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I have never heard anyone say that any of the 154lbers are cowards for not fighting GGG. No one should ever be expected to move up in weight.

I personally think the only reason a fighter shouold ever move up is because he can't make the current weight or for a big fight. Neither of those apply in this situation.

Yes, Gennady can beat everybody between 154 and 168. The question is if he wants to go up or down to earn a purse he could get at MW.

Speaking about Floyd, he is #1 p4p and self-proclaimed TBE, so he could try to prove that by winning a belt in an additional weight class. Nobody is demanding it, but some fighters from the past in his position would certainly do that.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Gennady can beat everybody between 154 and 168. The question is if he wants to go up or down to earn a purse he could get at MW

You previously accused some of the big names that weren’t interested in facing Golovkin as being “cowards”, because they claimed that could command similar sums to face less threatening foes.

Yet you support GGG for doing precisely the same thing to Ward & DeGale?

Big and not so big names I allegedly accused didn't have to go up or down in weight to face him. If you don't see the difference, then there is nothing I can help you with.

Once again, for dummies, I can repeat: Golovkin can beat anybody between 154 and 168. Put a good money on the table, and he will do that.

If you din't know, "can" and "shall" are two different words. Nobody has ever said that Golovkin WOULD be fighting everybody between 154 and 168 regardless of a purse size. Two years ago, when Golovkin was relatively unknown and desperate to get big names, they were more flexible. Now, when he can draw better, they became more picky when he needs to move up or down. In contrast with some other boxers, Gennady SHALL face any top fighter IN HIS WEIGHT CLASS willing to get into the ring with him.

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Gennady can beat everybody between 154 and 168. The question is if he wants to go up or down to earn a purse he could get at MW.

Speaking about Floyd, he is #1 p4p and self-proclaimed TBE, so he could try to prove that by winning a belt in an additional weight class. Nobody is demanding it, but some fighters from the past in his position would certainly do that.

Christ, he's won world titles in 5 divisions and is clearly physically limited from going up further as he can't add more weight and stay in shape, but you want him to go for another weight.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Once again, for dummies, I can repeat: Golovkin can beat anybody between 154 and 168. Put a good money on the table, and he will do that.

If you din't know, "can" and "shall" are two different words. Nobody has ever said that Golovkin WOULD be fighting everybody between 154 and 168 regardless of a purse size. Two years ago, when Golovkin was relatively unknown and desperate to get big names, they were more flexible. Now, when he can draw better, they became more picky when he needs to move up or down. In contrast with some other boxers, Gennady SHALL face any top fighter IN HIS WEIGHT CLASS willing to get into the ring with him.

And yet Gennady Golovkin would earn a much better purse engaging in his first ever bout against a genuine world titleholder like James DeGale, instead of facing anonymous second-tier 160lb-ers like Willie Monroe Jr., Tureano Johnson, Jorge Heiland or Les Sherrington?

The crazy thing is… you’re even using the very same excuses that the men you previously lambasted had cited when they claimed that there wasn’t enough money in it for them to face Golovkin!

Apparently, you want to “have your cake and eat it”, as you seem to believe that Golovkin is doing the right thing declining opponents due to a lack of cash, but you feel that it’s seemingly unpalatable for other men to make the very same decision for precisely same reason when they won't face him?

You are now sounding like a complete idiot. Why do you keep forgetting about moving up in weight ? Anonymous other fighters you keep mentioning wouldn't need to move to another weight class to face Golovkin. Golovkin is a middleweight and to move up, a purse needs to be significantly higher. If Hearn offers let's say 3 million for fighting DeGale, I am sure there would be no problem.

fergusg wrote: The issue is compounded when you consider that Gennady Golovkin competed as a 165lb-er in the amateur ranks since 2003, at a time when Floyd was the 134lb lightweight world champion.

Why don't you compare their birth weights ? Maybe it will help you even better ?

