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Here's what Bernard Hopkins had to say when I spoke with him last week in Houston on several topics...

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3891 ... im-to-none

El Raincoat wrote:Here's what Bernard Hopkins had to say when I spoke with him last week in Houston on several topics...

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3891 ... im-to-none

Even though this is a good fight for BHop I think he's right about Froch not wanting to take this fight because as he put it; it is a "lose-lose" situation.

If Froch wins, he beat an old man who is retiring with no belt and nothing to gain, and for that very same reason if he were to lose to the old dog then it'll be a case of "you let an over-the-hill retiring fighter beat you and you have nothing to show for it.

KBB wrote:Even though this is a good fight for BHop I think he's right about Froch not wanting to take this fight because as he put it; it is a "lose-lose" situation.

If Froch wins, he beat an old man who is retiring with no belt and nothing to gain, and for that very same reason if he were to lose to the old dog then it'll be a case of "you let an over-the-hill retiring fighter beat you and you have nothing to show for it.

If Froch wins he'll pick up a win over an ATG who is still a world class fighter, it will be one of his biggest wins and he'll also get a big paycheck.

It's not a lose-lose situation.

Horse wrote:

KBB wrote:Even though this is a good fight for BHop I think he's right about Froch not wanting to take this fight because as he put it; it is a "lose-lose" situation.

If Froch wins, he beat an old man who is retiring with no belt and nothing to gain, and for that very same reason if he were to lose to the old dog then it'll be a case of "you let an over-the-hill retiring fighter beat you and you have nothing to show for it.

If Froch wins he'll pick up a win over an ATG who is still a world class fighter, it will be one of his biggest wins and he'll also get a big paycheck.

It's not a lose-lose situation.

I totally disagree with you for the reasons already stated. If he wins, so what he beat an old man (who may still be world class) who is retiring.

Who does this earn him a shot at?? Kovalev? Beiterbiev?? (may have misspelled his name)

Does seem to be a bit of a no-win for Froch.

I imagine he would just outwork Bernard though in a turgid affair.

KBB wrote:I totally disagree with you for the reasons already stated. If he wins, so what he beat an old man (who may still be world class) who is retiring.

He would have beaten the best old man of all time. Only idiots would whine on about Hopkins being old.

KBB wrote:Who does this earn him a shot at?? Kovalev? Beiterbiev?? (may have misspelled his name)

Froch doesn't need to earn a shot at anyone.

Horse wrote:

KBB wrote:I totally disagree with you for the reasons already stated. If he wins, so what he beat an old man (who may still be world class) who is retiring.

He would have beaten the best old man of all time. Only idiots would whine on about Hopkins being old.

KBB wrote:Who does this earn him a shot at?? Kovalev? Beiterbiev?? (may have misspelled his name)

Froch doesn't need to earn a shot at anyone.

Yes he does, he no longer has a belt. If he wanted to fight Kovalev right now there's no way he'd get that fight without beating one of the top fighters at LHW. A win over BHop may help him do that but honestly we all know that there are fighters who present more of a problem than Hopkins at LHW.

KBB wrote:Yes he does, he no longer has a belt. If he wanted to fight Kovalev right now there's no way he'd get that fight without beating one of the top fighters at LHW. A win over BHop may help him do that but honestly we all know that there are fighters who present more of a problem than Hopkins at LHW.

Froch doesn't need a stinking belt.

Why couldn't Froch get Kovalev in his next fight? Froch would be the best fighter Kovalev has fought. Froch doesn't have to prove himself.

Froch doesn't need a belt to get a fight with Kovalev, but I doubt he's going north of 168.

SNG wrote:Froch doesn't need a belt to get a fight with Kovalev, but I doubt he's going north of 168.

I'm not saying he needs a belt, I'm saying he would need a major win over someone at LHW in order to get a bout like that. Like you, I doubt very much that he is going above SMW, especially for a fight with a monster like Kova.

Praying this fight doesn't happen. I'd slightly favor Froch, but Hopkins would smother any chances of this turning into a good fight to watch. Which is a shame because Froch has a great fan friendly style. I'd rather see either of them face Fonfara. I think Hopkins' counter punching against him would be fun (at least somewhat) to watch. Froch's movement should allow him to score but Fonfara would be able to make him pay for any mistake.

Don't be ridiculous. Carl froch would get the fight against kovalev in a heart beat. He's proven he can entertain and is a huge name.

Anyone who actually knows the sport of boxing understands it's about selling a fight and not about the belt.

Kingfield wrote:Don't be ridiculous. Carl froch would get the fight against kovalev in a heart beat. He's proven he can entertain and is a huge name.

Anyone who actually knows the sport of boxing understands it's about selling a fight and not about the belt.

Totally ridiculous to think that Froch would need to beat anybody to land a fight with Kov. It would be made in a flash if he even hinted he wanted to tackle Kov and he would easily earn the biggest payday of his career. To think that he would need a Big win over a LH would be like saying GGG has to get a big win at 168 before landing a fight w Ward…plain nonsense. I don’t blame Froch for not taking the Bhop fight and I certainly wouldn’t knock him for declining a fight w Kov. He’s earned the right to decide how he wants to go out. Not an ATG but certainly one of the better fighters at 168 of his era. A shoe in HOFer and most likely 1st ballot.

Horse wrote:

KBB wrote:I totally disagree with you for the reasons already stated. If he wins, so what he beat an old man (who may still be world class) who is retiring.

He would have beaten the best old man of all time. Only idiots would whine on about Hopkins being old.

KBB wrote:Who does this earn him a shot at?? Kovalev? Beiterbiev?? (may have misspelled his name)

Froch doesn't need to earn a shot at anyone.

