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Only other time I saw his head bounce back like that was against southpaw Ouma, and against southpaw Monroe.
Proska was southpaw but didn't seem to do as well as Monroe and Ouma. Maybe southpaws are a chink in GGG armour.
Always new GGG defense a little shaky, got good chin and his offense seems to be his best defense, hell of an offense for sure, I think this Monroe fight will actually help GGG down the line as it kinda battle hardens him with the challenge that Monroe gave and he won't be caught by surprise of a serious challenge further on in his career.

victor-romeo wrote:Only other time I saw his head bounce back like that was against southpaw Ouma, and against southpaw Monroe.
Proska was southpaw but didn't seem to do as well as Monroe and Ouma. Maybe southpaws are a chink in GGG armour.
Always new GGG defense a little shaky, got good chin and his offense seems to be his best defense, hell of an offense for sure, I think this Monroe fight will actually help GGG down the line as it kinda battle hardens him with the challenge that Monroe gave and he won't be caught by surprise of a serious challenge further on in his career.

Besides him having holes in his defense the two things that concerned me about him was the fact he appeared winded within the 5th round and he had immense swelling around his eyes and this is from a guy who only has 6 KO's, I wonder what happens to him when he faces guys who are not going to be afraid to give him a dose of his own medicine.

I think the SP stance did give him a little difficulty but he seemed to know where to position his feet and how to cut off the ring so it wasn't that much of a detriment to him as it was in comparison to Manny who couldn't figure out how to do either.

GGG is an animal, he's made of iron, he walks men down and knocks them tfo.

His goal right now is prize fighting. He needs to build an image and a brand. Outboxing guys without getting hit or taking risks isn't going to get him to ppv status.

Ricky_ wrote:GGG is an animal, he's made of iron, he walks men down and knocks them tfo.

His goal right now is prize fighting. He needs to build an image and a brand. Outboxing guys without getting hit or taking risks isn't going to get him to ppv status.

Nice cheap shot at Floyd but it got Mayweather there and he beat Manny to add to that but allow me to add to GGG, he isn't beating top tiered fighters, he's beating guy that are maybe C+ or B+ level fighters so he is only doing what he's supposed to do at this point.

Let's be honest, how many people actually thought a guy with 6 KO's was going to be able to keep Golovkin off of him for the entire fight?

Only people who think a fighter who doesn't know how to cut off a ring and force the other guy into a fight believes that GGG is beating world class opposition.

An immense swelling? GGG is the type who marks up fairly easily but I don't think it was particularly bad against Monroe.

lol ricky you are very short sided. My understanding of GGG is that he has enough power to "box" and still knock people out (like many said he did in round 2 in which he landed a crushing left hook by "boxing".) So instead of douching around and jabbing mayweather whenever you can... just be cool.. if thats possible.

P.S. If GGG was destroying people AND not getting hit like floyd, youre a damned fool if you dont think he would be the next PPV star(which by the way i think he is anyway)

victor-romeo wrote:Only other time I saw his head bounce back like that was against southpaw Ouma, and against southpaw Monroe.
Proska was southpaw but didn't seem to do as well as Monroe and Ouma. Maybe southpaws are a chink in GGG armour.
Always new GGG defense a little shaky, got good chin and his offense seems to be his best defense, hell of an offense for sure, I think this Monroe fight will actually help GGG down the line as it kinda battle hardens him with the challenge that Monroe gave and he won't be caught by surprise of a serious challenge further on in his career.

Was Gennady's head bouncing back in the first two rounds ? No, he was outboxing Monroe without significant effort and almost finished him in the second. He didn't want the fight to look like total mismatch and fans who bought tickets being disapponted, so he decided to entertain them a little by opening up. Monroe also changed his tactics after the second, because he realized that running and staying outside wasn't working for him.

Gennady demonstrated that he can box in the first two rounds, so theories about holes are baseless.

