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Povetkin.

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The way I see it, Povetkin has been consistently the second best heavyweight for quite some time.

The defeat to Wlad has done little to shake me from that belief.

davie wrote:The way I see it, Povetkin has been consistently the second best heavyweight for quite some time.

The defeat to Wlad has done little to shake me from that belief.

I agree. I don't think much of the Wilder - Stiverne - Areola formline. It all looks second divsion to me.

Wilder was impressive enough against Stiverne but how would Stiverne get on with Povetkin? I think you'd have to make Povetkin a fairly short priced favourite.

Stiverne has been significantly overrated and I think he'd lose to several other HWs, including Povetkin. He's beaten quite poor opposition apart from 40 year old Ray Austin and Arreola, drew and lost against that type of opposition prior to fighting Wilder, and made Austin look like Larry Holmes for nearly 10 rounds before scoring a come from behind win over someone already blown out in 2 by Wlad and handily defeated by Solis. Arreola has always been no better than second-tier and wins over him aren't particularly impressive.

Now I think Deontay showed against Stiverne that he can do more than punch, but for me there are still questions about him and he's yet to show that he's the future of the division as some have suggested.

Been very impressed with Povetkin since his defeat to Klitschko. He seemed to lack a bit of self belief up until that loss. Povetkin is a far superior boxer to Wilder but size would certainly be a factor. Wilder used his advantages well against an underwhelming Stiverne but Povetkin would be a far stiffer test. Genuinely couldn't call it. Would love to see it though!

Very interesting matchup. I'd tend to favor Povetkin to win, but I'll be rooting for Wilder. I hope the fight actually occurs.

Stuarty30 wrote:Been very impressed with Povetkin since his defeat to Klitschko. He seemed to lack a bit of self belief up until that loss. Povetkin is a far superior boxer to Wilder but size would certainly be a factor. Wilder used his advantages well against an underwhelming Stiverne but Povetkin would be a far stiffer test. Genuinely couldn't call it. Would love to see it though!

Far superior? Maybe a little better. From the 2 or 3 fights I have seen of Povetkin, he looks pretty ordinary to me, and tends to gas out in the later rounds. Even with Wlad, the master hugger, Povetkin was initiating quite a few hugs himself. Unless he gets close, he is pretty ineffective. With an 8 or 9 inch disadvantage in reach, and 5 or 6 inches in height, it will be a hard fight for him. Wilder is a busier fighter than Wlad too, which will be a factor. Right now to me it is a 50/50 fight, but would be surprised if Wilder loses....especially if Povetkin's chin isn't as good as Stiverne's.

Although Wilder is a perpetual Hitman Shuffle candidate, I doubt that Povetkin has Stiverne's level beard.

Somebody gets Ktfo. I would lean towards Povetkin being the victim at this point.

Is Wilder a genuine top fighter, or will he crumble against an elite level opponent?

I have no idea to be honest. He showed he could go 12 against Stiverne, but he wasn't exactly dragged through the fires of hell there.

My gut is telling me Povetkin exposes (and that's a word I hate using here) him. I'd be perfectly happy being wrong though.

Tanzio wrote:Although Wilder is a perpetual Hitman Shuffle candidate, I doubt that Povetkin has Stiverne's level beard.

Somebody gets Ktfo. I would lean towards Povetkin being the victim at this point.

Regarding "Somebody gets ktfo," that's what I and everyone else predicted against Stiverne. When Wilder-Stiverne went the distance I haven't been as surprised to hear the final dong since Mike Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith.

But sure, I do think Wilder-Povetkin someone gets KTFO. Povetkin has a good chin, so Wilder has his work cut out for him though. An interesting result would be another Wilder win by decision. That would shut a lot of people up who like to see Wilder as a talentless one punch wonder.

Tony1244 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Although Wilder is a perpetual Hitman Shuffle candidate, I doubt that Povetkin has Stiverne's level beard.

Somebody gets Ktfo. I would lean towards Povetkin being the victim at this point.

Regarding "Somebody gets ktfo," that's what I and everyone else predicted against Stiverne. When Wilder-Stiverne went the distance I haven't been as surprised to hear the final dong since Mike Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith.

But sure, I do think Wilder-Povetkin someone gets KTFO. Povetkin has a good chin, so Wilder has his work cut out for him though. An interesting result would be another Wilder win by decision. That would shut a lot of people up who like to see Wilder as a talentless one punch wonder.

