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Brook has looked so much more impressive than Khan lately, but Khan is the one being considered for the shot at Mayweather. Is anyone going to buy a Mayweather/Khan fight after Algieri gave Khan such a tough fight? Is Mayweather/Brook being considered at all?

I hope so. I think Brook is a more credible opponent than Khan based on the fact he's unbeaten and is the current IBF champion.

What has Khan done to deserve a shot at Mayweather? He's clearly trying to bide his time and cherry pick his fights against limited opposition who possess as much power as my 8 year old son. Khan is clearly avoiding Kell Brook as well as he's been offered a fight at Wembley in front of 80000 people, on Sky Box Office with a $5m dollar purse guaranteed. Who in their right mind turns that down? He clearly does not fancy it against a fully fledged Welter like Brook who would destroy any chance of his dream fight against FM going ahead.

I seriously hope Mayweather v Brook happens if only just to laugh at Khan for avoiding Brook and thinking he "deserves" to fight FM based on beating a few opponents who couldn't knock a w@nk out.

JayMc wrote:I hope so. I think Brook is a more credible opponent than Khan based on the fact he's unbeaten and is the current IBF champion.

What has Khan done to deserve a shot at Mayweather? He's clearly trying to bide his time and cherry pick his fights against limited opposition who possess as much power as my 8 year old son. Khan is clearly avoiding Kell Brook as well as he's been offered a fight at Wembley in front of 80000 people, on Sky Box Office with a $5m dollar purse guaranteed. Who in their right mind turns that down? He clearly does not fancy it against a fully fledged Welter like Brook who would destroy any chance of his dream fight against FM going ahead.

I seriously hope Mayweather v Brook happens if only just to laugh at Khan for avoiding Brook and thinking he "deserves" to fight FM based on beating a few opponents who couldn't knock a w@nk out.

DIdn't Floyd just make around $200 mil? $5 mil to Floyd is pocket change. That is no reason to fight Brook.

However, I do agree that Brook is the much more deserving fighter. And a fight I would like to see. But that's not what Floyd is looking for. He is the looking for the most revenue for the least risk. He is a businessman first and foremost.

Impractical Poster wrote:

JayMc wrote:I hope so. I think Brook is a more credible opponent than Khan based on the fact he's unbeaten and is the current IBF champion.

What has Khan done to deserve a shot at Mayweather? He's clearly trying to bide his time and cherry pick his fights against limited opposition who possess as much power as my 8 year old son. Khan is clearly avoiding Kell Brook as well as he's been offered a fight at Wembley in front of 80000 people, on Sky Box Office with a $5m dollar purse guaranteed. Who in their right mind turns that down? He clearly does not fancy it against a fully fledged Welter like Brook who would destroy any chance of his dream fight against FM going ahead.

I seriously hope Mayweather v Brook happens if only just to laugh at Khan for avoiding Brook and thinking he "deserves" to fight FM based on beating a few opponents who couldn't knock a w@nk out.

DIdn't Floyd just make around $200 mil? $5 mil to Floyd is pocket change. That is no reason to fight Brook.

However, I do agree that Brook is the much more deserving fighter. And a fight I would like to see. But that's not what Floyd is looking for. He is the looking for the most revenue for the least risk. He is a businessman first and foremost.

I was referring to Khan being offer $5m to fight Brook at Wembley and turning it down. In terms of finance a Mayweather fight against Khan would no doubt generate more money than any of the other top players in the division at welter. People assume because Khan has fast hands he stands a chance of beating Floyd and plenty of casuals would buy into that. Personally from a purely boxing perspective I'd prefer to watch FM V Brook. Did you see how much running Khan done against Algieri. Between him and Floyd it would be more like River Dance than a boxing match.

fergusg wrote:Even though Kell Brook has been a professional boxer for almost 11 years, possessing a perfect 35-0 record, having been ranked amongst Ring Magazines' annual top ten welterweight ratings since 2011... the only decent win on this resume was his razor thin decision victory over Shawn Porter.

Brook was the long-time mandatory challenger for Manny Pacquiao’s WBO belt; he turned down opportunities to fight Timothy Bradley (for his WBO title) and Cornelius Bundrage (for his IBF light-middleweight title); and also withdrew from a world title shot against Devon Alexander.

