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Fantasy matchup - Mayweather v Hearns at welter?.......could force Floyd into a fight...

ade the grenade wrote:Fantasy matchup - Mayweather v Hearns at welter?.......could force Floyd into a fight...

Hearns wins by blowing a fart on Floyd and KO'ing him.

Hearns on points.

It would be similar to Hearns' fight with Wilfredo Benitez.

Mayweather by heavy KO second round.

I can’t envision any scenario where Floyd comes out on top. I’m not the type that says my era was the best but Hearns was a beast at 147. He could box and punch like no other ww in history, perhaps with Robinson being the lone exception. Hearns was never outboxed in his career. He could win fights with the jab alone. He was a murderous puncher and lethal on the inside. It took a Herculean effort by SRL to beat him. Hearn’s kryptonite was power and Floyd simply doesn’t carry the pop at 147 to keep Tommy honest. Floyd might make it to the final bell but I don’t see him winning many rds. To win, May would be forced to fight on the inside with Hearns and eventually he gets tagged and hurt bad. Logic tells me that Floyd wouldn’t even agree to a Hypothetical match with Hearns

Hearns on points in a cagey bout though I imagine Floyd would be quite rough on the inside, he doesn't have the pop or aggression of SRL.

(I think a bout between Floyd and Don Curry would be fight of the year).

Romi wrote:I can’t envision any scenario where Floyd comes out on top. I’m not the type that says my era was the best but Hearns was a beast at 147. He could box and punch like no other ww in history, perhaps with Robinson being the lone exception. Hearns was never outboxed in his career. He could win fights with the jab alone. He was a murderous puncher and lethal on the inside. It took a Herculean effort by SRL to beat him. Hearn’s kryptonite was power and Floyd simply doesn’t carry the pop at 147 to keep Tommy honest. Floyd might make it to the final bell but I don’t see him winning many rds. To win, May would be forced to fight on the inside with Hearns and eventually he gets tagged and hurt bad. Logic tells me that Floyd wouldn’t even agree to a Hypothetical match with Hearns

I pretty much agree with every line.

Syntax Error wrote:Hearns on points.

It would be similar to Hearns' fight with Wilfredo Benitez.

This is how I see it. Hearns has said on more than one occasion that Floyd would be a tough fight for him or any welterweight in history.

But I would really rather see Floyd in hypothetical match ups at junior lightweight and lightweight. Floyd was 30 plus years old before he moved up to welterweight. He was at an age when a ton of atg fighters were already retired.

Hearns, i struggle to think of more a uncomfortable fight for Floyd at Welter.

Best case scenario for Floyd is that he loses a competitive fight by a clear decision, similar to the Hearns-Benitez fight (in which Hearns fought half the fight with a hurt right hand). Hearns is all wrong for Floyd.

Floyd uses his defense to counter Hearns at every turn, if Pryor's straight ahead style can beat and confound TH, then Floyd's better style and taking less punishment will be far superior.

I say it will be at best a dull MD for Floyd.

When did Hearns fight Pryor?

Are we talking an amateur(3 round) fight with a Teenage Hearns. Yeah, Im sure that is the important analysis.

KBB wrote:Floyd uses his defense to counter Hearns at every turn, if Pryor's straight ahead style can beat and confound TH, then Floyd's better style and taking less punishment will be far superior.

I say it will be at best a dull MD for Floyd.

KBB wrote:Floyd uses his defense to counter Hearns at every turn, if Pryor's straight ahead style can beat and confound TH, then Floyd's better style and taking less punishment will be far superior.

I say it will be at best a dull MD for Floyd.

Sorry mate, but you can't expect to say in another topic that you aren't biased to Floyd, then say that he would beat Thomas Hearns in a welterweight fight and still be taken seriously. Anyone who understands boxing recognises that Hearns is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd. Referencing the Pryor fight is fairly silly, because Hearns was then an 18yo amateur with little power and barely resembled the monster knockout artist he would later become.

What you needed to beat Hearns was a strong jaw, willingness to take punishment, good punching power and ideally physical strength to out-muscle him on the inside. Floyd has a good set of whiskers, but there's no way he's going to win a decision against Hearns fighting on the back foot. We're talking about a guy who is 5 inches taller, with 5 inches longer reach, middleweight-crushing power, comparable handspeed and throws combinations and punches in high volume. Ricardo Mayorga would have a better chance against Thomas Hearns than Floyd Mayweather.

jezzamundo wrote:Sorry mate, but you can't expect to say in another topic that you aren't biased to Floyd, then say that he would beat Thomas Hearns in a welterweight fight and still be taken seriously. Anyone who understands boxing recognises that Hearns is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd. Referencing the Pryor fight is fairly silly, because Hearns was then an 18yo amateur with little power and barely resembled the monster knockout artist he would later become.

