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....from 154-160 and excluding Mayweather? Is there anyone in that range you'd favor over him?

None of them.

Nobody. If he can get canelo or cotto then fair play, it's worth sticking around just for the $$$$ and Lara wouldn't be such a bad name on the resume. But they all get beat.

Move up, man. 168 isn't the division it was a couple of years ago and I think he'll do just fine there, and at least the fights will be more competitive. At this stage all these fights above are mismatches.

Lemieux: Golovkin KO 2

Lee: Golovkin KO 10

Cotto: Golovkin KO 7

Canelo: Golovkin KO 6

N'dam: Golovkin KO 9

Quillin: Golovkin KO 11

Jacobs: Golovkin KO 3

Lara: Golovkin KO 12

These guys just have no chance lol .... but seriously the only guy I think could beat him is Cotto. But even then I do not see that happening. GGG right now is #1 at 160 and isn't going to lose soon imo

Who ever voted for Lemiuex is a joke he would get stopped in 2.

Lara, ward and canelo have chances.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Who ever voted for Lemiuex is a joke he would get stopped in 2.

We seem to agree on a lot of things

Lemieux would be an interesting opponent to me because although he's probably the most limited skill-wise of those listed I think he's arguably the hardest puncher, and if he can't keep GGG honest I'm not sure if anyone at 160 could. Obviously the losses to Rubio and Alcine don't look good but I think he's improved since then, and the N'dam bout could tell us a lot about whether that's true.

crusader wrote:Lemieux would be an interesting opponent to me because although he's probably the most limited skill-wise of those listed I think he's arguably the hardest puncher, and if he can't keep GGG honest I'm not sure if anyone at 160 could.

I agree to an extent. But Joachim Alcine of all guys was able to nullify Lemieux's power fairly easily using timing, spacing, good jab. Alcine was a guy who Lemieux was suppose to KO fairly early

Power doesn't matter to GGG he treats people with contempt. He is going to have to move up a good two weight divisions before anyone's power can affect him. He literally doesn't care who lands flush or when at the moment he's that comfortable he doesn't even try to defend against it - he just walks through everyone.

Ian1973 wrote:Power doesn't matter to GGG he treats people with contempt. He is going to have to move up a good two weight divisions before anyone's power can affect him. He literally doesn't care who lands flush or when at the moment he's that comfortable he doesn't even try to defend against it - he just walks through everyone.

Willie Monroe of all guys was snapping his head back pretty good. He's no KO puncher. There are better punchers than him in the middleweight division and GGG is a hittable guy. Going to be interesting to see how he deals with it when he faces one.

I agree to an extent. But Joachim Alcine of all guys was able to nullify Lemieux's power fairly easily using timing, spacing, good jab. Alcine was a guy who Lemieux was suppose to KO fairly early

That's true, but I don't think Lemieux was adequately prepared and in my view he mentally wasn't in the right place following the loss to Rubio. That's not to say that the Alcine fight didn't expose limitations that Lemieux still has, but I think he's made subtle adjustments (e.g. more jabs) and paces himself better. I get the sense that GGG takes many of the shots he does not because he can't evade them, but because he doesn't respect his opponents' power, and to me Lemieux is perhaps the best candidate to make him take a step back and focus more on not being hit.

Power doesn't matter to GGG he treats people with contempt. He is going to have to move up a good two weight divisions before anyone's power can affect him. He literally doesn't care who lands flush or when at the moment he's that comfortable he doesn't even try to defend against it - he just walks through everyone.

GGG has a good chin and I don't think someone will beat him just with power, but I'm not conviced that he'd be able to walk through clean shots from a puncher with two-handed power such as Lemieux in the way he's walked through most of his opponent's punches.

CrazyHorse wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Power doesn't matter to GGG he treats people with contempt. He is going to have to move up a good two weight divisions before anyone's power can affect him. He literally doesn't care who lands flush or when at the moment he's that comfortable he doesn't even try to defend against it - he just walks through everyone.

