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first of all, i like povetkin style and joshua, they fun to watch, but i am talking just sense here.

jushua is a 248 pound giant with no condition, on top he is slow, very slow. with his guard down at all times.
so, him winning impressiv against an totaly untrained kevin johnson means he would win against a wilder, who struggled at some point in his last fight?

this is the boxrec forum logic rather than going into the discussion of actual skill or physical ability?

lets talk last opponent first. kevin lost 5 out of his last 8 fights, he is prety much done with boxing, doesnt even train, at least he looks untrained, its normal to ko a guy fast, who is only in the ring for the check anymore. molina is a 6'4 physicly strong guy, who t/ko'd 5 of his last 8 opponents and only lost 1 time in his last 8 fights before facing wilder. he still had some energy left. at least power, skill wise he is journeyman.

now, lets talk ability. powerwise wilder and jushua are similar, both very strong puncher, but here is the big deal, wilder can unleash a punch, you do not see coming. jushua is so slow, he like telegraphes a shot. wilder has like one of the strongest 1+2 punches at heavyweight, jushua with his big arms, has his guard virtually always low. so you guys think this would not a big advantage and jushua would survive 12 rounds, with his guard low, like he usualy does against a guy who is known for koing guys in 30 fights in the 1?

than povetkin, dude is 6'2 and was close to losing against a cruiserweight, named huck, you guys realy think he can of all the sudden win against a 6'7 heavyweight with a 97 % ko ratio in 34 fights

and the most important advantage out of every advantages is the reach factor. 75″ / 191cm for poevtkin against 83″ / 211cm for wilder. thats like a boy fighting his dad. 0 chance.

but based on impressive wins, against such great boxers, like takam or charr and perez, based on that fact, poetkin would win against wilder, boxrec forum logic

Chepppaaa wrote:first of all, i like povetkin style and joshua, they fun to watch, but i am talking just sense here.

jushua is a 248 pound giant with no condition, on top he is slow, very slow. with his guard down at all times.
so, him winning impressiv against an totaly untrained kevin johnson means he would win against a wilder, who struggled at some point in his last fight?

this is the boxrec forum logic rather than going into the discussion of actual skill or physical ability?

lets talk last opponent first. kevin lost 5 out of his last 8 fights, he is prety much done with boxing, doesnt even train, at least he looks untrained, its normal to ko a guy fast, who is only in the ring for the check anymore. molina is a 6'4 physicly strong guy, who t/ko'd 5 of his last 8 opponents and only lost 1 time in his last 8 fights before facing wilder. he still had some energy left. at least power, skill wise he is journeyman.

now, lets talk ability. powerwise wilder and jushua are similar, both very strong puncher, but here is the big deal, wilder can unleash a punch, you do not see coming. jushua is so slow, he like telegraphes a shot. wilder has like one of the strongest 1+2 punches at heavyweight, jushua with his big arms, has his guard virtually always low. so you guys think this would not a big advantage and jushua would survive 12 rounds, with his guard low, like he usualy does against a guy who is known for koing guys in 30 fights in the 1?

than povetkin, dude is 6'2 and was close to losing against a cruiserweight, named huck, you guys realy think he can of all the sudden win against a 6'7 heavyweight with a 97 % ko ratio in 34 fights

and the most important advantage out of every advantages is the reach factor. 75″ / 191cm for poevtkin against 83″ / 211cm for wilder. thats like a boy fighting his dad. 0 chance.

but based on impressive wins, against such great boxers, like takam or charr and perez, based on that fact, poetkin would win against wilder, boxrec forum logic

Everybody knowledge can be questioned even yours that even with all those advantages he let a guy who was not expect to go past 3 rounds hurt him and gave him a tough fight even though being a 50 to 1 favorite

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:first of all, i like povetkin style and joshua, they fun to watch, but i am talking just sense here.

jushua is a 248 pound giant with no condition, on top he is slow, very slow. with his guard down at all times.
so, him winning impressiv against an totaly untrained kevin johnson means he would win against a wilder, who struggled at some point in his last fight?