GGG has made efew quit now but is very easy to hit and looks a tad on the slowish side with his hand's/feet was fairly marked up by a light puncher
like Monroe so it will be very interesting to see what happens against Canelo/Lara/Ward I think GGG would be vunrable.

Has GGG ever struggled to cut off the ring against an opponent? Maybe not the fastest feet but they're very effective. I also don't see the big deal with him being slightly marked up and it's happened before in fights he's won easily.

I think Ward would beat GGG-- he has the speed to land first, the inside sharpness and smothering ability to best GGG in close and prevent him from fighting at his ideal distance, and defense that is tight enough to avoid bombs when he's in GGG's ideal striking range; he may not take the best punch and seems like he could be hurt, but I don't think he's going to easily fall apart if GGG lands some good shots and we don't know how GGG's power carries up. I'd confidently favor GGG against Canelo and especially Lara, who is one of the most overrated fighters in the sport and has already seriously struggled with relatively small and limited opponents like Angulo and Molina.

crusader wrote:Has GGG ever struggled to cut off the ring against an opponent? Maybe not the fastest feet but they're very effective. I also don't see the big deal with him being slightly marked up and it's happened before in fights he's won easily.

I think Ward would beat GGG-- he has the speed to land first, the inside sharpness and smothering ability to best GGG in close and prevent him from fighting at his ideal distance, and defense that is tight enough to avoid bombs when he's in GGG's ideal striking range; he may not take the best punch and seems like he could be hurt, but I don't think he's going to easily fall apart if GGG lands some good shots and we don't know how GGG's power carries up. I'd confidently favor GGG against Canelo and especially Lara, who is one of the most overrated fighters in the sport and has already seriously struggled with limited opponents like Angulo and Molina.

We don't know if Andre will be able to keep his sharpness and smothering ability after GGG lands a few body shots.

Speaking about Lara, he did make Canelo look ridiculous, just neglected to land a few extra punches to get a win. I don't think that he would be able to do the same with GGG who is more skilled than Canelo in general and in particular in cutting off the ring.

ikorolev wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:Only other time I saw his head bounce back like that was against southpaw Ouma, and against southpaw Monroe.
Proska was southpaw but didn't seem to do as well as Monroe and Ouma. Maybe southpaws are a chink in GGG armour.
Always new GGG defense a little shaky, got good chin and his offense seems to be his best defense, hell of an offense for sure, I think this Monroe fight will actually help GGG down the line as it kinda battle hardens him with the challenge that Monroe gave and he won't be caught by surprise of a serious challenge further on in his career.

Was Gennady's head bouncing back in the first two rounds ? No, he was outboxing Monroe without significant effort and almost finished him in the second. He didn't want the fight to look like total mismatch and fans who bought tickets being disapponted, so he decided to entertain them a little by opening up. Monroe also changed his tactics after the second, because he realized that running and staying outside wasn't working for him.

Gennady demonstrated that he can box in the first two rounds, so theories about holes are baseless.

your statement has almost two contradictory concepts in it that GGG was winning easy and decided to open up what ever that means, get hit in the face, throw more punches than earlier what ever.
What did happen was as you said the style of the fight changed and when Monroe stopped running he started doing better and hitting GGG in face and even stunning him I think once, I don't think GGG let this guy hit him in the face just to please the fans, I think Monroes change in style and guts allowed him to get some shots in on GGG.
The thing about getting hit in the face to please the fans is just a cover story for being challenged the way he was and kinda disrespectful to Monroes effort.

GGG is a wrecking ball. Pure and simple, and if the Monroe fight showed anything it is GGG has a hard head. No chinks on display.

Golovkin "gassing" seems to be said everybody he goes more than a few rounds (Monroe, Murray and Ouma being 3 examples) I suspect it's just a look he has, a bit like Vitaly often boxing with his mouth open.

As for the marking up, he had a small bruise under an eye iirc no major swelling.