People can and do downplay his W over Stiverne but it was impressive and he did take some serious incoming fire. He went 12 with someone with the power to put him down with one punch at any moment.

I think Povetkin is a better boxer than Stiverne but I do not think that he could take half the punishment Wilder dished out that night.

I doubt Wilder would fight the Russian prior to WKlit. Risk/Reward ratio just not there.

Tanzio wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Although Wilder is a perpetual Hitman Shuffle candidate, I doubt that Povetkin has Stiverne's level beard.

Somebody gets Ktfo. I would lean towards Povetkin being the victim at this point.

Regarding "Somebody gets ktfo," that's what I and everyone else predicted against Stiverne. When Wilder-Stiverne went the distance I haven't been as surprised to hear the final dong since Mike Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith.

But sure, I do think Wilder-Povetkin someone gets KTFO. Povetkin has a good chin, so Wilder has his work cut out for him though. An interesting result would be another Wilder win by decision. That would shut a lot of people up who like to see Wilder as a talentless one punch wonder.

People can and do downplay his W over Stiverne but it was impressive and he did take some serious incoming fire. He went 12 with someone with the power to put him down with one punch at any moment.

I think Povetkin is a better boxer than Stiverne but I do not think that he could take half the punishment Wilder dished out that night.

I doubt Wilder would fight the Russian prior to WKlit. Risk/Reward ratio just not there.

I thought Wilder's win over Stiverne was very impressive because it showed he could actually box and go the distance. Povetkin's chin though is pretty good though, isn't it? Has anyone besides Wlad knocked him down? Povetkin's resume looks pretty impressive other than his close fight with cruiser Huck. I also wonder whether Wilder-Povetkin will happen for the reason you mentioned.

Wilder will ko him in 3 or less.

I actually tried to watch Grabby clinchko vs povetkin last night . Had to shut it off --made me sick. That fight shows why i have no respect for Clinchko .

493dart wrote:Wilder will ko him in 3 or less.

I actually tried to watch Grabby clinchko vs povetkin last night . Had to shut it off --made me sick. That fight shows why i have no respect for Clinchko .

Nope.

Tanzio wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Although Wilder is a perpetual Hitman Shuffle candidate, I doubt that Povetkin has Stiverne's level beard.

Somebody gets Ktfo. I would lean towards Povetkin being the victim at this point.

Regarding "Somebody gets ktfo," that's what I and everyone else predicted against Stiverne. When Wilder-Stiverne went the distance I haven't been as surprised to hear the final dong since Mike Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith.

But sure, I do think Wilder-Povetkin someone gets KTFO. Povetkin has a good chin, so Wilder has his work cut out for him though. An interesting result would be another Wilder win by decision. That would shut a lot of people up who like to see Wilder as a talentless one punch wonder.

People can and do downplay his W over Stiverne but it was impressive and he did take some serious incoming fire. He went 12 with someone with the power to put him down with one punch at any moment.

I think Povetkin is a better boxer than Stiverne but I do not think that he could take half the punishment Wilder dished out that night.

I doubt Wilder would fight the Russian prior to WKlit. Risk/Reward ratio just not there.

What has Stiverne shown to suggest that he's significantly more durable than Povetkin and could take at least twice the amount of punishment? Stiverne's the one who was hurt and stopped by a journeyman and he was shaken by Arreola in their rematch.

The win against Stiverne is a good one, but how some are coming to the conclusion he's better than Povetkin, I haven't the foggiest. That seems wishful.

When Stiverne was stopped, it was done prematurely.... BS really. Watch it and see what you think.
Him still standing after some hellacious shots by Wilder showed a lot. We will have to wait and see how Povetkin's chin holds up. Povetkin fell down when Wlad pulled on his head he was getting so tired, so his endurance may be a factor as well.

Badhusker wrote:When Stiverne was stopped, it was done prematurely.... BS really. Watch it and see what you think.
Him still standing after some hellacious shots by Wilder showed a lot. We will have to wait and see how Povetkin's chin holds up. Povetkin fell down when Wlad pulled on his head he was getting so tired, so his endurance may be a factor as well.

He was still clearly hurt against by a journeyman, whereas Povetkin has only been comparably troubled against top opponents and showed impressive grit against the division's #1. Povetkin looks in notably better shape these days and came on strong in the last rounds of his fight with Takam, a fighter who has a pretty good engine, so I'm not sure if stamina is an issue at this point.