Willie Monroe of all guys was snapping his head back pretty good. He's no KO puncher. There are better punchers than him in the middleweight division and GGG is a hittable guy. Going to be interesting to see how he deals with it when he faces one.

Monroe was lively but didn't bother GGG one bit. Murray was the same GGG plowed forward and allowed Murray clean shots, didn't even flinch.

You only have to look at EVERY GGG fight, never does he look in any sort of trouble. I haven't even seen him rocked, not once.

crusader wrote:GGG has a good chin and I don't think someone will beat him just with power, but I'm not conviced that he'd be able to walk through clean shots from a puncher with two-handed power such as Lemieux in the way he's walked through most of his opponent's punches.

Just got through saying a guy like Joachin Alcine was able to nullify the power of David Lemieux. GGG is a smart enough boxer to adapt to Lemieux. Lemieux is not winning no world title as long as GGG is around. I don't even consider him a top 10 guy in the MW division. Lemieux shows promise with his power against lower opposition but it's a different story when guys in the top of the division know how to box effectively

Ian1973 wrote:Monroe was lively but didn't bother GGG one bit. Murray was the same GGG plowed forward and allowed Murray clean shots, didn't even flinch.

You only have to look at EVERY GGG fight, never does he look in any sort of trouble. I haven't even seen him rocked, not once.

Monroe did have success against GGG. Murray was hitting GGG but is Murray a power puncher? No. Other than Curtis Stevens who is known as a good power puncher?

CrazyHorse wrote:

crusader wrote:GGG has a good chin and I don't think someone will beat him just with power, but I'm not conviced that he'd be able to walk through clean shots from a puncher with two-handed power such as Lemieux in the way he's walked through most of his opponent's punches.

Just got through saying a guy like Joachin Alcine was able to nullify the power of David Lemieux. GGG is a smart enough boxer to adapt to Lemieux. Lemieux is not winning no world title as long as GGG is around. I don't even consider him a top 10 guy in the MW division. Lemieux shows promise with his power against lower opposition but it's a different story when guys in the top of the division know how to box effectively

That line says it all and you see it time after time after time, in all sports. It's all about levels.

CrazyHorse wrote:

crusader wrote:GGG has a good chin and I don't think someone will beat him just with power, but I'm not conviced that he'd be able to walk through clean shots from a puncher with two-handed power such as Lemieux in the way he's walked through most of his opponent's punches.

Just got through saying a guy like Joachin Alcine was able to nullify the power of David Lemieux. GGG is a smart enough boxer to adapt to Lemieux. Lemieux is not winning no world title as long as GGG is around. I don't even consider him a top 10 guy in the MW division. Lemieux shows promise with his power against lower opposition but it's a different story when guys in the top of the division know how to box effectively

I noticed that you mentioned that, but I think Lemieux has improved since fighting Alcine and GGG is there to be hit, at least unless he changes his strategy. In my opinion Lemieux at least has the potential to make GGG adjust, while I think that most of the fighters on the list, even though they may be better overall, don't.

That line says it all and you see it time after time after time, in all sports. It's all about levels.

Absolutely, and I expect that Lemieux would be stopped by GGG, but even having not fought the best opposition I think he's clearly a harder puncher than virtually every other fighter in the division.

CrazyHorse wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Monroe was lively but didn't bother GGG one bit. Murray was the same GGG plowed forward and allowed Murray clean shots, didn't even flinch.

You only have to look at EVERY GGG fight, never does he look in any sort of trouble. I haven't even seen him rocked, not once.

Monroe did have success against GGG. Murray was hitting GGG but is Murray a power puncher? No. Other than Curtis Stevens who is known as a good power puncher?

How did Stevens do against Golovkin?

crusader wrote:I noticed that you mentioned that, but I think Lemieux has improved since fighting Alcine and GGG is there to be hit, at least unless he changes his strategy. In my opinion Lemieux at least has the potential to make GGG adjust, while I think that most of the fighters on the list, even though they may be better overall, don't.

Until Lemieux shows me that he can use his power effectively against the best of the division I'm going to be skeptical. To date he has no wins of note really

Ian1973 wrote:How did Stevens do against Golovkin?

