The Tri Champions, by Canzo
Posted: 23 Jun 2004, 22:17
Hello every body. here is the first time I write to all you.
I have a lot of questions to you guys.
I want to know your thoughts about it.
Thanks a lot.
1-Do you know the entire list of boxers hat have had won championships
in three (plus) different divisions, no total of tittles, but divisions?
2-There should be 2 lists: the general including the WBA, the IBF and the WBO, and the WBC. Other including the others fringe organisms such the NBA, IBC, IBA, WBF, WBB, WBU, etc, etc. or maybe, a single list involving all the mayor and minor organisms.
3-The list must be in chronological order, so we can identify who was first (Fitzsimmons), eleventh, #15, #24, etc, etc.
4-Why the people says that Leonard & Hearns were the first ever fighters to win a fifth title in 5 different divisions if:
A-Hearns won the # 5 as the 168 WBO. (I count the WBO as a legitimate entity, but most of the people doesn’t recognize it, not matter that the IBF is also a new organism founded only 5 years before the WBO, so I don’t understand the dynamic of some people) before Leonard.
B-Leonard won the # 5 in confusing situation: he weight 161-163 lbs and fought in the same night (fight) for 2 different tittles (168 & 175) at the same time (Lalonde). It’s not illegal? Of course, it is.
C-De la Hoya won 5 also, but he has the 130 WBO. The same as Hearns 168 WBO. Also, he won the 160 WBO for a ‘record’ # 6 in six different divisions, but, please, looks at Hearns and James Toney tittles won.
So, there should be an asterisk in these three boxers. Thad’s mean that none of them have won the record # 5 in different divisions? Yet?
If the WBO does not count (I count it) that’s mean that neither the other fringe organisms? Therefore, if the ‘fringe’ WBO counts I believe should be fair that the other fringe ones also may count, no?
If these fringes entities are ‘world’ entities, so why the federal and state laws and bodies permit them to exist? So, if the governments recognizes them as world, why all of us not? Yes, I know, our fathers and grandfathers told us that only the WBC, WBA and the IBF are the ones?
But the IBF is as new as the WBO. See the dates of foundations. Why the IBF is a ‘true’ entity? Because they speak fluently English and they are in USA territory? Here the people will attack me, but I have part of reason.
Another question: If there are 3 or 4 mayor organisms, why are sometimes 5 or 6 champions at the same category (the mayor ones) if they are supposed to be only 4 or 3 (or 2, or I depending the unifications)?
Why the government permits the super champions (or regular champions) at the same category (the WBA)? Also, the WBC has adopted this thing in some opportunities (Tszyu & Gatti).
Of course, I know why, the collection of more money at tittles fights.
Look the WBA, they have Hopkins as the champ, he is the undisputed champ at 160, but… not matter Hopkins is the titlist the WBA always have a regular ‘world’ champ. See Joppy, he was defeated by Hopkins and Hopkins regained the sole champion status again, but later the WBA vacated the regular world title and now the fringe Macelino Masoe is the new champ at 160. the money. There are other examples of this disgraced practice, and all the organisms, the self-named mayor entities are the responsible for those hapless acts.
The boxing must be regulated by a sole federal entity, as happen at the professional baseball in USA, so no entity can do illegal acts. But, why I say that, they don’t pay me anything and I just talk for the sport.
And something I must tell you, I have NOT work for the WBO or another organism, neither the mayor’s or minor’s ones.
And returning to the Hearns, et als stuff:
1--Hearns- won the 190 WBU Cruiserweight title 1995-03-31, plus the 190 IBO Cruiserweight title 1999-04, already. He should be considered the first one to earn 5 tittles at 5 different categories. Well, the people that know boxing count the 168 & 175 WBC that won Leonard the same night, wow.
2-Durán won 4, counting the mayor ones, yes. But if the WBO does not count (count for me) what happens with the fringe NBA boxing organism? If the history may recognize all, or some, of these weak entities, thus Durán is a champ in 5 tittles at 5 different categories. Yes, I know that this NBA is so weak, yes. But we never know…
3-Camacho, Sr.- the same as Durán and Hearns. He won not only the 130, 165 and 140, but the 168 NBA Super Middleweight title 2001-07-14, the 154 IBC Junior Middleweight title 1998-08-11, the 160 IBC Middleweight title 1997-03-01 and the 147 IBC Welterweight title 1995-01-14. yes, the NBA, the IBC are not true organisms, but…
4- James Toney- Toney won his third at different weigh (the 190 IBF)
last year to be the new tri champ. But before win his first mayor title (160 IBF) he was already champion at 154 IBC Junior world Middleweight title 1991-01. so, when he ‘disappeared’ from the boxing (10 years) to win his third (Jirov), he already have won 210 IBA SUPER cruiserweight title 2001-03-29, and the 190 IBO cruiserweight title 1997-06-14, the 190 WBU Cruiserweight title 1997-02-22, and the 175 WBU Light Heavyweight title 1996-08-09.
