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Has that ever happened?

Boxrec number 1 ranked Boxers:

HW: klitschko
CW: Drozd
LHW: kovalev
SMW: Froch
MW: Golovkin

the eastern europeans do not have as much depth as other nations but at the top they are currently dominating the higher weight classes.

does anyone know why it is mostly the higher weight classes? there are not many russians in lower classes (except for loma and provodnikov). will the eastern europeans continue to dominate or will their boxing get worse over time as soon as the old soviet Trainers retire or die?

verballistic wrote:

dominik wrote:Has that ever happened?

Boxrec number 1 ranked Boxers:

HW: klitschko
CW: Drozd
LHW: kovalev
SMW: Froch
MW: Golovkin

the eastern europeans do not have as much depth as other nations but at the top they are currently dominating the higher weight classes.

does anyone know why it is mostly the higher weight classes? there are not many russians in lower classes (except for loma and provodnikov). will the eastern europeans continue to dominate or will their boxing get worse over time as soon as the old soviet Trainers retire or die?

You're right about the lack of depth and that makes it likely that this is just a cyclical thing that will revolve in & out of different regions & nations. In the early 2000s it was Lewis, Calzaghe, etc. In the 1990s it was Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson, Moorer, Roy Jones, Toney, Hopkins, etc. I dont think there will ever be any time when Asians or Latinos will dominate the upper weight classes, because those folks tend to be smaller than those of European or African ancestry.

I also dont think it has anything to do with Soviet/ex-Soviet trainers. The guy that took Wlad to a new level was Manny Steward and in Golovkin's case it has been Abel Sanchez.

that is true but ex soviet Trainers exposed them to boxing and made them successfull amateurs. the eastern european success Comes from their success in Amateur boxing and the soviets had great Amateur Boxers because olympic sports were government funded for Propaganda reasons.

will they Keep up their Amateur success once those old Trainers retire?

Funding programs get results. I'm not sure how much money Russia and other eastern European countries are putting into their amateur programs, but when/if/already? it dries up, then the number of top-class boxers from these parts will diminish.

Froch isn't the best at SMW its Andre Ward.

And Glovkin isnt the real champ at MW Cotto is but it may be Canelo real soon.

Golovkin is no young man he only has 2-3 yrs left at most.

Ill give you the other guys but no one will ever care about CW.

Oh and wilder is coming for old man klitcko mark my words.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Froch isn't the best at SMW its Andre Ward.

And Glovkin isnt the real champ at MW Cotto is but it may be Canelo real soon.

Golovkin is no young man he only has 2-3 yrs left at most.

Ill give you the other guys but no one will ever care about CW.

Oh and wilder is coming for old man klitcko mark my words.

GGG is not the number 1 at MW? He would destroy both canelo and cotto. I'm not saying the russians will dominate forever but right now they do and they also have some more guys in the Pipeline (beterbiev, usyk).

they will never have the sheer volume of mexican or american fighters but still there is a steady stream of good amateurs coming up into the pros.

dominik wrote:Has that ever happened?

Boxrec number 1 ranked Boxers:

HW: klitschko
CW: Drozd
LHW: kovalev
SMW: Froch
MW: Golovkin

the eastern europeans do not have as much depth as other nations but at the top they are currently dominating the higher weight classes.

does anyone know why it is mostly the higher weight classes? there are not many russians in lower classes (except for loma and provodnikov). will the eastern europeans continue to dominate or will their boxing get worse over time as soon as the old soviet Trainers retire or die?

East Europe or Nations east of the old Berlin wall pretty much own the top gun in the upper weight classes, and many of the best young prospects in boxing such as Usyk ( CW ), Beterbiev ( LHW ) Chudinov ( SMW ) and Krytov ( MW ). I think Usyk and Beterbiev will be world champions and #1 guys in a few years.

Why the higher weight classes? Genetics. Few men from Eastern Europe are less than 140 pounds. Loma is the rare exception.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Froch isn't the best at SMW its Andre Ward.

You need to fight to be the best.

kidbazooka1 wrote:And Glovkin isnt the real champ at MW Cotto is but it may be Canelo real soon.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Ill give you the other guys but no one will ever care about CW.

I like cruiserweight.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Oh and wilder is coming for old man klitcko mark my words.

Right after he takes another super dangerous fight against tough as a two dollar steak Eric Molina, right?