The truth from the Horse's mouth, as it were.

Bobbyptsd wrote:The truth from the Horse's mouth, as it were.

Troll much??

KBB wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:The truth from the Horse's mouth, as it were.

Troll much??

No, I'm agreeing with him because he's right.

Once again, "trolling" isn't synonymous with: "guy who is disagreeing with me.

Christ, you are really ruining a lot of threads here lately, and that's saying quite a bit, I've seen some less than reasonable posters in my time, but you are really upping your game.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

KBB wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:The truth from the Horse's mouth, as it were.

Troll much??

No, I'm agreeing with him because he's right.

Once again, "trolling" isn't synonymous with: "guy who is disagreeing with me.

Christ, you are really ruining a lot of threads here lately, and that's saying quite a bit, I've seen some less than reasonable posters in my time, but you are really upping your game.

The only person who's ruining threads is you, you claim you are agreeing but you are throwing dumb ass insults that have nothing to do with the subject at hand because you can't have an intellectual enough response to offer of your own.

Get lost idiot.

KBB wrote:

The only person who's ruining threads is you, you claim you are agreeing but you are throwing dumb ass insults that have nothing to do with the subject at hand because you can't have an intellectual enough response to offer of your own.

Get lost idiot.[/quote]

Clearly, it's all on me.

KBB wrote:

SNG wrote:Froch doesn't need a belt to get a fight with Kovalev, but I doubt he's going north of 168.

I'm not saying he needs a belt, I'm saying he would need a major win over someone at LHW in order to get a bout like that. Like you, I doubt very much that he is going above SMW, especially for a fight with a monster like Kova.

If Froch wanted to fight Kovalev at 175 in England, he would have easily gotten it, as that fight would be huge. It would be an easy win for Kova with good money.

Even after defeating Hopkins, Froch would still have to do more to earn a shot at Kovalev -- a fighter who is basically inaccessible unless you have the gargantuan achievements of a Nadjib Mohammedi, Blake Caparello, or Cedric Agnew. - KBB logic

Lackeos wrote:Even after defeating Hopkins, Froch would still have to do more to earn a shot at Kovalev -- a fighter who is basically inaccessible unless you have the gargantuan achievements of a Nadjib Mohammedi, Blake Caparello, or Cedric Agnew. - KBB logic

So are you saying that right now Froch gets a shot at Kova ahead of Beterbiev??

KBB wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Even after defeating Hopkins, Froch would still have to do more to earn a shot at Kovalev -- a fighter who is basically inaccessible unless you have the gargantuan achievements of a Nadjib Mohammedi, Blake Caparello, or Cedric Agnew. - KBB logic

So are you saying that right now Froch gets a shot at Kova ahead of Beterbiev??

Big time, if Froch wants it, which I really doubt he wants it. If Froch fights Kovalev the fight after next, he'll be old on top of undersized and fighting a monster. He would get broken in the last fight of his career, and I see no reason why he would want that. But from Kovalev's perspective, an undersized, aging Froch who has the hype of coming off a win against Hopkins is a superb risk-reward proposition; absolutely superb. So much money, moderate risk or less, and it would catapult Kovalev's p4p standing. Beterbiev is a completely terrible risk-reward proposition, given his much smaller following, and the perception that he might actually be pretty dangerous. Yet, Beterbiev is not in anyone's p4p top 10, except maybe some Eastern European die hards, while Froch is universally in every top 10 even without a win over Hopkins. Yeah, if you're Kovalev, you most definitely take the Froch fight if you can get it. As for the Beterbiev fight, if I was Kovalev, I would let it stew for at least 2 years while Beterbiev builds a following; but not much more than that, or Kovalev will start to get too old to win it.

Lackeos wrote:

KBB wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Even after defeating Hopkins, Froch would still have to do more to earn a shot at Kovalev -- a fighter who is basically inaccessible unless you have the gargantuan achievements of a Nadjib Mohammedi, Blake Caparello, or Cedric Agnew. - KBB logic

So are you saying that right now Froch gets a shot at Kova ahead of Beterbiev??

Big time, if Froch wants it, which I really doubt he wants it. If Froch fights Kovalev the fight after next, he'll be old on top of undersized and fighting a monster. He would get broken in the last fight of his career, and I see no reason why he would want that. But from Kovalev's perspective, an undersized, aging Froch who has the hype of coming off a win against Hopkins is a superb risk-reward proposition; absolutely superb. So much money, moderate risk or less, and it would catapult Kovalev's p4p standing. Beterbiev is a completely terrible risk-reward proposition, given his much smaller following, and the perception that he might actually be pretty dangerous. Yet, Beterbiev is not in anyone's p4p top 10, except maybe some Eastern European die hards, while Froch is universally in every top 10 even without a win over Hopkins. Yeah, if you're Kovalev, you most definitely take the Froch fight if you can get it. As for the Beterbiev fight, if I was Kovalev, I would let it stew for at least 2 years while Beterbiev builds a following; but not much more than that, or Kovalev will start to get too old to win it.

The only reason why I asked and I do agree with you above, was because you put up some BS in your last post about what you thought my logic was which just isn't true.

Sure Froch may be someone that Kova could get easily and beat easily, however, given the fact that Froch has never ventured up that far in weight, he is old and been in wars and add to the fact that there may be more deserving LHWs ahead of him more worthy of a shot then that is what I based my logic on.

That logic did not include any of the guys you mentioned but it did include Stevenson, Beterbiev and such and I think it would be totally unfair or may even be considered somewhat of a cherrypick for Kov if he were to take Froch ahead of either of them assuming they'd all be willing and able to make the fight with Kova happen.

I hope this dispels any myths you may have of what you believe my logic to be.