107 wrote:

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:I made reference to the injury being from 2008 or 2009 in another thread.

Supposedly, Manny got it while jet-skiing.

What I don't get is if it was an injury from that long ago

a) why use it as an excuse now, and
b) why wasn't it operated on during the long layoff when he got KTFO by JMM?

Or when he had the long layoff after the 3rd JMM fight when he claimed it took 6 months ( ) for his cut to heal over his eye (BS).

Excuses are just like A-holes, everybody has one and all of them stink. Manny has no dignity and is pathetic Loser.

I agree that we may just be seeing a side of Manny not many folks thought existed.

You check out Ariza's take on all this? It was on Floyd Hype.

Here's a little:

We've watched this fight 10 times and nothing indicates to me that Manny was favoring the shoulder or he wasn't doing something that looked to me that was impeding his way of fighting. You've seen a lot of basketball players where if they do something, boom, you know something's not right right away. Every round that I saw Manny in, they weren't working on his shoulder. They weren't trying to adjust it or manipluate it in some way to see if they could find some kind of level of comfort. They didn't put any ice on it or nothing. Or how about you yourself manually doing something to notify your corner? I would've said, "Tell me where it hurts? What's wrong? Why aren't you doing a effing thing out there?" What I'm saying is that in the corner, you don't see any urgency to figure out what's wrong. If there's a shoulder problem that early in the fight, you start going to work, right?

I agree 100% with Ariza, there was nothing to indicate Manny had a problem with his shoulder during the fight. I've seen and heard of other fighters making excuses but none to this extent and length of time.

Floyd shouldn't even bother giving this whiney little bastard a rematch, for what? What did Manny do to deserve a rematch??

The only angle is money.

And with the fight doing so unexpectedly well, that may no longer be enough.

Floyd has been saying he is tired of the sport.

Gonna take a lot of bridge mending by Manny for him to agree to do it again.

koolkc107 wrote:The only angle is money.

And with the fight doing so unexpectedly well, that may no longer be enough.

Floyd has been saying he is tired of the sport.

Gonna take a lot of bridge mending by Manny for him to agree to do it again.

Not really!! All Mayweather really wants is for Manny to publicly admit that he lost to the better boxer and that will put him back in Floyd's good graces.

If Pacquiao truly wanted to get back his credibility and in Mayweather's good graces then he would admit that the shoulder injury was a lie and never affected him in the fight and on top of it admit that Money is the better fighter.

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:The only angle is money.

And with the fight doing so unexpectedly well, that may no longer be enough.

Floyd has been saying he is tired of the sport.

Gonna take a lot of bridge mending by Manny for him to agree to do it again.

Not really!! All Mayweather really wants is for Manny to publicly admit that he lost to the better boxer and that will put him back in Floyd's good graces.

If Pacquiao truly wanted to get back his credibility and in Mayweather's good graces then he would admit that the shoulder injury was a lie and never affected him in the fight and on top of it admit that Money is the better fighter.

Kinda hard to do when you already went through the surgery.

But Ariza explains that as well.

It really is an interesting take from a guy who should know (even though he definitely has an ulterior motive).

koolkc107 wrote:Kinda hard to do when you already went through the surgery.

But Ariza explains that as well.

It really is an interesting take from a guy who should know (even though he definitely has an ulterior motive).

I agree that Ariza has an ulterior motive but honestly his beef never appeared to be against Manny, more like he and Freddie had words and I've never really heard him say anything bad about Packy.

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Kinda hard to do when you already went through the surgery.

But Ariza explains that as well.

It really is an interesting take from a guy who should know (even though he definitely has an ulterior motive).

I agree that Ariza has an ulterior motive but honestly his beef never appeared to be against Manny, more like he and Freddie had words and I've never really heard him say anything bad about Packy.

Yep.

Very few bad things about Manny...until now.

Here's the take on the surgery okey-doke:

It is surgery. It's not invasive. I mean, it's an outpatient clinic thing. You go in there and it takes less than a couple of hours. If there's nothing wrong, you can go back to functional movement the next day without them doing nothing; just moving around some things. They'll manipulate the shoulder in certain directions and areas and they'll start to look at connective tissues, ligaments, tendons, muscles; anything that can indicate that Manny really has a tear. They also said they have a MRI, but MRIs are about maybe 70-80% accurate on joints. You know, the soulder is like a map; it looks like a road map. Ligaments, tendons, muscles, and things like that, I mean, they just cross over each other, so it's a really complicated area. Once you get in there, you really get to see what you're doing. So they'll fill it up with a bunch of fluids so they'll be able to manipulate the shoulder, move the arm around, and see if there's any ligament damage or anything torn. But like I said, let's look into the crystal ball. This is what you're going to hear. Okay, they scope it and they'll find nothing wrong, so they'll say, "Manny Pacquiao has to go under extensive rehabilitation for 6 months." That's what you're going to hear, which is to say nothing more. There's nothing fornicating wrong with him.

koolkc107 wrote:

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Kinda hard to do when you already went through the surgery.