Apart from Brook’s victory over Shawn Porter, he has never defeated an opponent that could possibly be ranked amongst the top-15 fighters at welterweight. Kell’s victories over anonymous second-tier fighters, such as Senchenko, Hatton, Jones, Dan & Gavin are simply not befitting of a man that deserves to be given the opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr.

From a purely financial perspective, there are a handful of opponents that Floyd could face that would make better business sense.

I understand the financial aspect of things, but when you criticize Brook's level of opposition, I don't see how that doesn't apply even more so to Khan. Unless we're counting wins from 5 years ago at 140, and ignoring his losses, I don't see how Khan's resume compares favorably to Brook's. Brook's win over Porter is better anything Khan has done in his entire career.

JayMc wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

JayMc wrote:I hope so. I think Brook is a more credible opponent than Khan based on the fact he's unbeaten and is the current IBF champion.

What has Khan done to deserve a shot at Mayweather? He's clearly trying to bide his time and cherry pick his fights against limited opposition who possess as much power as my 8 year old son. Khan is clearly avoiding Kell Brook as well as he's been offered a fight at Wembley in front of 80000 people, on Sky Box Office with a $5m dollar purse guaranteed. Who in their right mind turns that down? He clearly does not fancy it against a fully fledged Welter like Brook who would destroy any chance of his dream fight against FM going ahead.

I seriously hope Mayweather v Brook happens if only just to laugh at Khan for avoiding Brook and thinking he "deserves" to fight FM based on beating a few opponents who couldn't knock a w@nk out.

DIdn't Floyd just make around $200 mil? $5 mil to Floyd is pocket change. That is no reason to fight Brook.

However, I do agree that Brook is the much more deserving fighter. And a fight I would like to see. But that's not what Floyd is looking for. He is the looking for the most revenue for the least risk. He is a businessman first and foremost.

I was referring to Khan being offer $5m to fight Brook at Wembley and turning it down. In terms of finance a Mayweather fight against Khan would no doubt generate more money than any of the other top players in the division at welter. People assume because Khan has fast hands he stands a chance of beating Floyd and plenty of casuals would buy into that. Personally from a purely boxing perspective I'd prefer to watch FM V Brook. Did you see how much running Khan done against Algieri. Between him and Floyd it would be more like River Dance than a boxing match.

Gotcha

Wasn't aware of the offer to Khan...

Regarding Mayweather/Khan... Two mover/counter punchers can many times make for an interesting fight. It's much more interesting than a bull/matador type of fight. But like you, I'd rather see Brook/mayweather. Good luck with that though.

jujigatame wrote:

fergusg wrote:Even though Kell Brook has been a professional boxer for almost 11 years, possessing a perfect 35-0 record, having been ranked amongst Ring Magazines' annual top ten welterweight ratings since 2011... the only decent win on this resume was his razor thin decision victory over Shawn Porter.

Brook was the long-time mandatory challenger for Manny Pacquiao’s WBO belt; he turned down opportunities to fight Timothy Bradley (for his WBO title) and Cornelius Bundrage (for his IBF light-middleweight title); and also withdrew from a world title shot against Devon Alexander.

Apart from Brook’s victory over Shawn Porter, he has never defeated an opponent that could possibly be ranked amongst the top-15 fighters at welterweight. Kell’s victories over anonymous second-tier fighters, such as Senchenko, Hatton, Jones, Dan & Gavin are simply not befitting of a man that deserves to be given the opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr.

From a purely financial perspective, there are a handful of opponents that Floyd could face that would make better business sense.

I understand the financial aspect of things, but when you criticize Brook's level of opposition, I don't see how that doesn't apply even more so to Khan. Unless we're counting wins from 5 years ago at 140, and ignoring his losses, I don't see how Khan's resume compares favorably to Brook's. Brook's win over Porter is better anything Khan has done in his entire career.