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Just I am keeping the records. I will respect the people say that he won 3 in different categories, yes, but there are some statistics to answer in the next 30 years.
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The fighters that have won 4 or more tittles are:
1-Thomas Hearns (5): the first with 4 and 5. (*)
2-Ray Leonard (5): the second with 4 and 5 (*)
3- Roberto Durán (4): the third with 4
4-Pernell Whitaker (4): the fourth
5- Leo Gamez (4): the fith
6- Roy Jones, Jr. (4): the sixth
6- Oscar De la Hoya (6): the third with 5 and the first with 6. (*) (*)
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Tri champions have won 3 or more tittles in different divisions, but that they skip one division without winning it:
1-Durán: 140
2- Mosley: 140
3- McCallum: 168
4- Danny Romero: 118
5- Johnny Tapia: 122
6- Michael Moore (175 & 210+) 190. (He is not 3X champ)
7- Roy Jones (4) 190
8- Etc, etc.
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A question for Oscar de la Hoya:
Why, if he defeat Hopkins, does not try the 168 what ever tittle?
Forget Mosley 3 and Trinidad 2; they will be closed fights and he can ‘lose’ again because the judges.
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MY LIST OF TITLIST IN 3, 4, 5 AND 6 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS:
1- BOB FITZSIMMONS (USA)
1- 200+ WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1897-03-17 W J. CORBETT
2- 175 WORLD LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1903-11-25 W GEORGE GARDNER
3- 160 WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1891-01-14 W J. DEMPSEY
2- HENRY ARMSTRONG (USA)
1- 147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1938-05-31 BARNEY ROSS
2- 135 WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1938-08-17 LOU AMBERS
3- 126 WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE (UNIFIED TITLES NBA + NEW YORK) 1937-10-29 PETEY SARRON
126 CALIFORNIA-MEXICO WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1936-08-04 ALBERTO (BABY) ARIZMENDI
3- BARNEY ROSS (USA)
1-147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1934-05-28 JIMMY MCLARNIN
2-135 WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1933-06-23 TONY CANZONERI
3-140 WORLD JR. WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1933-06-23 TONY
CANZONERI
4- TONY CANZONERY (USA)
1- 140 WORLD JR. WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1931-04-24 JACKIE BERG
2- 135 WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1929-08-02 SAMMY MANDELL
3- 126 WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1928-02-10 BENNY BASS
126 NYSAC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1927-10-24 JOHNNY DUNDEE
5- EMILLE GRIFFING (VI)
1-160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1966-04-25 DICK TIGER
160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1966-04-25 DICK TIGER
160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1967-09-29 NINO BENVENUTI
160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1967-09-29 NINO BENVENUTI
2-147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1961-04-01 BENNY PARET
147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1962-03-24 BENNY PARET
147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1964-06-12 LUIS RODRIGUEZ
147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1964-06-12 LUIS RODRIGUEZ
147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1969-10-18 144½ JOSE NAPOLES
147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1969-10-18 144½ JOSE NAPOLES
6- WILFRED BENITEZ (PR)
1-154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1981-05-23 MAURIC HOPE
2- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1979-01-14 CARLOS PALOMINO
3- 140 WBA LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1976-03-06 ACERVANTES
7- ALEXIS ARGUELLO (NIC)
1-135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1981-06-20 RAY MANCINI
2-126 WBA FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1974-11-23 RUBEN OLIVARES
3-130 WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1978-01-28 A ESCALERA
8- ROBERTO DURÁN (PAN)
1- 168 NBA SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2000-06-16 PAT LAWLOR
2- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1989-02-24 IRAN BARKLEY
3- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1983-06-16 DAVEMOORE
4- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1980-06-20 W RAY LEONARD
5- 135 WBA LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1972-06-26 KEN BUCHANAN
135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1978-01-21 ESTEBAN DEJESUS
9- THOMAS HEARNS (USA)
1- 147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1980-08-02 146 PIPINO CUEVAS
2- 154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1982-12-03 W BENITEZ
3- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1987-10-29 W JUAN ROLDÁN
4- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1987-03-07 D. ANDRIES
175 WBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1991-06-03 174 VIRG HILL
5- 168 WBO SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1988-11-04 JA KINCHEN
6- 190 WBU CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1995-03-31 LENNY LAPAGLIA
