how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 11:30
not 157 ?
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Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 13:41
According to his promoter, there is no fine in the contract.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 14:10
The 158 value was incorrect. At 7-day weigh-in, he barely made the WBC 168-pound limit.fergusg wrote:Daniel Geale only weighed 158lbs at the 30-day weigh-in. Therefore, it’s not an issue.
That being said, it really does surprise me that there is a contractual catch-weight stipulation, without a financial penalty, because it renders the 157lb limit as utterly pointless (unless Cotto refuses to proceed with the bout if the Aussie fails to make weight, which is really unlikely).
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 14:41
We all know that 158 value was published. Now when Geale was 167.5 at the 7-day weigh-in, that old weight is being questioned.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 17:35
Promoter Gary Shaw clarified to BS.com that Geale's 30-day weight, released by the WBC as 158, was inaccurate. He said 'no chance' he was 158-pounds 30 days ago.
I hope Geale ignores the catchweight. As long as he makes 160, Cotto's gonna have to go through with the fight.In the event he misses the catchweight mark, Geale would be subject to whatever fine is imposed by the New York State Athletic Commission, since the presiding commission is obliged to honor the weight stipulated in the bout contracts. Nothing in the language of the contract suggests additional penalties for either party in the event they miss weight.
“There is no fine in place,” confirmed Roc Nation COO David Itskowitch when asked of the consequences in such a situation.
However, Cotto himself could have final say if it comes to that. After all, it was upon the insistence of the defending champion and his trainer, Freddie Roach that Geale come in at less than the standard divisional limit.
“When Freddie made the deal for the (Manny) Pacquiao fight, and made me go down to 145 instead of 147. If I accept the deal, I have to make 145 instead of 147,” Cotto recalled of his Nov. ’09 clash with Pacquiao, agreeing to such terms despite coming in as the defending titlist. “If they want to fight with Miguel Cotto, they make the catchweight.
“If not, the fight doesn’t happen.”
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 18:27
That is bullsh1t. No way HBO will approve some crappy replacement. Cotto will have to fight 160-pound Geale if it comes to it. They had to be smarter and include penalty in the contract.fergusg wrote:"Roach: If Geale Can't Make Weight, We Have Backups!"ikorolev wrote:We all know that 158 value was published. Now when Geale was 167.5 at the 7-day weigh-in, that old weight is being questioned.
“The thing is he has a contract and it should be honored but in today’s day and age it doesn’t seem like things are honored all the time,” stated the trainer. “Thing was when I was a fighter, we did but things change a little bit. I’m not too sure what he’s going to weigh but if he comes in overweight, we got some guys to back him up. We got replacements believe me, we did cover all our bases.”
http://www.BS.com/roach-if-gea ... ups--91842
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 20:20
I'll say it again because it needs to be said. Cotto is a piece of shit for imposing a catchweight on a title fight. I know Roach is behind it, and has done it many times with Pacquiao. Cotto is not a man. He is a chicken shit, and needs to be called on it. fornicate the catchweights!
Cotto: If you are too afraid to fight a guy like Geale at the sanctioned weight limit, retire you fornicating pussy.
Cotto: If you are too afraid to fight a guy like Geale at the sanctioned weight limit, retire you fornicating pussy.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 20:26
Asshole has a nerve to talk honor after demanding catch weight. I'd love to see Geale dont make 157. I am sure they will fight him if he is 158. One thing I am not sure is will the belt still be on the line if Geale breaches the contract but is still under 160.fergusg wrote:"Roach: If Geale Can't Make Weight, We Have Backups!"ikorolev wrote:We all know that 158 value was published. Now when Geale was 167.5 at the 7-day weigh-in, that old weight is being questioned.
“The thing is he has a contract and it should be honored but in today’s day and age it doesn’t seem like things are honored all the time,” stated the trainer. “Thing was when I was a fighter, we did but things change a little bit. I’m not too sure what he’s going to weigh but if he comes in overweight, we got some guys to back him up. We got replacements believe me, we did cover all our bases.”
http://www.BS.com/roach-if-gea ... ups--91842
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 20:29
WBC commented that the belt will be on the line if Geale is under 160.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 20:30
Badhusker wrote: Cotto: If you are too afraid to fight a guy like Geale at the sanctioned weight limit, retire you effing pussy.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 21:34
In that case if Geale is under 160 and Cotto fights someone else, essentially pulls out of the defense, who gets the belt?ikorolev wrote:WBC commented that the belt will be on the line if Geale is under 160.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 21:49
Probably Cotto will keep it, but I doubt he will dare to fight an obscure replacement unless they have somebody like Heiland waiting to replace Geale.Tarkus wrote:In that case if Geale is under 160 and Cotto fights someone else, essentially pulls out of the defense, who gets the belt?ikorolev wrote:WBC commented that the belt will be on the line if Geale is under 160.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 03 Jun 2015, 22:33
Roach quotes are never to be taken serious
He has backups????