That would be a brilliant thing to happen I would love to see Khans reaction Khan been waiting ages for it then Brook just slides in there haha.

expe wrote:

jujigatame wrote:
I understand the financial aspect of things, but when you criticize Brook's level of opposition, I don't see how that doesn't apply even more so to Khan. Unless we're counting wins from 5 years ago at 140, and ignoring his losses, I don't see how Khan's resume compares favorably to Brook's. Brook's win over Porter is better anything Khan has done in his entire career.

No really, it is.

jujigatame wrote:

expe wrote:

jujigatame wrote:
I understand the financial aspect of things, but when you criticize Brook's level of opposition, I don't see how that doesn't apply even more so to Khan. Unless we're counting wins from 5 years ago at 140, and ignoring his losses, I don't see how Khan's resume compares favorably to Brook's. Brook's win over Porter is better anything Khan has done in his entire career.

No really, it is.

So it's better than beating Maidana then? Better than unifying against Judah? If you're trying to suggest that Brook's resume anywhere near matches Khan's then you don't know what you're talking about.

expe wrote: So it's better than beating Maidana then? Better than unifying against Judah? If you're trying to suggest that Brook's resume anywhere near matches Khan's then you don't know what you're talking about.

For the most part, yes.

He beat a less experienced version of Maidana by a couple of points after getting horribly battered in the late rounds. And that's probably his best win unless you prefer by the shutout of Alexander.

How much does beating a mid-30s Zab Judah 4 years ago really say about Khan today?

Never mind that you're completely ignoring the fact that Khan was KO'd twice because his defense and chin are suspect. Plus the fact that he dropped rounds and got buzzed by both Algieri and Julio Diaz.

Let me put it this way. If you made a list of their top 5 career wins combined, I can agree that Khan would have 4 of the 5. But I think Brook would have #1 on the list. Combine that with the fact that he's never been beaten, and that he's looked completely dominant against the B-level opposition he's faced while Khan has frequently looked vulnerable, and that most of Khan's quality wins came years ago, and I say Brook has the better resume for a megafight right now.

But that's just me.

It won't happen because if it was then they would've already scheduled it so that Mayweather could become the Undisputed WW King, it's more likely that Manny will get a rematch because Khan can't fight during Ramadan, Bradley is busy, Cotto is busy and the only fight that makes sense is the Pacquiao fight/rematch in terms of dollars and cents.

If I was Kell Brook id do one of two things....
1: act like a complete idiot and chase after floyd (act like kahn)
2: approach Floyd and ask to train with him for his september fight who ever the opponent may be. Brook is still relatively unknown in the us. He could play into floyds ego and let floyd think he was assisting in the making of his successor whilst getting himself all the media coverage and publicity under the sun. Get himself on the undercard in september if possible

With the amount of h-job's Brook gets from people on this site, i'm starting to buy into this BS hype machine by association. Let's all pump the brakes for a little bit and give this kid a little room. Brits, ok...your boy got a big win a few fights ago. Big upset over Porter...good. I loved it. It was surprising and it was an upset...i love upsets. But let's not wake the bear here. I was ok with the Brook/Khan drama even though I feel Khan will beat him but calling out Floyd? Simmer down a bit and let's not get all excited. Remember Ricky Hatton, that's all i have to say. I think he's a bouncer right now at a bar in England. IF you want Brook to stick around then let the kid move up gradually to the best around and earn it. He's more liable to stay at the top if you don't push him there. Floyd will win every single moment of a 12 round fight with Brook, the kid will never be the same.

I actually love the Idea of the Brook vs. Rios fight IF we get the Rios that showed up his last fight. Then we'll see how good your boy is. If he can drop Rios or win decisively then that's a really good win because Rios is no joke if she show's up prepared and makes weight comfortably.

The main reason people in the UK would like Brook to even get a sniff at Mayweather is because they would like to see him steal the fight from under Khans nose since Khan believes he's in the elite whilst thinking that Kell is bottom of the pecking order.

I dont think there are many who believe that he would trouble Mayweather but Rios? For me personally Rios is tailor made for Brook and would make him look great. The only way I could see Rios having any success is if Brook is still having stamina issues, Rios would expose that for sure.

The fact that Kell is holding a title means that his name will be mentioned amongst the big names wether people think hes worthy of it or not. If he was as poor as some people make out then everyone would be calling him out like they did with the likes of Malinaggi when he held titles. Hes not unstoppable but hes also no walkover and a hard awkard nights work for anyone.

