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he was on the verge of becoming a big star and since over 1 year nothing from him. how stupid can somebody be?

even if he had problems with bob arum.

why did he simply not wait for his top rank contract to end and than go on his own, without all those court disputes tha take way to much time?

super lightweight is getting loaded up, he is getting out of shape by not boxing, while he could make millions against guys like danny, matthysse, broner or crawford. remember there were even talks with him against pacquiao , but being unemployed, losing shape and always going to court is much more productive.

Maybe its not as easy as it seems, these legal issues which louse up boxers careers are not easily resolved, I'm sure there's nothing more than Garcia would like to do than box again soon, I imagine not earning and shelling out on lawyers is a really crappy situation to be in and they wouldn't tolerate it if they had no other choice.

palooka wrote:Maybe its not as easy as it seems, these legal issues which louse up boxers careers are not easily resolved, I'm sure there's nothing more than Garcia would like to do than box again soon, I imagine not earning and shelling out on lawyers is a really crappy situation to be in and they wouldn't tolerate it if they had no other choice.

explain to me what is so complicated in the legal issue?

my understanding is, you make a conract as a boxer with a promoter of a certain period of time and than you are free and choose another promotion or do it on your own, what is there which is super complictaed?

even if mickey was not satisfied with bob arum, he should have simply fight as long as he had his contract with top rank and than at the end of contract he would have been free to do whatever he pleases. i mean, its stupid to get out of an exsisting contract and waist 1 1/2 years of your career, when you are physicly in your prime and could do millions.

I've been a boxing fan for over 30 years and can remember that fighters would get towzrd the end of a contract with a manager or promoter and they would not want the boxer to leave, they would try to extend the contract by adding further options. If the boxer did not want this the manaher/promoter would string things out knowing that it was the boxer that suffered. Don King used to do it a lot.

palooka wrote:I've been a boxing fan for over 30 years and can remember that fighters would get towzrd the end of a contract with a manager or promoter and they would not want the boxer to leave, they would try to extend the contract by adding further options. If the boxer did not want this the manaher/promoter would string things out knowing that it was the boxer that suffered. Don King used to do it a lot.

so this is how usa court works. you make up things that never happened and court takes 2 years to end it? poor usa.

for me, it is very simple. you make a contract, lets say over 5 years, from 2010 till 2015, you box during that period of time and than 2016 you are free and as long as the signed contract say that the time span that you were business is 5 years, than it is easy for any judge to say that you are free, cause your contract has ended.

further options made by a promoter as you say, have 0 validation if they are not signed with the boxer. a promoter can ask for any further options, but as long as the boxer does not sign the contract with the further options, than nothing happened. very easy for an judge to understand this and judge it. if there were further options signed by mickey and mickey doesnt want it, than mickey is super dumb for not reading correctling with his atorney what exactly he was signing for.

After Don King stole hundreds of millions of dollars from Tyson. Boxers have to deal with lawyers...courts...etc.

Promoters r always trying to pull something on their fighters. Arum is a tricky bastard...just ask Floyd or ODLH.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:After Don King stole hundreds of millions of dollars from Tyson. Boxers have to deal with lawyers...courts...etc.

Promoters r always trying to pull something on their fighters. Arum is a tricky bastard...just ask Floyd or ODLH.

yeah but oscar and floyd simply fullfild the contract and than left. and stop with tyson and don king, tyson is a great boxer, but a very stupid person, naiv and dumb, easily to rob this guy, all he cared during his career besides kicking ass was women, women and women, he was so dumb not overviewing his income and where exactly his money is and what kindof % his mangers etc got.

If it were just Mikey Garcia out for such a long period we could maybe say, 'Wow, isn't Mikey a stupid person?' Many boxers suffer long periods of inactivity through litigation and though fans can often see a common sense solution it is often in the lawyer's interests to drag matters out - the boxer is often a side issue to the shenanigans of the manager and the wranglings of the lawyers.

palooka wrote:If it were just Mikey Garcia out for such a long period we could maybe say, 'Wow, isn't Mikey a stupid person?' Many boxers suffer long periods of inactivity through litigation and though fans can often see a common sense solution it is often in the lawyer's interests to drag matters out - the boxer is often a side issue to the shenanigans of the manager and the wranglings of the lawyers.

i dont think so. a boxer just always talk to his lawyers and managers and be up to date, certainly on contract issues.

as i know, a lot of boxers who are inactive are, because they simply arent interrested on boxing like direll, or they have 0 fan following and do not make the money they would like to do and therefore wait for bette ropportunitys like ward.

I got the impression that it was the promoter or manager who would want to extend the agreements by adding options when the boxer got to the last fight of the contractual obligation. There have been excellent careers ruined by belligerent promoters, jealous that a boxer wants to leave the outfit - they seem to think that they themselves made the boxer a success and not the fighters toil and talent.

I'm OK to disagree on this one

He wants to be a cop. He doesn't love boxing.

Things are rarely as simple as they seem. We don't know the details yet.

Chepppaaa wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:After Don King stole hundreds of millions of dollars from Tyson. Boxers have to deal with lawyers...courts...etc.

Promoters r always trying to pull something on their fighters. Arum is a tricky bastard...just ask Floyd or ODLH.

yeah but oscar and floyd simply fullfild the contract and than left. and stop with tyson and don king, tyson is a great boxer, but a very stupid person, naiv and dumb, easily to rob this guy, all he cared during his career besides kicking ass was women, women and women, he was so dumb not overviewing his income and where exactly his money is and what kindof % his mangers etc got.

Floyd and JCC Jr bought their way out of Top Rank. Not sure about Oscar tho

Chepppaaa wrote:

palooka wrote:If it were just Mikey Garcia out for such a long period we could maybe say, 'Wow, isn't Mikey a stupid person?' Many boxers suffer long periods of inactivity through litigation and though fans can often see a common sense solution it is often in the lawyer's interests to drag matters out - the boxer is often a side issue to the shenanigans of the manager and the wranglings of the lawyers.

i dont think so. a boxer just always talk to his lawyers and managers and be up to date, certainly on contract issues.

as i know, a lot of boxers who are inactive are, because they simply arent interrested on boxing like direll, or they have 0 fan following and do not make the money they would like to do and therefore wait for bette ropportunitys like ward.

I'm so glad Ward came back for that megafight with Paul Smith. Myself and the other fourteen people who will be watching are very excited.

Seriously, I sometimes wonder if you just cut words out of magazines, and mix them around in a hat to come up with posts.

5burowz wrote:He wants to be a cop. He doesn't love boxing.

I think that THIS is the best point facing Mikey's career issues. Mikey never seemed to be happy to be a fighter. I remember seeing an interview with him where he wanted to be the only person in his family to graduate from college and make a living with his head. Some kids don't like that smell of the gym every day as a kid and being stuck inside doing a sport they were born into and never had a passion for. He's made some good money from the sport and seems to be pretty happy without it.

Let's face it, you could have all the skill in the world but if you hate what you are doing and only in it for the money, it's just a matter of time before they either they sabotage it themselves on purpose or find legal pathways to get out of it. He's been knocked down by some soft punchers and couldn't have been brought up more carefully so who knows if this kid was any good anyhow? He's never really beaten anyone worth a lick.