190 IBO CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1999-04-10 NATE MILLER
10- SUGAR RAY LEONARD (USA)
1- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1979-11-30 WIL BENITEZ
2- 147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1981-09-16 T. HEARNS
3- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1981-06-25 A KALULE
4- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 04-06 MARVIN HAGLER
5- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1988-11-07 DO LALONDE
6- 168 WBC SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1988-11-07 DOLALONDE
11- JEFF FENECH (AUS)
1- 126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1988-03-07 W VÍ CALLEJAS
2- 122 WBC SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1987-05-08 W S AMART PAYAKAROON
3- 118 IBF BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1985-04-26 W SATOSHI SHINGAKI
12- WILFRED GÓMEZ (PR)
1- 130 WBA SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1985-05-19 W ROCKY LOCKRIDGE
2- 126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1984-03-31 J. LA
PORTE
3- 122 WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1977-05-21 W DONG
KYUN YUM
13- WILFRED VÁZQUEZ (PR)
1- 126 WBA FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1996-05-18 ELOY ROJAS
2- 122 IBC SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1990-09-10 JOE OREWA
122 WBA SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1992-03-27 RAUL
PEREZ
3- 118 WBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1987-10-04 CHAN-YONG PARK
14- JULIO CESAR CHÁVEZ (MEX)
1- 140 WBC LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1989-05-13 W ROGER
MAYWEATHER
140 IBF LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1990-03-17 W MELDRICK
TAYLOR
2- 135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1988-10-29 W J. L RAMIREZ
135 WBA LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1987-11-21 W E. ROSARIO
3- 130 WBC JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHR TITLE 1984-09-13 W MARIO
MARTÍNEZ
15- HÉCTOR CAMACHO (PR)
1- 168 NBA SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2001-07-14 W R. DURÁN
2- 2- 154 IBC JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1998-08-11 W T MENEFEE
3- 160 IBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1997-03-01 W ROBERTO DURÁN
4- 147 IBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1995-01-14 W TODD FOSTER
5- 140 WBO LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1989-03-06 W RAY
MANCINI
6- 135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1985-08-10 W J. L RAMIREZ
7- 130 WBC JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1983-08-07 W R LIMÓN
16- IRAN BARKLEY (USA)
1- 210+WBB HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-06-08 229 W G. COETZEE
2- 175 WBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1992-03-20 174 T HEARNS
3- 168 IBF SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1992-01-10 168 D V HORN
4- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1988-06-06 160 W T HEARNS
17- MIKE MCCALLUM (USA)
1- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1994-07-23 W J. HARDING
2- 160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1989-05-10 W H. GRAHAM
3- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1984-10-19 W SEAN. MANNION
18- DANNY ROMERO (USA)
1- 122 IBA SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2003-05-23 W TRINIDAD
MENDOZA
2- 115 IBF SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-08-24 W H. GREY
3- 112 IBF FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1995-04-22 WON F.TEJEDOR
19- VINNY PAZIENZA (USA)
1- 168 IBO SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1993-12-28 DAN SHERRY
168 IBC SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1994-06-25 R. DURAN
168 WBU SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1996-08-23 W DANA ROSENBLATT
2- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1991-10-01 GILBE DELÉ
3- 135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1987-06-07 GREG HAUGEN
20- ROY JONES, JR.
1- 210+ HVY WBA HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2003-03-01 W J. RUIZ
2- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2003-11-08 W A TARVER
175 IBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2003-11-08 W A TARVER
175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-08-07 W M. GRIFFIN
175 WBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1998-07-18 W LDE VALLE
175 IBF LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-06-05 W R. JOHNSON
175 IBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2000-09-09 W E. HARDING
175 WBF LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-07-28 J C GONZÁLEZ
175 IBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-07-28 J C GONZÁLEZ
175 NBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-02-24 W D. HARMON
175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-11-22 W M. MCCALLUM
3- 168 IBF SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1994-11-18 W J. TONEY
4- 160 IBF MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1993-05-22 W B. HOPKINS
21- PERNEL WHITAKER (USA)
1- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1995-03-04 W J.