There are flaws there but the Monroe fight told us nothing we didn't already know about the guy.

ikorolev wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:Only other time I saw his head bounce back like that was against southpaw Ouma, and against southpaw Monroe.
Proska was southpaw but didn't seem to do as well as Monroe and Ouma. Maybe southpaws are a chink in GGG armour.
Always new GGG defense a little shaky, got good chin and his offense seems to be his best defense, hell of an offense for sure, I think this Monroe fight will actually help GGG down the line as it kinda battle hardens him with the challenge that Monroe gave and he won't be caught by surprise of a serious challenge further on in his career.

Was Gennady's head bouncing back in the first two rounds ? No, he was outboxing Monroe without significant effort and almost finished him in the second. He didn't want the fight to look like total mismatch and fans who bought tickets being disapponted, so he decided to entertain them a little by opening up. Monroe also changed his tactics after the second, because he realized that running and staying outside wasn't working for him.

Gennady demonstrated that he can box in the first two rounds, so theories about holes are baseless.

Exactly this.

Also about golovkin stamina. Go watch The Martin Murray fight, he landed 292 punches and threw 800+ and in the 11th round he was as active and as tireless as the 1st round.

Golovkin could have easily finished monroe in the 2nd round, he had a full minute to do it after the 1st two Knockdowns, He just didnt want to, which I dont really blame him for.

He has showed us that he can box very very well, As Monroe couldnt do anything to him in the first 2 rounds and landed very few punches on him.. Ofc the Casual fans will say that he has no defence and he has no footwork and Blah Blah Blah..

victor-romeo wrote:The thing about getting hit in the face to please the fans is just a cover story for being challenged the way he was and kinda disrespectful to Monroes effort.

i believe monroe quit in the 6th because he was a humanitarian and realized GGG was in so much danger
that he took pitty on him and decided to save GGG from harm. if these so-called champions would finally
trick GGG into getting in the ring with them, then this fraud that they call GGG will be exposed as a paper
tiger. GGG is severaly limited in the way he demolishes all his opponents and it certainly isn't GGG who
is dictating the flow of the fight. he is just lucky to squeek by these guys and you could drive a truck through
these chinks in his armor. when he fights any real elite middleweight, he is going to be in trouble.

It may be that Golovkin backs off instead of finishing opponents but sometimes i think it maybe that in the same way that Rigondeaux goes into cruise control when he knows his opponent is beaten, GGG does something similar.

It's as if he needs to know he can beat his opponent (2nd round in this fight) but usually after a KD and once he knows ad has shown to his opponent and the crowd that he is the superior fighter he eases back the intensity to almost sparring level until the end comes.

I'm not sure that this point even comes in a Ward fight (if Ward is still Ward) so i'd expect him to look much less gung ho they we are used to seeing.

Only possible chink in the armor that I noticed is that if you trade with Golovkin Golovkin trades with you. So far anyone try that with GGG got annihilated. That includes Monroe and Proksa, both slickish southpaws by the way. What happens when and if he trades with quality power puncher is still a question. We will see it when some of those step in the ring. I dont see any defenssive southpaw like Lara having much chance against GGG.

fergusg wrote: However, it’s been quite a long time since we’ve witnessed him adopt that strategy, so we don’t know for certain if he still possesses an effective form of that fighting style in his proverbial locker.

Thats the thing, everyone gets so over matched in firepower that they cant push GGG effectively. I hoped Rubio would bring some threat but he got squashed like a bug. I am still hoping for Lemieux or Canelo step up and cause some grief.

who cares about flaws. he is exciting.

The flaws GGG has have always been there.

It's just that most of his opponents, who are by and large C and B level caliber, are unwilling or unable to exploit those flaws.

Like most great offensive fighters (and let's not mince words, Gennady passed that eye test a while ago) he does not do as well when backed up. If you can establish a jab and walk forward, he tends to be less active.

The other thing about GGG- also common to powerpunchers- is that it is actually much safer INSIDE toe to toe than outside.