Floyd typically takes on guys at the top of their game, and frankly, Khan isn't there. He gave us the illusion he was before the Algieri fight due to the clever match-making. Him getting hurt 3 or 4 times by the light hitting Algieri exposed him right in front of casual fans. Look at any article or forum, people saying the same thing, and very few think he is above the level of Algieri, who Pacquiao spanked. Like Jug pointed out, what you accomplished 3, 4, 5 years ago doesn't mean squat when you are wanting the big money fight. You are only as good as your last fight.

To me it is between Brook, Thurman, Garcia, or Cotto for a 155 fight. Garcia and Cotto would be my first two guesses.

caldo2025 wrote:With the amount of h-job's Brook gets from people on this site, i'm starting to buy into this BS hype machine by association. Let's all pump the brakes for a little bit and give this kid a little room. Brits, ok...your boy got a big win a few fights ago. Big upset over Porter...good. I loved it. It was surprising and it was an upset...i love upsets. But let's not wake the bear here. I was ok with the Brook/Khan drama even though I feel Khan will beat him but calling out Floyd? Simmer down a bit and let's not get all excited. Remember Ricky Hatton, that's all i have to say. I think he's a bouncer right now at a bar in England. IF you want Brook to stick around then let the kid move up gradually to the best around and earn it. He's more liable to stay at the top if you don't push him there. Floyd will win every single moment of a 12 round fight with Brook, the kid will never be the same.

I actually love the Idea of the Brook vs. Rios fight IF we get the Rios that showed up his last fight. Then we'll see how good your boy is. If he can drop Rios or win decisively then that's a really good win because Rios is no joke if she show's up prepared and makes weight comfortably.

Brook has been moved pretty gradually. He's 29 years old and first won the British title like 7 years ago. The Porter fight is his signature win for sure, but he's also had damn near a dozen wins over B-level guys like Gavin, Dan, Senchenko, etc. I'm not British but I think the guy is a class fighter and is probably the #3 guy in the division behind Floyd and Pac.

fergusg wrote:Even though Kell Brook has been a professional boxer for almost 11 years, possessing a perfect 35-0 record, having been ranked amongst Ring Magazines' annual top ten welterweight ratings since 2011... the only decent win on this resume was his razor thin decision victory over Shawn Porter.

Brook was the long-time mandatory challenger for Manny Pacquiao’s WBO belt; he turned down opportunities to fight Timothy Bradley (for his WBO title) and Cornelius Bundrage (for his IBF light-middleweight title); and also withdrew from a world title shot against Devon Alexander.

Apart from Brook’s victory over Shawn Porter, he has never defeated an opponent that could possibly be ranked amongst the top-15 fighters at welterweight. Kell’s victories over anonymous second-tier fighters, such as Senchenko, Hatton, Jones, Dan & Gavin are simply not befitting of a man that deserves to be given the opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr.

From a purely financial perspective, there are a handful of opponents that Floyd could face that would make better business sense.

What's wrong with turning down an opportunity to fight for a world title in a higher weight division when you are being lined up for a title shot in your own weight class? Also, what was being offered for that fight? It might have been a dreadful deal that no one would touch. Much of the same could be said of the offer to fight Bradley. Unless you know the exact details of the offer and how much time Brook was given to prepare etc. there's nothing to criticise.

Brook asked for a postponement to his fight with Alexander because of an injury. Then Alexander got injured and the fight was rescheduled again. When Brook was injured for a second time, Alexander's team took another fight. These things happen.

I wouldn't call Ricky Hatton anonymous. Neither would I say he had been in the ring with Brook. Please tell us when that fight happened. I'm sure your own ringside report would be very entertaining.

Jo Jo Dan was the mandatory challenger for Brook's title. Carson Jones was a useful learning experience. Ditto Senchenko. Frankie Gavin was exploitation of the paying public, so that one deserves all the flak it gets.

Does Brook deserve to fight Mayweather? If you mean has he beaten enough top welterweights to earn a shot, then in one sense the answer is "no" because he hasn't beaten lots of elite fioghters. In another sense, the answer is "yes" because the one top wealterweight he beat earned him a world title. A title Mayweather doesn't have.