VÁZQUEZ
2- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1993-03-06 W BUDDY MCGIRT
3- 140 IBF LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1992-07-18 W R. PINEDA
4- 135 WBA LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1990-08-11 W JUAN NAZARIO
135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1989-08-20 W JOSÉ L RAMIREZ
135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1989-04-30 W LOUIE LOMELI
22- OSCAR DE LA HOYA (USA)
1- 160 WBO MIDDLEWEIGHT TITTLE 2004 –JUNE 05 FELIX STURM
2- 154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2001-06-23 W J.
CASTILLEJO
154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2002-09-14 W F. VARGAS
154 IBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2002-09-14 W F.VARGAS
3- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-02-26 W D. COLEY
147 IBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-02-26 W D. COLEY
147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1997-04-12 W PERNELL WHITAKER
4- 140 WBC LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1996-06-07 W J C.
CHAVEZ
5- 135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1995-05-06 W RAFAEL RUELAS
135 WBO LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1995-02-18 WON JOHN-JOHN MOLINA
6- 130 WBO SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1994-03-05 JIMMY
BREDAHL
23- FELIX TRINIDAD (PR)
1-160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2001-05-13 W WILLIAM JOPPY
2-154 IBF LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2000-12-02 W F. VARGAS
154WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2000-03-03 W D. REID
3-147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1999-09-18 W O. DELA HOYA
147 IBF WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1993-06-19 W M. BLOCKER
24- MAURICIO PASTRANA (COL)
1- 118 IBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2003-05-17 W MIKE TREJO
118 IBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2000-02-16 W J. LACIERVA
2- 115 IBA SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-02-10 WON JOSÉ LÓPEZ
115IBO SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-04-03 W E. TORRES
3- 112 WBA FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1998-10-03 WON JOSÉ BONILLA
4- 108 IBF LIGHT FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-01-18 W M. CARBAJAL
25- LEO GAMEZ (VEN)
1- 115 WBA SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 2000-10-09 HIDEKI TODAKA
2- 112 WBA FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-03-13 HUGO RAFAEL SOTO
3- 108 WBA LIGHT FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1990-04-29 1993-10-21 SHIRO YAHIRO
4- 105 WBA MINIMUMWEIGHT TITLE 1988-01-10 BONG-JUN KIM
26- JOHNNY TAPIA (USA)
1- 126 IBF FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2002-04-27 W MANUEL MEDINA
2- 118 WBO BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2000-01-08 W J.ORGE JULIO
118 WBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1998-12-05 W NANA KONADU
3- 115 IBF SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-07-18 W D. ROMERO
115 WBO SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1994-10-12 W H. MARTÍNEZ
27- JAMES TONEY (USA)
1- 210 IBA SUPER CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 2001-03-29 W S. MONTANA
2- 190 IBF CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 2003-04-26 W VASSILY JIROV
190 IBO CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1997-06-14 W STEVE LITTLE
190 WBU CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1997-02-22 W MIKE
MCCALLUM
3- 175 WBU LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-08-09 W F. DELGADO
4- 168 IBF SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1993-02-13 W IRAN.
BARKLEY
5- 160 IBF MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1991-05-10 W MICHAEL NUM
6- 154 IBC JUNIOR WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1991-01-13 W
MERQUI SOSA
28- MARK 'TOO SHARP' JOHNSON (USA)
1- 115 WBO JUNIOR BANTAMWEIGHT 2003-08-16 W F. MONTIEL
115 IBF SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-04-24 RATANACHAI SOR
VORAPIN
2- 112 IBF FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-05-04 W F. TEJEDOR
3- 112 WBB FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1993-05-18 W ALBERTO JIMENEZ
29- SUGAR SHANE MOSLEY (USA)
1-154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2003-09-13 W O. DE
LA HOYA
154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2003-09-13 W O.
DE LA HOYA
2-147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-06-17 W O. DE LA
HOYA
147 IBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-06-17 W OSCAR DE LA
HOYA
3-135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1997-08-02 W PHILIP HOLIDAY
30- MANNY PACQUIAO (PHYL)
1-126 THE RING FEATHERWEIGHT TITTLE W M. A. BARRERA
2- 122 IBF SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2001-06-23 W
LEHLOHONOLO LEDWABA
3-112 WBC FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-09-17 W MEDGOEN SINGSURAT
31- ERIK MORALES (MEX)
1-130 WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2004-FEB-28 WJESUS
CHAVEZ
2-126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE
126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2001-02-17 W GUTY ESPADAS
3-122 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-09-02 W KEVIN KELLEY
122 WBC SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1997-09-06 DANIEL
ZARAGOZA
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Canzo
I have a lot of questions to you guys.
I want to know your thoughts about it.