This might be as simple as human biology. The average height of human beings steadily increases the farther north you travel. While the average height of the average American male is 5' 9.5", there is a much bigger discrepancy around the world. If you pull up a template, you will notice that for the most part, it follows a south to north pattern with those indigenous to Northern Europe being the tallest. Avg height of Phillipino male is 5' 4" tall. Avg male height in Norway and Netherlands is 6' - 6' .05" tall. The average Russian male is 5' 10.5" tall. And seeing that Russia has not been the melting pot that Western Europe and America have been, small Russians are rare compared to their taller counterparts. You can see this evidenced if you search DNA haplogroups.

thomasjkelley wrote:This might be as simple as human biology. The average height of human beings steadily increases the farther north you travel. While the average height of the average American male is 5' 9.5", there is a much bigger discrepancy around the world. If you pull up a template, you will notice that for the most part, it follows a south to north pattern with those indigenous to Northern Europe being the tallest. Avg height of Phillipino male is 5' 4" tall. Avg male height in Norway and Netherlands is 6' - 6' .05" tall. The average Russian male is 5' 10.5" tall. And seeing that Russia has not been the melting pot that Western Europe and America have been, small Russians are rare compared to their taller counterparts. You can see this evidenced if you search DNA haplogroups.

Russia is more of a melting pot than Western Europe. Most of Russians are a mixture of Slavic, Finnish, Turk, Mongoloid/Siberian ancestors. Tsiu, Provodnikov, Gradovich are just a few smaller Russians of different ethnic background coming to mind.

Also, your 5' 10.5" number seems to be inaccurate. I two different sources, I am reading 175-176 cm which is about 5' 9".

dominik wrote:Has that ever happened?

Boxrec number 1 ranked Boxers:

HW: klitschko
CW: Drozd
LHW: kovalev
SMW: Froch
MW: Golovkin

the eastern europeans do not have as much depth as other nations but at the top they are currently dominating the higher weight classes.

does anyone know why it is mostly the higher weight classes? there are not many russians in lower classes (except for loma and provodnikov). will the eastern europeans continue to dominate or will their boxing get worse over time as soon as the old soviet Trainers retire or die?

First of Froch is from England. But your question is valid, this wave of Eastern European/Central Asian fighters has been going on for a long time now.
As far as I can see it two things drive it, Olympic training programs, probably some connected to military boxing programs, and poverty/poor economic outlook.
I don't know if their training programs are going to decline so thats and interesting point, I doubt it. I do think a major war in the region might disrupt things as could a lifting of economic hardship.
The way I see it is these guys will keep pouring into boxing for a long while now. Did you see the clip of Magomedov vs Darnell Boone from the other night wow, that guy Magomedov can fight.

ikorolev wrote:

thomasjkelley wrote:This might be as simple as human biology. The average height of human beings steadily increases the farther north you travel. While the average height of the average American male is 5' 9.5", there is a much bigger discrepancy around the world. If you pull up a template, you will notice that for the most part, it follows a south to north pattern with those indigenous to Northern Europe being the tallest. Avg height of Phillipino male is 5' 4" tall. Avg male height in Norway and Netherlands is 6' - 6' .05" tall. The average Russian male is 5' 10.5" tall. And seeing that Russia has not been the melting pot that Western Europe and America have been, small Russians are rare compared to their taller counterparts. You can see this evidenced if you search DNA haplogroups.

Russia is more of a melting pot than Western Europe. Most of Russians are a mixture of Slavic, Finnish, Turk, Mongoloid/Siberian ancestors. Tsiu, Provodnikov, Gradovich are just a few smaller Russians of different ethnic background coming to mind.

Also, your 5' 10.5" number seems to be inaccurate. I two different sources, I am reading 175-176 cm which is about 5' 9".

Russia doesn't have massive immigration from all over the world like America and parts of Western Europe. The people in Russia are for the most part indigenous to that land. And for the disparity in height differential, it could be possible because Russia is a huge land mass sprawled over thousands of miles, it is extremely difficult to form a consensus. I wouldn't contest your figures, you certainly may be correct about that.

verballistic wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:Froch isn't the best at SMW its Andre Ward.

You need to fight to be the best.

Froch split a pair of bouts with Kessler & Ward beat both Froch and Kessler. How is that not fighting and beating the best?

Does Ward need to beat George Groves too?

If Andre Ward is to still be considered the best SMW he needs to be active at 168

andre ward has not fought in two years. if he fights and wins again he is my number 1 of course but for now I consider him "inactive".

But that does not Change my Point because neither ward nor froch are from eastern europe, the SMW is currently the only heavier Division that is not reigned by an eastern european.

verballistic wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:Froch isn't the best at SMW its Andre Ward.

You need to fight to be the best.

Froch split a pair of bouts with Kessler & Ward beat both Froch and Kessler. How is that not fighting and beating the best?

Does Ward need to beat George Groves too?

Read more closely before you reply

Ward hasn't fought in two years, and his next fight isn't at 168. Read it again: "You need to FIGHT to be the best".

Froch has polish roots, so he IS eastern european.