There are a few welterweights who may be as good or slightly better than Brook. Or maybe not. We won't find out unless they fight each other. Brook could beat Mayweather, Thurman, Pacquiao and everyone else. He's unbeaten and has all the tools. On the other hand, as there's not much between these guys, they might beat Brook. Personally, I think Brook would win.

As for more lucrative opportunities, try listing them. Mayweather and Golovkin will never share a ring. Forget that one. Thurman might still be injured and unable to make a September date. If he does, how many tickets does he sell? Broner and Mayweather are friends and Broner doesn't sell many tickets. I can't see that one happening. A rematch with Alvarez? Unlikely, but lucrative if it does come off. Khan? WHy Khan? He's not popular anywhere tickets to fights are sold. A rematch with Pacquiao? Surely not in September, and hopefully never. A Cotto rematch? If Cotto gets by Geale and keeps the middleweight title, that one makes a lot of sense. I believe Cotto will lse and lose badly to Geale. If I'm right, that scenario is down the tubes, too. Lucas Mathysse or Danny Garcia? Unlikely, even if they would be interesting. Not particularly lucrative, either.

caldo2025 wrote: IF you want Brook to stick around then let the kid move up gradually to the best around and earn it. He's more liable to stay at the top if you don't push him there. Floyd will win every single moment of a 12 round fight with Brook, the kid will never be the same.

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whilst the first part may well be true, I don't thiunk the second part is. floyd doesn't deal out career-changing beatdowns.

Counter-puncher wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: IF you want Brook to stick around then let the kid move up gradually to the best around and earn it. He's more liable to stay at the top if you don't push him there. Floyd will win every single moment of a 12 round fight with Brook, the kid will never be the same.

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whilst the first part may well be true, I don't thiunk the second part is. floyd doesn't deal out career-changing beatdowns.

He makes you enough money, in order for you to no longer care too much about your career...

95gerog wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: IF you want Brook to stick around then let the kid move up gradually to the best around and earn it. He's more liable to stay at the top if you don't push him there. Floyd will win every single moment of a 12 round fight with Brook, the kid will never be the same.

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whilst the first part may well be true, I don't thiunk the second part is. floyd doesn't deal out career-changing beatdowns.

He makes you enough money, in order for you to no longer care too much about your career...

I know you are joking but that's a pretty accurate statement.

fergusg wrote: Fact:
• Ten of Kell Brook’s first sixteen fights were competed at the 154lb weight class.
• In January 2013, Eddie Hearn claimed that “The Special One’s” move to the light middleweight division was imminent. Indeed, he even fought Carson Jones & Alvaro Robles in that weight class, shortly before he “slimmed down” to 147lbs to challenge Shawn Porter for his IBF weltwerweight title.

david1963 wrote:Also, what was being offered for that fight? It might have been a dreadful deal that no one would touch.

Fact:
• In February 2011, F.rank Warren (Brook's own promoter) claimed that he was considering arranging a fight between Kell Brook & Cornelius Bundrage. The IBF light middleweight champion, "K9", verified the story and told Frank that he was willing to come to the UK to make it happen. Instead, Brook elected to stay at welterweight and wait on Manny Pacquiao to vacate his WBO strap.

david1963 wrote:Much of the same could be said of the offer to fight Bradley. Unless you know the exact details of the offer and how much time Brook was given to prepare etc. there's nothing to criticise.

Fact:
• In August 2012, Top Rank contacted Eddie Hearn to arrange a fight between Timothy Bradley & Kell Brook for the WBO world welterweight title. “The Special One” declined the offer, because he preferred to face Hector Saldivia for the IBF welterweight title final eliminator. Apparently the decision was strategic rather than driven by financial demands.

david1963 wrote:I wouldn't call Ricky Hatton anonymous. Neither would I say he had been in the ring with Brook. Please tell us when that fight happened. I'm sure your own ringside report would be very entertaining.

Fact:
• Kell Brook faced Matthew Hatton in 2012. Ricky Hatton is Matthew's brother. Kell Brook has never fought Ricky Hatton and I never claimed that he had.

david1963 wrote:Jo Jo Dan was the mandatory challenger for Brook's title.