But Ariza explains that as well.

It really is an interesting take from a guy who should know (even though he definitely has an ulterior motive).

I agree that Ariza has an ulterior motive but honestly his beef never appeared to be against Manny, more like he and Freddie had words and I've never really heard him say anything bad about Packy.

Yep.

Very few bad things about Manny...until now.

Here's the take on the surgery okey-doke:

It is surgery. It's not invasive. I mean, it's an outpatient clinic thing. You go in there and it takes less than a couple of hours. If there's nothing wrong, you can go back to functional movement the next day without them doing nothing; just moving around some things. They'll manipulate the shoulder in certain directions and areas and they'll start to look at connective tissues, ligaments, tendons, muscles; anything that can indicate that Manny really has a tear. They also said they have a MRI, but MRIs are about maybe 70-80% accurate on joints. You know, the soulder is like a map; it looks like a road map. Ligaments, tendons, muscles, and things like that, I mean, they just cross over each other, so it's a really complicated area. Once you get in there, you really get to see what you're doing. So they'll fill it up with a bunch of fluids so they'll be able to manipulate the shoulder, move the arm around, and see if there's any ligament damage or anything torn. But like I said, let's look into the crystal ball. This is what you're going to hear. Okay, they scope it and they'll find nothing wrong, so they'll say, "Manny Pacquiao has to go under extensive rehabilitation for 6 months." That's what you're going to hear, which is to say nothing more. There's nothing effing wrong with him.

Honestly he's just speaking the truth in medical terms, I don't see this as saying something demeaning about Manny like he does about Freddie.

I wouldn't have a problem with this if I was Manny because Alex has said nothing bad at all.

He is calling Manny a liar the same as Floyd.

And yeah, he shouldn't have a problem if Ariza is telling it like it really is.

And it seems he just might be.

Remember the first reports about how Manny was going to be out 9 to 12 months?

Cut that in half. From the LA Times:

Manny Pacquiao underwent surgery on his ailing right shoulder Wednesday in Los Angeles, and his doctor said he "could not be more pleased" with the results for the record eight-division world champion.

The operation was performed by orthopedist Dr. Neal ElAttrache, who said Pacquiao will make a full recovery and return to the ring.

Estimates are that Pacquiao will be sidelined four to six months.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -83480664/

Sounds a whole lot like what Ariza was running down.

koolkc107 wrote:He is calling Manny a liar the same as Floyd.

And yeah, he shouldn't have a problem if Ariza is telling it like it really is.

And it seems he just might be.

Remember the first reports about how Manny was going to be out 9 to 12 months?

Cut that in half. From the LA Times:

Manny Pacquiao underwent surgery on his ailing right shoulder Wednesday in Los Angeles, and his doctor said he "could not be more pleased" with the results for the record eight-division world champion.

The operation was performed by orthopedist Dr. Neal ElAttrache, who said Pacquiao will make a full recovery and return to the ring.

Estimates are that Pacquiao will be sidelined four to six months.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -83480664/

Sounds a whole lot like what Ariza was running down.

Yes it does but watch how the Casual fans start saying that Ariza is hating and being an idiot because he spoke the truth just as he always has in regards to dealing with Roach and Manny.

We went from 9-12 months to 4-6 months.

And if you ask a doctor not being paid to give an estimate, they will tell you a scoped shoulder takes only 8-12 weeks to heal.

So, if we see Manny throwing dice in Macau next month, we'll know for sure the whole thing was bullchips.

First off, can we stop quoting that POS strength & conditioning coach who gets off on kicking people with Parkinsons and then running away. That little C needs to go away.

I can barely walk from my couch to the mailbox but i've had rotator cuff issues for years and know enough about it. With that injury, you can basically do EVERYTHING that a healthy shoulder can do except it just hurts to do it. It may get weaker over time but the big thing is the pain. Hard to sleep, workout, pick things up..etc. But once you get that cortisone shot or other anti-inflammatory shot, it's 100% relief. No pain at all. Everything is better and the shot works for months.

My opinion is that Manny went through training camp without any pain because he was able to get these shots. He tried to get another shot prior to the fight because the shot works best immediately (in the first 5 minutes after shot) and when it was denied, psychologically it must have made an effect.

Most shots last up to 5 months so I sincerely doubt Manny was affected fight night because he had already received shots recently. Not a good excuse Manny and Roach.

He should've kicked that retard Roach in the mouth for all the crap he talks, who gives a damn if he has Parkinson's with the way he acts. Maybe if he was more of a humble individual I'd have sympathy for him but honestly he's a piece of sh*t and deserves to be kicked.

I hope Ariza wins his case.