What you needed to beat Hearns was a strong jaw, willingness to take punishment, good punching power and ideally physical strength to out-muscle him on the inside. Floyd has a good set of whiskers, but there's no way he's going to win a decision against Hearns fighting on the back foot. We're talking about a guy who is 5 inches taller, with 5 inches longer reach, middleweight-crushing power, comparable handspeed and throws combinations and punches in high volume. Ricardo Mayorga would have a better chance against Thomas Hearns than Floyd Mayweather.

I already admitted I have bias for Floyd but it's obvious that you have hate against him which is why you have picked every fighter to win against him in your last few posts, first Manny and now Hearns....I know he'll never get picked by you and that's ok with me.

Floyd has a very underrated chin, he's taken everyone's best shots and still beat them (Manny hit him and what??), Mosley hit him with his best and what?? Oscar hit him and what?? Maidana hit him and what?? Is Floyd's jaw not strong enough??

Floyd has taken punishment too, from Maidana in a virtual UFC match, with Hatton, Chavez, Corley, Cotto, Augustus, the list goes on and on and he still won. I think you are being too critical and overlooking what he has done because you dislike him, I get that part but don't allow that to cloud the obvious facts about him that he has shown over and over in every bout.

LOL, to saying Mayorga would have a better chance against Hearns than Floyd<<<<talking about not being taken seriously, you just lost all credibility with that statement. I think I'll use your line as my new Sig. LOL, he'd take Mayorga out in the same fashion he took Duran out, both are just come forward brawlers basically but Roberto possessed a little more skills defensively.

Floyd has superior defense to SRL who took Tommy's best and Floyd has as much a proven beard as he does and has never been knocked down (other than Judah), is fast or faster than Leonard, is more accurate than him and we saw what SRL did to Hearns.

Please stop acting as if Hearns was unbeatable, Pryor and SRL both beat him, I'm sure Floyd stands as much of a chance as they do or maybe even better.

Hearns lost to Pryor in '76 when he was an 18 year old amateur lighgweight, Pryor a fantastic fighter was 21 years old and it was a close fight. Hearns was a destructive welter.

SRL beat Hearns in one of the great fights when Leonard turned the tables and pressured Tommy, I can't envisage Floyd either contemplating or attempting to do that.

@ Brut, Floyd love on another level.

Floyd's most effective weapon is his reach, so he can pot/shot and run and judges in his pocket like Moretti lap that shit up. That's why Floyd won't fight guys like P Will or Lara. He doesn't have the reach advantage and couldn't fight in his usually stick and run style. Against Hearns he'd be disadvantage in every way physically, leaving him nowhere to run. Hitman by brutal stoppage inside 3. Different leagues.

I like Hearns better as a dude, but I won't pull a George Foreman and pick the guy I like better. Mayweather UD.

I already admitted I have bias for Floyd but it's obvious that you have hate against him which is why you have picked every fighter to win against him in your last few posts, first Manny and now Hearns....I know he'll never get picked by you and that's ok with me.

I don't hate any fighter, picking Hearns to beat Floyd is common sense if you have any idea about how boxing works - it's just about the worst welterweight fight possible for Floyd. I picked Floyd to beat Manny and the fight was actually a little closer than I expected - in terms of the action, rather than the scorecards. I think Floyd Mayweather is an all time great and the best fighter of his generation, ahead of Pacquiao, Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr.

Floyd has a very underrated chin, he's taken everyone's best shots and still beat them (Manny hit him and what??), Mosley hit him with his best and what?? Oscar hit him and what?? Maidana hit him and what?? Is Floyd's jaw not strong enough??

Floyd has taken punishment too, from Maidana in a virtual UFC match, with Hatton, Chavez, Corley, Cotto, Augustus, the list goes on and on and he still won. I think you are being too critical and overlooking what he has done because you dislike him, I get that part but don't allow that to cloud the obvious facts about him that he has shown over and over in every bout.

Floyd has a very good chin, no question, but Sugar Ray Leonard's chin - in my opinion - is on another level, just like Hearns's punching power is on a higher level than that of Pacquiao or Mosley.

LOL, to saying Mayorga would have a better chance against Hearns than Floyd<<<<talking about not being taken seriously, you just lost all credibility with that statement. I think I'll use your line as my new Sig. LOL, he'd take Mayorga out in the same fashion he took Duran out, both are just come forward brawlers basically but Roberto possessed a little more skills defensively.

