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For one thing, he doesn't fight out of his garage surrounded by yes-men. Canelo still has the same degenerate team that fawns all over him telling him he's the greatest red headed Mexican of all-time (he's not, that distinction belongs to Danny Lopez). Canelo doesn't even train hard. His crappy stamina is obvious in most of his fights. He didn't look good versus Lara. The Kirkland fight was nothing to get excited about since James gets knocked down in almost every single fight of his.

Cotto boxes better, moves better, and has better defense. I don't know if he punches harder but they are comparable for sure. Canelo rips off more combinations than Cotto but Cotto isn't going to be standing still like Kirkland. Canelo is best when he's able to back his opponent up and square up and let loose his combinations. Cotto isn't going to let him do that. He will show him lateral movement and he'll make Canelo pay for any mistakes he makes with overzealous punching.

Cotto is wiser and has improved under Roach. It is plain to the naked eye. I would say that Canelo could have a chance in the later rounds if Cotto were to get tired like he used to, but, Canelo's stamina is shoddy to say the least. So, I don't see how Canelo can beat this new and improved Miguel Cotto.

Canelo and GGG would ko Cotto

Floyd would outwork him like last time

5burowz wrote:For one thing, he doesn't fight out of his garage surrounded by yes-men. Canelo still has the same degenerate team that fawns all over him telling him he's the greatest red headed Mexican of all-time (he's not, that distinction belongs to Danny Lopez). Canelo doesn't even train hard. His crappy stamina is obvious in most of his fights. He didn't look good versus Lara. The Kirkland fight was nothing to get excited about since James gets knocked down in almost every single fight of his.

Cotto boxes better, moves better, and has better defense. I don't know if he punches harder but they are comparable for sure. Canelo rips off more combinations than Cotto but Cotto isn't going to be standing still like Kirkland. Canelo is best when he's able to back his opponent up and square up and let loose his combinations. Cotto isn't going to let him do that. He will show him lateral movement and he'll make Canelo pay for any mistakes he makes with overzealous punching.

Cotto is wiser and has improved under Roach. It is plain to the naked eye. I would say that Canelo could have a chance in the later rounds if Cotto were to get tired like he used to, but, Canelo's stamina is shoddy to say the least. So, I don't see how Canelo can beat this new and improved Miguel Cotto.

Agree

Canelo needs a new trainer.

Nacho would do wonders for him imo.

cotto is a better boxer than canelo but canelo is aggressive.
cotto will try to work off angles but one thing for sure it will
be a bodypunchapalooza and an entertaining fight.

I think Cotto should re-match Trout before Canelo, to see if he has actually improved under Roach. Canelo already won vs Trout in a close fight. Trout dominated Cotto. I guess few seem to remember that.

FloydtheDuck wrote:Canelo and GGG would ko Cotto

Floyd would outwork him like last time

I doubt Canelo KO's Cotto but I have no doubt that GGG could or would probably do so. Canelo is slower and throws his punches wider than Cotto, that is the reason why Floyd was able to beat him because he'd shoot straight rights and the occasional uppercut right up the middle between those wide shots Canelo was throwing.

Cotto would be able to exploit that same gap in Canelo's shots because he punches very straight with his right hand and his left hook to the body isn't wide or telegraphed and gets there quickly, no doubt it will be a great fight but for either man it will be all about who can make the other fighter fight going backwards because neither are counterpunchers.

Cotto did a lot of countering today for a boxer who isn't a counterpuncher

Cotto couldn't handle Trout but would beat Canelo?

No.

Badhusker wrote:I think Cotto should re-match Trout before Canelo, to see if he has actually improved under Roach. Canelo already won vs Trout in a close fight. Trout dominated Cotto. I guess few seem to remember that.

Yeah ... but no.

Let's just have Cotto/Canelo. If Trout wants to build himself back up, he has lots of other options at 154 in the Haymon stable.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I think Cotto should re-match Trout before Canelo, to see if he has actually improved under Roach. Canelo already won vs Trout in a close fight. Trout dominated Cotto. I guess few seem to remember that.

Yeah ... but no.

Let's just have Cotto/Canelo. If Trout wants to build himself back up, he has lots of other options at 154 in the Haymon stable.

Yes, let's have the Diva fight somebody who can fight back. He doesn't have the balls to face GGG at 160 or close to that, so Canelo is the next best choice.

Some of you guys are getting a little too excited by the Cotto illusion.

He moves to middleweight (sort of) and topples a faded B fighter in Rodriguez, then dismantles a one-legged, end of the road champion in Martinez, and last night pummels a weight-drained, over-the-hill Daniel Geale.

An illusion. What you see, isn't what you'll get when Cotto squares off with Canelo.

He'll be in against a younger, harder punching fighter, who is approaching his prime and will eventually settle in as a legitimate, strong middleweight---something Cotto is not.

Cotto will have his moments, he's been a terrific fighter for more than a decade. He'll try to use his experience and attempt to outbox the Mexican, emplying the same style he did against Margarito in the rematch.

But this is Canelo's time, not Cotto's. He'll pressure and wear down the veteran Puerto Rican and might even come up with a late KO.

A popular decision is more likely, but either way the Cotto illusion will finally evaporate when he faces his first "live" opponent at middleweight.

5burowz wrote:For one thing, he doesn't fight out of his garage surrounded by yes-men. Canelo still has the same degenerate team that fawns all over him telling him he's the greatest red headed Mexican of all-time (he's not, that distinction belongs to Danny Lopez). Canelo doesn't even train hard. His crappy stamina is obvious in most of his fights. He didn't look good versus Lara. The Kirkland fight was nothing to get excited about since James gets knocked down in almost every single fight of his.