Fact:
• Kell Brook could have opted to engage in a unification bout or alternatively paid Jo Jo Dan to step aside to allow him to face one of the bigger named 147lb-ers... and still kept hold of his IBF welterweight title.

david1963 wrote:Carson Jones was a useful learning experience.

Fact:
• On the 18th September, 2010, Kell Brook defeated Michael Jennings for the WBO Inter-Continental welterweight title, which was when he became the WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao’s mandatory challenger. "The Special One" didn't face Carson Jones until almost two years later, after he had already established himself irrefutably as one of the top ten welterweights on the planet the year prior. Kell Brook turned professional in 2004 and was considered a seasoned veteran at the time.

david1963 wrote:Ditto Senchenko.

Fact:
• When Kell Brook fought Vyacheslav Senchenko towards the end of 2013, he’d already spent almost 9½ years as a pro and more than three years as a mandatory challenger for various versions of the welterweight title. What more could he have learned, when he was already considered a seasoned veteran?

I don’t really have anything else to add in terms of your comments, which I haven’t already addressed in multiple posts that I repeatedly keep on submitting, so rather than spam the forum, the rest of the answers you’re searching for can be found in my recent posting history.

I find it’s often better to argue with facts not assumptions or guesses.

For those first 16 fights, he was over 150 lb for five of them. As no titles were at stake for those fights, it made sense not to boil down to the welterweight limit. Brook has had two fights as a light middleweight since early 2008. That's two out of 19 fights. What Eddie Hearn said at the time is irrelevant. He talks a lot. It's part of his job as a ticket seller.

Warren may well have been "considering arranging" a title fight between Brook and Bundrage. Bundrage might have been interested, too. That doesn't mean any deal that might have been considered to be proposed would have been attractive to Brook. Or any other challenger for that matter. Unless you have personally seen a draft contract or memorandum of understanding as an absolute minimum you have no idea what the deal was and whether Brook was right or wrong to turn it down. I might also refer you to my earlier point about Brook being a welterweight, not a light middleweight, but I'm not entirely sure you could understand the difference between fighting above the championship limit for non-title fights and being in a higher division.

You shouldn't say "Fact" and then use the words "apparently" as evidence. Logic doesn't work that way. Again, unless you've seen the contract etc. you don't know what you're talking about. So, we don't know why a title shot against Bradley was declined.

No one in Britain thinks of Matthew Hatton when you say "Hatton". You're right about Matthew Hatton being anonymous - I'd forgotten he even existed.

Brook's promoter could have offered to pay Dan to step aside. Dan was under no obligation to accept any such offer. Unless you were privy to negotiations between Brook's People and Dan's ... look this is getting boring, you can't say stuff like this time after time unless you actually know for a real fact what took place.

Are you trying to say seasoned veterans can't learn anything more? If this is another of your so-called facts you might as well join Boko Haram and spread your message with them. In fact, if you truly believe no one can learn anything useful once they progress past a certain state, then I can only guess it's based on your own failings.

"What more could he have learned, when he was already considered a seasoned veteran? "

I hope I never read anything anywhere on any subject as stupid as that. I'm not trying to be nasty, it's just one hell of a thing to say. And because it's late where I am, I have to confess it's taken me rather a long time to realise I've been arguing with an idiot. There's no way I can compete at that level.

Right now, if anyone attempt to argue that Khan is a better opponent than Brook, you are making a fool out of yourself.

Khan was just taken the distance by a 140 lber with 22 fights in his lifetime. He was hurt 3 or 4 times by a light hitting opponent. Spin away, but the fact that Khan is afraid to fight Brook speaks volumes. To Khan it's about money or a big name, depending on what is most convenient.

He drops Thurmans name and others as possible but not Brook? He told Brook if he beat Porter he would fight him. Khan is more than delusional... He is a proven liar and imo seriously borderline retarded. He publicly said Cotto was a welterweight. Duh

I'd like to see floyd fight brooke in his final fight only because I would love to see Khans reaction.

regardless of who he fights it gonne end up boring, so who cares besides the obvious