Thanks a lot.
1-Do you know the entire list of boxers hat have had won championships
in three (plus) different divisions, no total of tittles, but divisions?
2-There should be 2 lists: the general including the WBA, the IBF and the WBO, and the WBC. Other including the others fringe organisms such the NBA, IBC, IBA, WBF, WBB, WBU, etc, etc. or maybe, a single list involving all the mayor and minor organisms.
3-The list must be in chronological order, so we can identify who was first (Fitzsimmons), eleventh, #15, #24, etc, etc.
4-Why the people says that Leonard & Hearns were the first ever fighters to win a fifth title in 5 different divisions if:
A-Hearns won the # 5 as the 168 WBO. (I count the WBO as a legitimate entity, but most of the people doesn’t recognize it, not matter that the IBF is also a new organism founded only 5 years before the WBO, so I don’t understand the dynamic of some people) before Leonard.
B-Leonard won the # 5 in confusing situation: he weight 161-163 lbs and fought in the same night (fight) for 2 different tittles (168 & 175) at the same time (Lalonde). It’s not illegal? Of course, it is.
C-De la Hoya won 5 also, but he has the 130 WBO. The same as Hearns 168 WBO. Also, he won the 160 WBO for a ‘record’ # 6 in six different divisions, but, please, looks at Hearns and James Toney tittles won.
So, there should be an asterisk in these three boxers. Thad’s mean that none of them have won the record # 5 in different divisions? Yet?
If the WBO does not count (I count it) that’s mean that neither the other fringe organisms? Therefore, if the ‘fringe’ WBO counts I believe should be fair that the other fringe ones also may count, no?
If these fringes entities are ‘world’ entities, so why the federal and state laws and bodies permit them to exist? So, if the governments recognizes them as world, why all of us not? Yes, I know, our fathers and grandfathers told us that only the WBC, WBA and the IBF are the ones?
But the IBF is as new as the WBO. See the dates of foundations. Why the IBF is a ‘true’ entity? Because they speak fluently English and they are in USA territory? Here the people will attack me, but I have part of reason.
Another question: If there are 3 or 4 mayor organisms, why are sometimes 5 or 6 champions at the same category (the mayor ones) if they are supposed to be only 4 or 3 (or 2, or I depending the unifications)?
Why the government permits the super champions (or regular champions) at the same category (the WBA)? Also, the WBC has adopted this thing in some opportunities (Tszyu & Gatti).
Of course, I know why, the collection of more money at tittles fights.
Look the WBA, they have Hopkins as the champ, he is the undisputed champ at 160, but… not matter Hopkins is the titlist the WBA always have a regular ‘world’ champ. See Joppy, he was defeated by Hopkins and Hopkins regained the sole champion status again, but later the WBA vacated the regular world title and now the fringe Macelino Masoe is the new champ at 160. the money. There are other examples of this disgraced practice, and all the organisms, the self-named mayor entities are the responsible for those hapless acts.
The boxing must be regulated by a sole federal entity, as happen at the professional baseball in USA, so no entity can do illegal acts. But, why I say that, they don’t pay me anything and I just talk for the sport.
And something I must tell you, I have NOT work for the WBO or another organism, neither the mayor’s or minor’s ones.
And returning to the Hearns, et als stuff:
1--Hearns- won the 190 WBU Cruiserweight title 1995-03-31, plus the 190 IBO Cruiserweight title 1999-04, already. He should be considered the first one to earn 5 tittles at 5 different categories. Well, the people that know boxing count the 168 & 175 WBC that won Leonard the same night, wow.
2-Durán won 4, counting the mayor ones, yes. But if the WBO does not count (count for me) what happens with the fringe NBA boxing organism? If the history may recognize all, or some, of these weak entities, thus Durán is a champ in 5 tittles at 5 different categories. Yes, I know that this NBA is so weak, yes. But we never know…
3-Camacho, Sr.- the same as Durán and Hearns. He won not only the 130, 165 and 140, but the 168 NBA Super Middleweight title 2001-07-14, the 154 IBC Junior Middleweight title 1998-08-11, the 160 IBC Middleweight title 1997-03-01 and the 147 IBC Welterweight title 1995-01-14. yes, the NBA, the IBC are not true organisms, but…
4- James Toney- Toney won his third at different weigh (the 190 IBF)
last year to be the new tri champ. But before win his first mayor title (160 IBF) he was already champion at 154 IBC Junior world Middleweight title 1991-01. so, when he ‘disappeared’ from the boxing (10 years) to win his third (Jirov), he already have won 210 IBA SUPER cruiserweight title 2001-03-29, and the 190 IBO cruiserweight title 1997-06-14, the 190 WBU Cruiserweight title 1997-02-22, and the 175 WBU Light Heavyweight title 1996-08-09.