Gennady's best punches, most powerful shots are when he can fully extend, get all the leverage he is throwing the shot with on the punch.

If he can't fully extend, the punches are still hard, but they are also tolerable for most good chinned opponents.

That is why someone like Ward or Froch, who are known to stay in a guy's chest, is likely kryptonite to GGG.

ikorolev wrote:We don't know if Andre will be able to keep his sharpness and smothering ability after GGG lands a few body shots.

Speaking about Lara, he did make Canelo look ridiculous, just neglected to land a few extra punches to get a win. I don't think that he would be able to do the same with GGG who is more skilled than Canelo in general and in particular in cutting off the ring.

Here just to make you happy: GGG vs Ward will look like this>>>Ward comes in Golovkin throws two shots to the body and Andre can't keep him off of him, Ward's defense instantly becomes wide open and his stamina drops and his size means nothing GGG hits him with a left hook and straight right and the fight is over.

There, you happy??

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:We don't know if Andre will be able to keep his sharpness and smothering ability after GGG lands a few body shots.

Speaking about Lara, he did make Canelo look ridiculous, just neglected to land a few extra punches to get a win. I don't think that he would be able to do the same with GGG who is more skilled than Canelo in general and in particular in cutting off the ring.

Here just to make you happy: GGG vs Ward will look like this>>>Ward comes in Golovkin throws two shots to the body and Andre can't keep him off of him, Ward's defense instantly becomes wide open and his stamina drops and his size means nothing GGG hits him with a left hook and straight right and the fight is over.

There, you happy??

It will not be that easy, but accumulation of Gennady's punches will inevitably slow Andre down and will make his defense significantly less effective.

koolkc107 wrote:The flaws GGG has have always been there.

It's just that most of his opponents, who are by and large C and B level caliber, are unwilling or unable to exploit those flaws.

Like most great offensive fighters (and let's not mince words, Gennady passed that eye test a while ago) he does not do as well when backed up. If you can establish a jab and walk forward, he tends to be less active.

The other thing about GGG- also common to powerpunchers- is that it is actually much safer INSIDE toe to toe than outside.

Gennady's best punches, most powerful shots are when he can fully extend, get all the leverage he is throwing the shot with on the punch.

If he can't fully extend, the punches are still hard, but they are also tolerable for most good chinned opponents.

That is why someone like Ward or Froch, who are known to stay in a guy's chest, is likely kryptonite to GGG.

Is that why Froch and Hearn are hiding ?

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:The flaws GGG has have always been there.

It's just that most of his opponents, who are by and large C and B level caliber, are unwilling or unable to exploit those flaws.

Like most great offensive fighters (and let's not mince words, Gennady passed that eye test a while ago) he does not do as well when backed up. If you can establish a jab and walk forward, he tends to be less active.

The other thing about GGG- also common to powerpunchers- is that it is actually much safer INSIDE toe to toe than outside.

Gennady's best punches, most powerful shots are when he can fully extend, get all the leverage he is throwing the shot with on the punch.

If he can't fully extend, the punches are still hard, but they are also tolerable for most good chinned opponents.

That is why someone like Ward or Froch, who are known to stay in a guy's chest, is likely kryptonite to GGG.

Is that why Froch and Hearn are hiding ?

Is that fantasy you responded with your way of dealing with the truth of what I said?

Froch is not hiding, he just thinks there are bigger fights out there for him financially.

And he is right.

But he does want GGG before he is done.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/boxing/43366 ... e-retiring

koolkc107 wrote:
Froch is not hiding, he just thinks there are bigger fights out there for him financially.

And he is right.

He is not right, there is no bigger financial fight for him atm, certainly not since the bum was stopped. Plus he and Eddie are adamant Froch is not interested in money. He claims money is not his motivation and then he says he wont fight Golovkin because he is not ppv in USA. He is disgracing himself, retire already.