Only an idiot would have a problem with floyd not fighting GGG.

This has been discussed before, but jumping to 168 and then coming back down to 160 will be extremely difficult. If he makes that jump, odds are it would probably have to be for good. So why would he do that for a guy like degale who isn't going to demand much interest while potentially giving up all chance to ever fight cotto and canelo, MUCh bigger fights against guys who are at his actual weight classs. Just because he or his team said he could do it doesn't mean it is a smart move or one that he should be expected to make.

Its like saying " I could go bang that fat chick across the room". Just because I said it and could do it, doesn't mean I should or that anyone would want to see it.

The problem is the two 154lers aren't really fighting at 154. Cotto has a middleweight strap and Canelo hasn't fought below 155 since his fight with Mayweather which technically makes him a middleweight.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:You are now sounding like a complete idiot. Why do you keep forgetting about moving up in weight ?

Weight wasn't an issue for you or team GGG before, but now that Golovkin has started declining risky fights due to a lack of cash, it now becomes a problem.

For the record, I would never criticise a fighter for not being willing to compete at a higher weight class. My issue is merely related to hypocrisy and contradictory statements of Team GGG and his obsessive fans.

Golovkin is not declining risky fights. He is only declining fights where he wouldn't get a fair pay. And once again for dummies:

ikorolev wrote:In contrast with some other boxers, Gennady SHALL face any top fighter IN HIS WEIGHT CLASS willing to get into the ring with him.

Fergus why dont u answer to @jockpunk.

AND STOP USING THOSE F#CKING RED/BLUE TEXT, U so annoying.

I fully support the idea of Floyd Mayweather going up to middleweight, to face Miguel Cotto.

Every time someone on here has written about GGG fighting FLOYD it has always been about GGG dropping down a division, I don't think floyd would fight him anyway even if he did drop down

DeGale v GGG isn't happening any time soon.

expe wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Gennady can beat everybody between 154 and 168. The question is if he wants to go up or down to earn a purse he could get at MW.

Speaking about Floyd, he is #1 p4p and self-proclaimed TBE, so he could try to prove that by winning a belt in an additional weight class. Nobody is demanding it, but some fighters from the past in his position would certainly do that.

Christ, he's won world titles in 5 divisions and is clearly physically limited from going up further as he can't add more weight and stay in shape, but you want him to go for another weight.

He's (and I don't think I'm shocking anyone here) a huge fan of Golovkin. So if GGG got a win against Mayweather I'm assuming he'd be pretty chuffed about it.

I agree with your assessment of Floyd, but I'd frankly be surprised if he didn't say Floyd should move up to fight GGG.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Golovkin is not declining risky fights. He is only declining fights where he wouldn't get a fair pay. And once again for dummies...

I’ve got to give you credit! You’re dedicated to the Golovkin cause!

Believe it or not, I’m a Golovkin fan also, but sometimes I like to poke the bear, as you seem to always get rattled when someone says something that could be even tiniest bit derogatory against you man.

Meanwhile, you really don’t recognise your flip-flopping stance, because in your eyes, Team Golovkin (which includes Abel Sanchez & Tom Loeffler) can do no wrong (even when they contradict themselves!)

I am starting to think that you are yet another account of Brut/KBB. First of all, you argue with almost everybody in this forum except him and his other account, kool... (don't remember what that is). Second: exactly like KBB, you are not listening to your opponent's arguments.

Yes, Sanchez and especially Loefler can do things wrong, but in case of DeGale, they just follow what they previously said: going up or down only for a big money/ppv fight.

By the way, DeGale himself like many others "wants" to fight GGG but "not right now". He prefers easier potential opponents like Murray stopped by GGG or opponents bringing more money, like Froch. Similar with Ward -- he will not take Golovkin fight for a couple mil, and nobody offers more at this time. Please note that these two guys would fight at their weight, while GGG would need to move up, but I guess you don't see the difference.