Now see, that is my point. Stevens didn't do welll against GGG. Problem is he is the only guy of note that I know that was known as a puncher on his resume. Stevens is a decent fighter don't get me wrong but let's not pretend like he was a top 5 fighter in the division at the time. I want to see GGG against a real puncher and a top guy in the division and I want to see how he reacts and or adjusts

I thought GGG fought more cautiously against Stevens than he usually does, and Stevens did have some moments despite ultimately being outclassed. In my view Lemieux is better than Stevens though, and unlike Stevens he posses two-handed power and not simply a hard but predictable left hook. I also think that among the punchers of the division Lee is better than Stevens, but he's struggled several times with strong, agressive fighters and I'd expect him to be taken out fairly early.

Looking past these punchers, I think Canelo has the best mix of abilities to test GGG, as he can punch a bit, box a bit, and has a strong inside game. A big question I have with him is his stamina though, and despite impressively stopping Kirkland he did look uncomfortable with the pace to me.

Until Lemieux shows me that he can use his power effectively against the best of the division I'm going to be skeptical. To date he has no wins of note really

That's fair enough. I think he'll show his power against N'dam, and if he doesn't I suspect it will be due to not being able to land much (and I don't think he'd have problems hitting GGG unless the latter made adjustments) rather than not having the power to do damage when he lands.

CrazyHorse wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:How did Stevens do against Golovkin?

Now see, that is my point. Stevens didn't do welll against GGG. Problem is he is the only guy of note that I know that was known as a puncher on his resume. Stevens is a decent fighter don't get me wrong but let's not pretend like he was a top 5 fighter in the division at the time

The point is you say Stevens is a puncher - where did he remotely bother Golovkin? If Golovkin didn't respect his power why would he respect the power of someone like Lemieux?

Ian1973 wrote:

CrazyHorse wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:How did Stevens do against Golovkin?

Now see, that is my point. Stevens didn't do welll against GGG. Problem is he is the only guy of note that I know that was known as a puncher on his resume. Stevens is a decent fighter don't get me wrong but let's not pretend like he was a top 5 fighter in the division at the time

The point is you say Stevens is a puncher - where did he remotely bother Golovkin? If Golovkin didn't respect his power why would he respect the power of someone like Lemieux?

What I don't think you understand about the sport of boxing is you can be a great puncher but not hurt a guy. Look back at the Lemieux vs Alcine fight for example which I was talking about earlier. Lemieux is a big puncher, Alcine doesn't have that great of a chin. Now logic says that Lemieux was suppose to win that fight in stunning fashion right? Most fans just like me thought Lemieux was going to win that fight by an early ko which turned out wrong. Alcine was able to nullify his power, mostly with his effective jab. Which shows that Lemieux (at the time) was a very limited fighter. Do I still say Lemieux is a limited fighter in some ways? Yes. I think Lemieux is going to lose his next fight. It's all about levels man.

I have this hang up with Canelo, if he couldn't stop Matthew Hatton how good is he really (mind you neither did Kell Brook? He then got well and truly outboxed by Mayweather. Against the very top level opponents I feel he'll always fall short. Can you imagine Matthew Hatton going the distance with GGG?

What fans of GGG have to start worrying about is if these c level fighters that hrs been facing lately is doing hin more harm than good.

Reason i say that is because he seems to be falling in love too much with his power, and we all know that when a fighter just starts abandoning his skill cuz he doesnt have to use it it can reach a point where he just cant get it back.

I like GGG but i hope thats it for him as far as facing no hopers. He can forget about Canelo right now who is a division lower and doesn't need him .Cotto is gonna be tied up with Canelo soon so imo GGG is will need to look up a division.

He's a beast right so facing guys one measley division higher will be no biggie.

Also on a side note GGG looks to be an adoptive mexican now since he moved to cali.

That's a good point Ian and I think that Canelo's win over Kirkland significantly flatters his power. I do think he's a better boxer now than he was when he was fighting the likes of Hatton, but power-wise I still merely consider him heavy-handed rather than a blast you out type.