I think Wilder is a top heavyweight, but I still have more questions about him than I have about Povetkin. I mentioned something similar before, but prior to the Wilder fight Stiverne had already lost to a journeyman, been held to a draw by another journeyman, and been in a close fight with yet another journeyman. All his oppponents were mediocre except 40 year old Austin and Arreola, and he made the former look like Larry Holmes for about ten rounds prior to scoring a come from behind win, which he also had to do in Arreola rematch. Deontay legitimized himself as a top heavyweight with the dominant win over Stiverne, showing solid boxing skills and discipline, but I can only read into that win to a limited extent given the limitations of his opponent and I think several other HWs would beat clearly Stiverne including Fury, Povetkin, Jennings, and of course Wlad.

Someone mentioned that others were downplaying the win over Stiverne, but I think it's more like not being carried away with it. He beat a good but notably limited opponent and given the overall lack of quality opposition on his resume I'm not yet confident about just how good he is. I can see how people would favor him over Povetkin, as he has the range to score from the outside, seems to have a solid jab, and can punch hard enough to hurt anyone, but Povetkin is nowhere near as slow on his feet as Stiverne is, puts his punches together much better, has a higher workrate, punches just as hard, and seems comparably durable. It's a very good match-up and I hope it goes through.

If Deontay could get a win of any nature against Povetkin I'd happily admit I've been wrong about him.

but I just can't see it, I think Povetkin is a level above Wilder and the only thing that makes it close is Wilders size, but i reckon Alexander would find a way past that (I know he didn't against Wlad but he's another story)

I'd give Wilder, as in any bout he's in, a puncher chance as he does have that big right hand.
But it's a clear Povetkin win for me.

Badhusker wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Been very impressed with Povetkin since his defeat to Klitschko. He seemed to lack a bit of self belief up until that loss. Povetkin is a far superior boxer to Wilder but size would certainly be a factor. Wilder used his advantages well against an underwhelming Stiverne but Povetkin would be a far stiffer test. Genuinely couldn't call it. Would love to see it though!

Far superior? Maybe a little better. From the 2 or 3 fights I have seen of Povetkin, he looks pretty ordinary to me, and tends to gas out in the later rounds. Even with Wlad, the master hugger, Povetkin was initiating quite a few hugs himself. Unless he gets close, he is pretty ineffective. With an 8 or 9 inch disadvantage in reach, and 5 or 6 inches in height, it will be a hard fight for him. Wilder is a busier fighter than Wlad too, which will be a factor. Right now to me it is a 50/50 fight, but would be surprised if Wilder loses....especially if Povetkin's chin isn't as good as Stiverne's.

I think Povetkin has better skills than Wilder and going off his recent form I would make him a slight favourite. Wilder was impressive against Stiverne though and used his attributes well! It's a fight I'd love to see!

Badhusker wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Been very impressed with Povetkin since his defeat to Klitschko. He seemed to lack a bit of self belief up until that loss. Povetkin is a far superior boxer to Wilder but size would certainly be a factor. Wilder used his advantages well against an underwhelming Stiverne but Povetkin would be a far stiffer test. Genuinely couldn't call it. Would love to see it though!

Far superior? Maybe a little better. From the 2 or 3 fights I have seen of Povetkin, he looks pretty ordinary to me, and tends to gas out in the later rounds. Even with Wlad, the master hugger, Povetkin was initiating quite a few hugs himself. Unless he gets close, he is pretty ineffective. With an 8 or 9 inch disadvantage in reach, and 5 or 6 inches in height, it will be a hard fight for him. Wilder is a busier fighter than Wlad too, which will be a factor. Right now to me it is a 50/50 fight, but would be surprised if Wilder loses....especially if Povetkin's chin isn't as good as Stiverne's.

The 3 fights you've seen of Povetkin obviously haven't been his last 3? He has been very impressive of late. Him and Wilder would be a cracker. Or him and Fury.

I would say Povetkin is easily the most accomplished boxer of the two - that is a given. He has struggled in a couple bouts though, the one vs Huck for example. If he comes in top shape, and it happens sooner than later, he has a great chance to beat Wilder. He will be 36 I believe this fall, so not getting any younger either. I just think Wilder is a bad match-up for him. He isn't as skilled, but his Breland has been getting him to use his jab more and more, and he is throwing it with authority. He also has a nice hook to go along with his big right.

I think we can all agree it would be great to watch. Wilder needs it for his resume far more than Povetkin. I am guessing Povetkin will have to come to fight in the US for the first time if they do meet? I hope Wilder isn't look past his next opponent because that can backfire.