I'm sure HBO has some backup programming as well to put in the place of Cotto versus random bum
He has backups????
I'm sure HBO has some backup programming as well to put in the place of Cotto versus random bum
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 01:44
That card is already shite, cant replace the main event. Not that anyone is coming for that singing circus they have planned.FloydtheDuck wrote:Roach quotes are never to be taken serious
He has backups????
I'm sure HBO has some backup programming as well to put in the place of Cotto versus random bum
Geal should come just under 158 and let Cotto pussy out if he dares. I dont think he will and Geal will get a little moral victory before the fight.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 08:17
Geale should call his bluff. If he's 167.5lbs at 7 days out he's going to just try and crash the weight off at the last minute. If it gets too much he should stop at 160 and let Cotto deal with HBO if he suggests a replacement. I hear ticket sales are very slow and i'm sure HBO will be concerned about Cotto damaging his rep further before the prospective Canelo cashout.
The WBC said that both fighters have to be at or under 160 to fight for the belt and any other agreement between the boxers regarding weight is between them. Which is fair.
Has Cotto got any supporters left?
The better way to handle this would have been to offer Geale a lower purse with a top up for each lb he came in under the limit so it wasn't forced on him. If Geale chose to come in at 157 and blamed a defeat on the lower weight Cotto could take the high ground and say that was Geale's choice and greed made him make a bad decision.
The WBC said that both fighters have to be at or under 160 to fight for the belt and any other agreement between the boxers regarding weight is between them. Which is fair.
Has Cotto got any supporters left?
The better way to handle this would have been to offer Geale a lower purse with a top up for each lb he came in under the limit so it wasn't forced on him. If Geale chose to come in at 157 and blamed a defeat on the lower weight Cotto could take the high ground and say that was Geale's choice and greed made him make a bad decision.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 11:06
Golovkin will be there, so if Cotto needs a backup, he can just call GennadyFloydtheDuck wrote: He has backups????
I'm sure HBO has some backup programming as well to put in the place of Cotto versus random bum
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 11:27
Badhusker wrote:I'll say it again because it needs to be said. Cotto is a piece of poo for imposing a catchweight on a title fight. I know Roach is behind it, and has done it many times with Pacquiao. Cotto is not a man. He is a chicken poo, and needs to be called on it. eff the catchweights!
Cotto: If you are too afraid to fight a guy like Geale at the sanctioned weight limit, retire you effing pussy.
I have always liked Cotto but i hate catchweight fights,it's probably Roach's idea anyway,but it should not be allowed in title fights,even Ray Leonard didn't stoop that low with Hagler.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 11:32
If Geale doesn't make the catchweight then Cotto can pull out of the fight and he definitely will if Geale turns up 3lbs over. Might not be a financial penalty in the contract but Geale will get nothing if he does that and he will be in breach of contract.knurak wrote:Promoter Gary Shaw clarified to BS.com that Geale's 30-day weight, released by the WBC as 158, was inaccurate. He said 'no chance' he was 158-pounds 30 days ago.I hope Geale ignores the catchweight. As long as he makes 160, Cotto's gonna have to go through with the fight.In the event he misses the catchweight mark, Geale would be subject to whatever fine is imposed by the New York State Athletic Commission, since the presiding commission is obliged to honor the weight stipulated in the bout contracts. Nothing in the language of the contract suggests additional penalties for either party in the event they miss weight.
“There is no fine in place,” confirmed Roc Nation COO David Itskowitch when asked of the consequences in such a situation.
However, Cotto himself could have final say if it comes to that. After all, it was upon the insistence of the defending champion and his trainer, Freddie Roach that Geale come in at less than the standard divisional limit.