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Just I am keeping the records. I will respect the people say that he won 3 in different categories, yes, but there are some statistics to answer in the next 30 years.
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The fighters that have won 4 or more tittles are:
1-Thomas Hearns (5): the first with 4 and 5. (*)
2-Ray Leonard (5): the second with 4 and 5 (*)
3- Roberto Durán (4): the third with 4
4-Pernell Whitaker (4): the fourth
5- Leo Gamez (4): the fith
6- Roy Jones, Jr. (4): the sixth
6- Oscar De la Hoya (6): the third with 5 and the first with 6. (*) (*)
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Tri champions have won 3 or more tittles in different divisions, but that they skip one division without winning it:
1-Durán: 140
2- Mosley: 140
3- McCallum: 168
4- Danny Romero: 118
5- Johnny Tapia: 122
6- Michael Moore (175 & 210+) 190. (He is not 3X champ)
7- Roy Jones (4) 190
8- Etc, etc.
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A question for Oscar de la Hoya:
Why, if he defeat Hopkins, does not try the 168 what ever tittle?
Forget Mosley 3 and Trinidad 2; they will be closed fights and he can ‘lose’ again because the judges.
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MY LIST OF TITLIST IN 3, 4, 5 AND 6 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS:
1- BOB FITZSIMMONS (USA)
1- 200+ WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1897-03-17 W J. CORBETT
2- 175 WORLD LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1903-11-25 W GEORGE GARDNER
3- 160 WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1891-01-14 W J. DEMPSEY
2- HENRY ARMSTRONG (USA)
1- 147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1938-05-31 BARNEY ROSS
2- 135 WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1938-08-17 LOU AMBERS
3- 126 WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE (UNIFIED TITLES NBA + NEW YORK) 1937-10-29 PETEY SARRON
126 CALIFORNIA-MEXICO WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1936-08-04 ALBERTO (BABY) ARIZMENDI
3- BARNEY ROSS (USA)
1-147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1934-05-28 JIMMY MCLARNIN
2-135 WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1933-06-23 TONY CANZONERI
3-140 WORLD JR. WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1933-06-23 TONY
CANZONERI
4- TONY CANZONERY (USA)
1- 140 WORLD JR. WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1931-04-24 JACKIE BERG
2- 135 WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1929-08-02 SAMMY MANDELL
3- 126 WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1928-02-10 BENNY BASS
126 NYSAC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1927-10-24 JOHNNY DUNDEE
5- EMILLE GRIFFING (VI)
1-160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1966-04-25 DICK TIGER
160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1966-04-25 DICK TIGER
160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1967-09-29 NINO BENVENUTI
160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1967-09-29 NINO BENVENUTI
2-147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1961-04-01 BENNY PARET
147 WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1962-03-24 BENNY PARET
147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1964-06-12 LUIS RODRIGUEZ
147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1964-06-12 LUIS RODRIGUEZ
147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1969-10-18 144½ JOSE NAPOLES
147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1969-10-18 144½ JOSE NAPOLES
6- WILFRED BENITEZ (PR)
1-154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1981-05-23 MAURIC HOPE
2- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1979-01-14 CARLOS PALOMINO
3- 140 WBA LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1976-03-06 ACERVANTES
7- ALEXIS ARGUELLO (NIC)
1-135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1981-06-20 RAY MANCINI
2-126 WBA FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1974-11-23 RUBEN OLIVARES
3-130 WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1978-01-28 A ESCALERA
8- ROBERTO DURÁN (PAN)
1- 168 NBA SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2000-06-16 PAT LAWLOR
2- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1989-02-24 IRAN BARKLEY
3- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1983-06-16 DAVEMOORE
4- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1980-06-20 W RAY LEONARD
5- 135 WBA LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1972-06-26 KEN BUCHANAN
135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1978-01-21 ESTEBAN DEJESUS
9- THOMAS HEARNS (USA)
1- 147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1980-08-02 146 PIPINO CUEVAS
2- 154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1982-12-03 W BENITEZ
3- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1987-10-29 W JUAN ROLDÁN
4- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1987-03-07 D. ANDRIES
175 WBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1991-06-03 174 VIRG HILL
5- 168 WBO SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1988-11-04 JA KINCHEN
6- 190 WBU CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1995-03-31 LENNY LAPAGLIA
190 IBO CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1999-04-10 NATE MILLER
10- SUGAR RAY LEONARD (USA)
1- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1979-11-30 WIL BENITEZ
2- 147 WBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1981-09-16 T. HEARNS
3- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1981-06-25 A KALULE
4- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 04-06 MARVIN HAGLER
5- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1988-11-07 DO LALONDE
6- 168 WBC SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1988-11-07 DOLALONDE
11- JEFF FENECH (AUS)
1- 126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1988-03-07 W VÍ CALLEJAS
2- 122 WBC SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1987-05-08 W S AMART PAYAKAROON
3- 118 IBF BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1985-04-26 W SATOSHI SHINGAKI
12- WILFRED GÓMEZ (PR)
1- 130 WBA SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1985-05-19 W ROCKY LOCKRIDGE
2- 126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1984-03-31 J. LA
PORTE
3- 122 WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1977-05-21 W DONG
KYUN YUM
13- WILFRED VÁZQUEZ (PR)
1- 126 WBA FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1996-05-18 ELOY ROJAS
2- 122 IBC SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1990-09-10 JOE OREWA
122 WBA SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1992-03-27 RAUL
PEREZ
3- 118 WBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1987-10-04 CHAN-YONG PARK
14- JULIO CESAR CHÁVEZ (MEX)
1- 140 WBC LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1989-05-13 W ROGER
MAYWEATHER
140 IBF LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1990-03-17 W MELDRICK
TAYLOR
2- 135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1988-10-29 W J. L RAMIREZ
135 WBA LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1987-11-21 W E. ROSARIO
3- 130 WBC JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHR TITLE 1984-09-13 W MARIO
MARTÍNEZ
15- HÉCTOR CAMACHO (PR)
1- 168 NBA SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2001-07-14 W R. DURÁN
2- 2- 154 IBC JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1998-08-11 W T MENEFEE
3- 160 IBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1997-03-01 W ROBERTO DURÁN
4- 147 IBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1995-01-14 W TODD FOSTER
5- 140 WBO LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1989-03-06 W RAY
MANCINI
6- 135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1985-08-10 W J. L RAMIREZ
7- 130 WBC JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1983-08-07 W R LIMÓN
16- IRAN BARKLEY (USA)
1- 210+WBB HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-06-08 229 W G. COETZEE
2- 175 WBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1992-03-20 174 T HEARNS
3- 168 IBF SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1992-01-10 168 D V HORN
4- 160 WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1988-06-06 160 W T HEARNS
17- MIKE MCCALLUM (USA)
1- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1994-07-23 W J. HARDING
2- 160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1989-05-10 W H. GRAHAM
3- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1984-10-19 W SEAN. MANNION
18- DANNY ROMERO (USA)
1- 122 IBA SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2003-05-23 W TRINIDAD
MENDOZA
2- 115 IBF SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-08-24 W H. GREY
3- 112 IBF FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1995-04-22 WON F.TEJEDOR
19- VINNY PAZIENZA (USA)
1- 168 IBO SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1993-12-28 DAN SHERRY
168 IBC SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1994-06-25 R. DURAN
168 WBU SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1996-08-23 W DANA ROSENBLATT
2- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1991-10-01 GILBE DELÉ
3- 135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1987-06-07 GREG HAUGEN
20- ROY JONES, JR.
1- 210+ HVY WBA HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2003-03-01 W J. RUIZ
2- 175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2003-11-08 W A TARVER
175 IBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2003-11-08 W A TARVER
175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-08-07 W M. GRIFFIN
175 WBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1998-07-18 W LDE VALLE
175 IBF LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-06-05 W R. JOHNSON
175 IBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2000-09-09 W E. HARDING
175 WBF LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-07-28 J C GONZÁLEZ
175 IBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-07-28 J C GONZÁLEZ
175 NBA LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-02-24 W D. HARMON
175 WBC LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-11-22 W M. MCCALLUM
3- 168 IBF SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1994-11-18 W J. TONEY
4- 160 IBF MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1993-05-22 W B. HOPKINS
21- PERNEL WHITAKER (USA)
1- 154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1995-03-04 W J.
VÁZQUEZ
2- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1993-03-06 W BUDDY MCGIRT
3- 140 IBF LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1992-07-18 W R. PINEDA
4- 135 WBA LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1990-08-11 W JUAN NAZARIO
135 WBC LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1989-08-20 W JOSÉ L RAMIREZ
135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1989-04-30 W LOUIE LOMELI
22- OSCAR DE LA HOYA (USA)
1- 160 WBO MIDDLEWEIGHT TITTLE 2004 –JUNE 05 FELIX STURM
2- 154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2001-06-23 W J.