Cotto boxes better, moves better, and has better defense. I don't know if he punches harder but they are comparable for sure. Canelo rips off more combinations than Cotto but Cotto isn't going to be standing still like Kirkland. Canelo is best when he's able to back his opponent up and square up and let loose his combinations. Cotto isn't going to let him do that. He will show him lateral movement and he'll make Canelo pay for any mistakes he makes with overzealous punching.

Cotto is wiser and has improved under Roach. It is plain to the naked eye. I would say that Canelo could have a chance in the later rounds if Cotto were to get tired like he used to, but, Canelo's stamina is shoddy to say the least. So, I don't see how Canelo can beat this new and improved Miguel Cotto.

Come On! Two wins over dead bodies does not make Cotto a better fighter than he was---Canelo by 8 to 4 decision or late stoppage!

Cotto isn't beating anyone Canelo wouldn't beat. Remember Trout is common opponent. I know the styles make fight theory but also its levels to this and to Canelo is a level above Cotto

world ranked wrote:Cotto isn't beating anyone Canelo wouldn't beat. Remember Trout is common opponent. I know the styles make fight theory but also its levels to this and to Canelo is a level above Cotto

Theory?

I guess if we're using boxing math, Trout beats........

........Lara.........right? I mean "levels" and all.

Joshua Cottley would beat Cotto, and Cottley isn't even in the top 10.

In their last fight Cotto fought well as and was hanging on for dear life. Joshua looked like he was only getting out of third gear and only lost a very close decision.

Cotto is a great fighter but no world beater

Marky_Marc wrote:
Cotto is a great fighter but no world beater

Well is he or isn't he?

Yeah that seems not not make sense I never knew great fighter to not be a world beater. What is the definition of world beater does that mean he can't beat world class guys.

world ranked wrote:Yeah that seems not not make sense I never knew great fighter to not be a world beater. What is the definition of world beater does that mean he can't beat world class guys.

Yeah, I mean if a four weight world champion isn't a world beater, he must have the best management team ever.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

world ranked wrote:Cotto isn't beating anyone Canelo wouldn't beat. Remember Trout is common opponent. I know the styles make fight theory but also its levels to this and to Canelo is a level above Cotto

Theory?

I guess if we're using boxing math, Trout beats........

........Lara.........right? I mean "levels" and all.

According to "boxing math", Lara and Trout are on the same level, as they both lost close questionable decisions to Canelo. Lara vs Trout was a rare fight of two southpaws where one of them was prepared better partly due to better amateur pedigree.
A good illustration of styles making fights.

Thanks for clearing that up, I don't understand boxing math too well. I usually just watch the fights and try to figure out what's what best I can.

Anyways, I wouldn't even watch Cotto vs. Alvarez, now that I know he isn't on the top level.

You could have had a great career, Miguel, you just never got to that top level. You'll have to settle for being a four weight world champion, of a lesser level.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

world ranked wrote:Cotto isn't beating anyone Canelo wouldn't beat. Remember Trout is common opponent. I know the styles make fight theory but also its levels to this and to Canelo is a level above Cotto

Theory?

I guess if we're using boxing math, Trout beats........

........Lara.........right? I mean "levels" and all.

Where in the boxing math does Trout beats Lara? What Theory would have Trout have beaten Lara. Now in theory he should have been competive with Lara but where do you get Trout beating Lara

Bobbyptsd wrote:Thanks for clearing that up, I don't understand boxing math too well. I usually just watch the fights and try to figure out what's what best I can.

Anyways, I wouldn't even watch Cotto vs. Alvarez, now that I know he isn't on the top level.

You could have had a great career, Miguel, you just never got to that top level. You'll have to settle for being a four weight world champion, of a lesser level.

Cotto's great career happened at WW and under. At LMW, his achievements don't look too good, and at MW, he has been scavenging shot bodies.

world ranked wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:

world ranked wrote:Cotto isn't beating anyone Canelo wouldn't beat. Remember Trout is common opponent. I know the styles make fight theory but also its levels to this and to Canelo is a level above Cotto

Theory?

I guess if we're using boxing math, Trout beats........

........Lara.........right? I mean "levels" and all.

Where in the boxing math does Trout beats Lara? What Theory would have Trout have beaten Lara. Now in theory he should have been competive with Lara but where do you get Trout beating Lara

Ugggh.

I'm taking the piss at the whole absurd "boxing math" thing.

ikorolev wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:Thanks for clearing that up, I don't understand boxing math too well. I usually just watch the fights and try to figure out what's what best I can.

Anyways, I wouldn't even watch Cotto vs. Alvarez, now that I know he isn't on the top level.

You could have had a great career, Miguel, you just never got to that top level. You'll have to settle for being a four weight world champion, of a lesser level.

Cotto's great career happened at WW and under. At LMW, his achievements don't look too good, and at MW, he has been scavenging shot bodies.

If Cotto wasn't #1 at junior middle after beating Foreman, I'd like to know who was. And Geale wasn't shot.

ikorolev wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:Thanks for clearing that up, I don't understand boxing math too well. I usually just watch the fights and try to figure out what's what best I can.

Anyways, I wouldn't even watch Cotto vs. Alvarez, now that I know he isn't on the top level.

You could have had a great career, Miguel, you just never got to that top level. You'll have to settle for being a four weight world champion, of a lesser level.

Cotto's great career happened at WW and under. At LMW, his achievements don't look too good, and at MW, he has been scavenging shot bodies.

HBO was selling Cotto hard. Its a passing a torch to me Canelo might stop him imo. Its a shame what hes doing to the middleweight title with him a Jacobs masquerading as champs is shameful