I agree, that is the most likely outcome, but at least Mayorga would have a puncher's chance against Hearns. I think Floyd's punching power is underrated, but he certainly doesn't hit as hard as SRL or Barkley and I don't see him hurting Hearns badly enough to keep him off.

Floyd has superior defense to SRL who took Tommy's best and Floyd has as much a proven beard as he does and has never been knocked down (other than Judah), is fast or faster than Leonard, is more accurate than him and we saw what SRL did to Hearns.

Please stop acting as if Hearns was unbeatable, Pryor and SRL both beat him, I'm sure Floyd stands as much of a chance as they do or maybe even better.

Floyd is defensively better than Leonard, but it wasn't Leonard's defense that beat Hearns. Again, the Pryor fight is pretty much irrelevant in this comparison, although I would argue that his high-volume, come-forward style poses Tommy more problems than anything Floyd has to offer. Back to Leonard, he was a naturally bigger, stronger man than Floyd, with a granite chin and considerably more punching power.

Thomas Hearns was far from unbeatable, but in his long career, he was never outboxed and never beaten by a technical fighter - not even the great (though arguably slightly post prime) Wilfredo Benitez, when Hearns hurt his hand midway through the fight. Styles make fights and Floyd doesn't have the required style to beat him.

Tony1244 wrote:I like Hearns better as a dude, but I won't pull a George Foreman and pick the guy I like better. Mayweather UD.

How do you see the fight unfolding. I just can't see any scenario where Mayweather wins, though I think he has a decent chance of going the distance and losing a wide decision.

[quote="jezzamundo"]I don't hate any fighter, picking Hearns to beat Floyd is common sense if you have any idea about how boxing works - it's just about the worst welterweight fight possible for Floyd. I picked Floyd to beat Manny and the fight was actually a little closer than I expected - in terms of the action, rather than the scorecards. I think Floyd Mayweather is an all time great and the best fighter of his generation, ahead of Pacquiao, Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr.

In boxing there's no such thing as picking with common sense because there's always that opportunity for anyone to get caught, as far as knowing "how" boxing works then I'm sure I've been in the ring and been on this Earth longer than you and have every idea of exactly how it works, so please try to stick to what little you know if you are going to be assuming you know more based on what you deem as "common sense".

Floyd has a very good chin, no question, but Sugar Ray Leonard's chin - in my opinion - is on another level, just like Hearns's punching power is on a higher level than that of Pacquiao or Mosley.

SRL has been knocked down numerous times, so while I have no doubt he has a good beard I wouldn't say his chin is on another level, David Tua had a chin that was on another level and Ray Leonard was nowhere in that league of beards.

I agree, that is the most likely outcome, but at least Mayorga would have a puncher's chance against Hearns. I think Floyd's punching power is underrated, but he certainly doesn't hit as hard as SRL or Barkley and I don't see him hurting Hearns badly enough to keep him off.

Again, if Floyd's power is so minimal and let's not even act like Hearn's chin is anywhere near granite (dude has been KO'd and knocked down several times) then why is it that none of his opponents simply walk through him? You honestly think Hearns with his suspect beard would just try to walk Mayweather down??

Floyd is defensively better than Leonard, but it wasn't Leonard's defense that beat Hearns. Again, the Pryor fight is pretty much irrelevant in this comparison, although I would argue that his high-volume, come-forward style poses Tommy more problems than anything Floyd has to offer. Back to Leonard, he was a naturally bigger, stronger man than Floyd, with a granite chin and considerably more punching power.

It was a combination of SRL's offense and a lack of a great defense on Tommy's part that eventually did Hearns in, Tommy was ahead in several rounds and got caught (remember your "common sense") and that signaled the beginning of the end for Hearns. Floyd has a far superior defense than SRL and the best transition from offense to defense and back in this sport, I'm sure the amount of missing and being countered would play as much effect in this bout between Floyd and Tommy as it did between SRL and Hearns thus leaving numerous opportunities for counterpunches and missing to tire Hearns out as much as he was done vs Leonard.

Thomas Hearns was far from unbeatable, but in his long career, he was never outboxed and never beaten by a technical fighter - not even the great (though arguably slightly post prime) Wilfredo Benitez, when Hearns hurt his hand midway through the fight. Styles make fights and Floyd doesn't have the required style to beat him.

Floyd was never beaten and surely wasn't beaten by any style thus far and he's faced them all, you're right; styles do make fights but I don't believe Hearns has the required style to beat Floyd.

I guess we'll both have to agree to disagree because all it amounts to is speculation on both our parts; mine is for my bias and yours is due to Mayweather not being one of your favorite fighters. I got it, agree to disagree and this is settled.