CASTILLEJO
154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2002-09-14 W F. VARGAS
154 IBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2002-09-14 W F.VARGAS
3- 147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-02-26 W D. COLEY
147 IBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-02-26 W D. COLEY
147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1997-04-12 W PERNELL WHITAKER
4- 140 WBC LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1996-06-07 W J C.
CHAVEZ
5- 135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1995-05-06 W RAFAEL RUELAS
135 WBO LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1995-02-18 WON JOHN-JOHN MOLINA
6- 130 WBO SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 1994-03-05 JIMMY
BREDAHL
23- FELIX TRINIDAD (PR)
1-160 WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2001-05-13 W WILLIAM JOPPY
2-154 IBF LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2000-12-02 W F. VARGAS
154WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2000-03-03 W D. REID
3-147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1999-09-18 W O. DELA HOYA
147 IBF WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 1993-06-19 W M. BLOCKER
24- MAURICIO PASTRANA (COL)
1- 118 IBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2003-05-17 W MIKE TREJO
118 IBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2000-02-16 W J. LACIERVA
2- 115 IBA SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 2001-02-10 WON JOSÉ LÓPEZ
115IBO SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-04-03 W E. TORRES
3- 112 WBA FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1998-10-03 WON JOSÉ BONILLA
4- 108 IBF LIGHT FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-01-18 W M. CARBAJAL
25- LEO GAMEZ (VEN)
1- 115 WBA SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 2000-10-09 HIDEKI TODAKA
2- 112 WBA FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-03-13 HUGO RAFAEL SOTO
3- 108 WBA LIGHT FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1990-04-29 1993-10-21 SHIRO YAHIRO
4- 105 WBA MINIMUMWEIGHT TITLE 1988-01-10 BONG-JUN KIM
26- JOHNNY TAPIA (USA)
1- 126 IBF FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2002-04-27 W MANUEL MEDINA
2- 118 WBO BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2000-01-08 W J.ORGE JULIO
118 WBA BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1998-12-05 W NANA KONADU
3- 115 IBF SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1997-07-18 W D. ROMERO
115 WBO SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1994-10-12 W H. MARTÍNEZ
27- JAMES TONEY (USA)
1- 210 IBA SUPER CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 2001-03-29 W S. MONTANA
2- 190 IBF CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 2003-04-26 W VASSILY JIROV
190 IBO CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1997-06-14 W STEVE LITTLE
190 WBU CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE 1997-02-22 W MIKE
MCCALLUM
3- 175 WBU LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-08-09 W F. DELGADO
4- 168 IBF SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1993-02-13 W IRAN.
BARKLEY
5- 160 IBF MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1991-05-10 W MICHAEL NUM
6- 154 IBC JUNIOR WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 1991-01-13 W
MERQUI SOSA
28- MARK 'TOO SHARP' JOHNSON (USA)
1- 115 WBO JUNIOR BANTAMWEIGHT 2003-08-16 W F. MONTIEL
115 IBF SUPER FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-04-24 RATANACHAI SOR
VORAPIN
2- 112 IBF FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1996-05-04 W F. TEJEDOR
3- 112 WBB FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1993-05-18 W ALBERTO JIMENEZ
29- SUGAR SHANE MOSLEY (USA)
1-154 WBC LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2003-09-13 W O. DE
LA HOYA
154 WBA LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE 2003-09-13 W O.
DE LA HOYA
2-147 WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-06-17 W O. DE LA
HOYA
147 IBA WELTERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-06-17 W OSCAR DE LA
HOYA
3-135 IBF LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE 1997-08-02 W PHILIP HOLIDAY
30- MANNY PACQUIAO (PHYL)
1-126 THE RING FEATHERWEIGHT TITTLE W M. A. BARRERA
2- 122 IBF SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 2001-06-23 W
LEHLOHONOLO LEDWABA
3-112 WBC FLYWEIGHT TITLE 1999-09-17 W MEDGOEN SINGSURAT
31- ERIK MORALES (MEX)
1-130 WBC SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2004-FEB-28 WJESUS
CHAVEZ
2-126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE
126 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2001-02-17 W GUTY ESPADAS
3-122 WBC FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE 2000-09-02 W KEVIN KELLEY
122 WBC SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE 1997-09-06 DANIEL
ZARAGOZA
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