“When Freddie made the deal for the (Manny) Pacquiao fight, and made me go down to 145 instead of 147. If I accept the deal, I have to make 145 instead of 147,” Cotto recalled of his Nov. ’09 clash with Pacquiao, agreeing to such terms despite coming in as the defending titlist. “If they want to fight with Miguel Cotto, they make the catchweight.
“If not, the fight doesn’t happen.”
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 12:09
Cotto will also get nothing if he pulls out except more despise from fans.expe wrote: If Geale doesn't make the catchweight then Cotto can pull out of the fight and he definitely will if Geale turns up 3lbs over. Might not be a financial penalty in the contract but Geale will get nothing if he does that and he will be in breach of contract.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 13:08
But he did with Donny Lalonde.bigjack wrote:Badhusker wrote:I'll say it again because it needs to be said. Cotto is a piece of poo for imposing a catchweight on a title fight. I know Roach is behind it, and has done it many times with Pacquiao. Cotto is not a man. He is a chicken poo, and needs to be called on it. eff the catchweights!
Cotto: If you are too afraid to fight a guy like Geale at the sanctioned weight limit, retire you effing pussy.
I have always liked Cotto but i hate catchweight fights,it's probably Roach's idea anyway,but it should not be allowed in title fights,even Ray Leonard didn't stoop that low with Hagler.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 13:31
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 13:35
Baby Face Finster wrote:But he did with Donny Lalonde.bigjack wrote:Badhusker wrote:I'll say it again because it needs to be said. Cotto is a piece of poo for imposing a catchweight on a title fight. I know Roach is behind it, and has done it many times with Pacquiao. Cotto is not a man. He is a chicken poo, and needs to be called on it. eff the catchweights!
Cotto: If you are too afraid to fight a guy like Geale at the sanctioned weight limit, retire you effing pussy.
I have always liked Cotto but i hate catchweight fights,it's probably Roach's idea anyway,but it should not be allowed in title fights,even Ray Leonard didn't stoop that low with Hagler.
Yes i know,what i was getting at is,Leonard got everything he wanted in the Hagler fight except a catchweight,which i wouldn't be surprised if he asked for.
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 14:03
"He [Geale] was the best name on the table, and we always pick the best name". What a joke
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 15:42
Cotto stands to lose so much more than Geale though. I just think the money and fallout would be too much and he'd almost have to go through with it. He's already caught shit for the layoff, catchweight, and attitude towards GGG/Canelo fights. It's hard to imagine the reaction if Geale weighs 159/160 and Cotto cancels or uses a replacement opponent. What defending champion has ever cancelled a fight because of a missed catchweight? Especially when the opponent is still within the weight class limit?expe wrote:If Geale doesn't make the catchweight then Cotto can pull out of the fight and he definitely will if Geale turns up 3lbs over. Might not be a financial penalty in the contract but Geale will get nothing if he does that and he will be in breach of contract.knurak wrote:Promoter Gary Shaw clarified to BS.com that Geale's 30-day weight, released by the WBC as 158, was inaccurate. He said 'no chance' he was 158-pounds 30 days ago.I hope Geale ignores the catchweight. As long as he makes 160, Cotto's gonna have to go through with the fight.In the event he misses the catchweight mark, Geale would be subject to whatever fine is imposed by the New York State Athletic Commission, since the presiding commission is obliged to honor the weight stipulated in the bout contracts. Nothing in the language of the contract suggests additional penalties for either party in the event they miss weight.
“There is no fine in place,” confirmed Roc Nation COO David Itskowitch when asked of the consequences in such a situation.
However, Cotto himself could have final say if it comes to that. After all, it was upon the insistence of the defending champion and his trainer, Freddie Roach that Geale come in at less than the standard divisional limit.
“When Freddie made the deal for the (Manny) Pacquiao fight, and made me go down to 145 instead of 147. If I accept the deal, I have to make 145 instead of 147,” Cotto recalled of his Nov. ’09 clash with Pacquiao, agreeing to such terms despite coming in as the defending titlist. “If they want to fight with Miguel Cotto, they make the catchweight.
“If not, the fight doesn’t happen.”
Would anybody still think Cotto can beat GGG or Canelo if he's coming off an 18 month stretch where he fought only once against a last-minute replacement?
Re: how much is the fine if geale makes 160 but
Posted: 04 Jun 2015, 16:49
Roc Nation clearly let Cotto down (to our excitement) by missing the important weight penalty clause in the contract. That's a price one pays for dealing with promotional rookies.