Have a nice day. my quotes are in bold

jezzamundo wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:I like Hearns better as a dude, but I won't pull a George Foreman and pick the guy I like better. Mayweather UD.

How do you see the fight unfolding. I just can't see any scenario where Mayweather wins, though I think he has a decent chance of going the distance and losing a wide decision.

After thinking about it some, Hearns did have that awesome reach. I'd still likely go with Mayweather. Perhaps, Mayweather would beat Hearns the same way SRL did the first time. Hearns didn't have a stellar chin, and Mayweather's power is a bit underrated. We're all guessing obviously.

Hearns didn't have an iron jaw but he had steel fists and the absolute knowledge that if he landed the other fella was in a lot of trouble, he also had a ramrod jab and utterly spiteful body punches. To land anything at all Floyd would be putting himself in grave danger, some of Hearn's KOs are prime examples of accuracy, power and timing. At welter Tommy wins.

The Hearns that went into the first fight with Leonard destroys Floyd, as does that The Leonard who fought Hearns in that first great fight.
I also think Mosley and De La Hoya who first fought each other win over 50% of their fights with Floyd, Meaning if they Mosley of this era fights Floyd 10 times this Mosley wins at least 5 times.

Floyd fought Mosley and De Lahoya but way past their primes..

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I don't hate any fighter, picking Hearns to beat Floyd is common sense if you have any idea about how boxing works - it's just about the worst welterweight fight possible for Floyd. I picked Floyd to beat Manny and the fight was actually a little closer than I expected - in terms of the action, rather than the scorecards. I think Floyd Mayweather is an all time great and the best fighter of his generation, ahead of Pacquiao, Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr.

In boxing there's no such thing as picking with common sense because there's always that opportunity for anyone to get caught, as far as knowing "how" boxing works then I'm sure I've been in the ring and been on this Earth longer than you and have every idea of exactly how it works, so please try to stick to what little you know if you are going to be assuming you know more based on what you deem as "common sense".

Floyd has a very good chin, no question, but Sugar Ray Leonard's chin - in my opinion - is on another level, just like Hearns's punching power is on a higher level than that of Pacquiao or Mosley.

SRL has been knocked down numerous times, so while I have no doubt he has a good beard I wouldn't say his chin is on another level, David Tua had a chin that was on another level and Ray Leonard was nowhere in that league of beards.

I agree, that is the most likely outcome, but at least Mayorga would have a puncher's chance against Hearns. I think Floyd's punching power is underrated, but he certainly doesn't hit as hard as SRL or Barkley and I don't see him hurting Hearns badly enough to keep him off.

Again, if Floyd's power is so minimal and let's not even act like Hearn's chin is anywhere near granite (dude has been KO'd and knocked down several times) then why is it that none of his opponents simply walk through him? You honestly think Hearns with his suspect beard would just try to walk Mayweather down??

Floyd is defensively better than Leonard, but it wasn't Leonard's defense that beat Hearns. Again, the Pryor fight is pretty much irrelevant in this comparison, although I would argue that his high-volume, come-forward style poses Tommy more problems than anything Floyd has to offer. Back to Leonard, he was a naturally bigger, stronger man than Floyd, with a granite chin and considerably more punching power.

It was a combination of SRL's offense and a lack of a great defense on Tommy's part that eventually did Hearns in, Tommy was ahead in several rounds and got caught (remember your "common sense") and that signaled the beginning of the end for Hearns. Floyd has a far superior defense than SRL and the best transition from offense to defense and back in this sport, I'm sure the amount of missing and being countered would play as much effect in this bout between Floyd and Tommy as it did between SRL and Hearns thus leaving numerous opportunities for counterpunches and missing to tire Hearns out as much as he was done vs Leonard.

Thomas Hearns was far from unbeatable, but in his long career, he was never outboxed and never beaten by a technical fighter - not even the great (though arguably slightly post prime) Wilfredo Benitez, when Hearns hurt his hand midway through the fight. Styles make fights and Floyd doesn't have the required style to beat him.

Floyd was never beaten and surely wasn't beaten by any style thus far and he's faced them all, you're right; styles do make fights but I don't believe Hearns has the required style to beat Floyd.

I guess we'll both have to agree to disagree because all it amounts to is speculation on both our parts; mine is for my bias and yours is due to Mayweather not being one of your favorite fighters. I got it, agree to disagree and this is settled.

Have a nice day. my quotes are in bold

We'll certainly have to agree to disagree - I think you're either crazy or letting your Floyd love get in the way of seeing the reality of this matchup. Out of interest, who do you think could/would beat Floyd Mayweather?