this is the boxrec forum logic rather than going into the discussion of actual skill or physical ability?

lets talk last opponent first. kevin lost 5 out of his last 8 fights, he is prety much done with boxing, doesnt even train, at least he looks untrained, its normal to ko a guy fast, who is only in the ring for the check anymore. molina is a 6'4 physicly strong guy, who t/ko'd 5 of his last 8 opponents and only lost 1 time in his last 8 fights before facing wilder. he still had some energy left. at least power, skill wise he is journeyman.

now, lets talk ability. powerwise wilder and jushua are similar, both very strong puncher, but here is the big deal, wilder can unleash a punch, you do not see coming. jushua is so slow, he like telegraphes a shot. wilder has like one of the strongest 1+2 punches at heavyweight, jushua with his big arms, has his guard virtually always low. so you guys think this would not a big advantage and jushua would survive 12 rounds, with his guard low, like he usualy does against a guy who is known for koing guys in 30 fights in the 1?

than povetkin, dude is 6'2 and was close to losing against a cruiserweight, named huck, you guys realy think he can of all the sudden win against a 6'7 heavyweight with a 97 % ko ratio in 34 fights

and the most important advantage out of every advantages is the reach factor. 75″ / 191cm for poevtkin against 83″ / 211cm for wilder. thats like a boy fighting his dad. 0 chance.

but based on impressive wins, against such great boxers, like takam or charr and perez, based on that fact, poetkin would win against wilder, boxrec forum logic

Everybody knowledge can be questioned even yours that even with all those advantages he let a guy who was not expect to go past 3 rounds hurt him and gave him a tough fight even though being a 50 to 1 favorite

yeah that can happen, that a big guy can wobble another guy who is the clear cut favourite, or even beat (purity-klitschko), but as far as boxing goes, as far as advantages go its wilder > povetkin/joshua

we in a boxing forum, we shouldnt talk so much about rare exceptions, but about actualy quality. people act like molina won every round, he wobbled wilder ones and won like 2 rounds out of 9 rounds, big deal.

Wilder didn't look too great and now Joshua and povetkin who got dominated by wlad are looked at as the future of the heavyweight division. It's just gonna go down hill even more.

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:first of all, i like povetkin style and joshua, they fun to watch, but i am talking just sense here.

jushua is a 248 pound giant with no condition, on top he is slow, very slow. with his guard down at all times.
so, him winning impressiv against an totaly untrained kevin johnson means he would win against a wilder, who struggled at some point in his last fight?

this is the boxrec forum logic rather than going into the discussion of actual skill or physical ability?

lets talk last opponent first. kevin lost 5 out of his last 8 fights, he is prety much done with boxing, doesnt even train, at least he looks untrained, its normal to ko a guy fast, who is only in the ring for the check anymore. molina is a 6'4 physicly strong guy, who t/ko'd 5 of his last 8 opponents and only lost 1 time in his last 8 fights before facing wilder. he still had some energy left. at least power, skill wise he is journeyman.

now, lets talk ability. powerwise wilder and jushua are similar, both very strong puncher, but here is the big deal, wilder can unleash a punch, you do not see coming. jushua is so slow, he like telegraphes a shot. wilder has like one of the strongest 1+2 punches at heavyweight, jushua with his big arms, has his guard virtually always low. so you guys think this would not a big advantage and jushua would survive 12 rounds, with his guard low, like he usualy does against a guy who is known for koing guys in 30 fights in the 1?

than povetkin, dude is 6'2 and was close to losing against a cruiserweight, named huck, you guys realy think he can of all the sudden win against a 6'7 heavyweight with a 97 % ko ratio in 34 fights

and the most important advantage out of every advantages is the reach factor. 75″ / 191cm for poevtkin against 83″ / 211cm for wilder. thats like a boy fighting his dad. 0 chance.

but based on impressive wins, against such great boxers, like takam or charr and perez, based on that fact, poetkin would win against wilder, boxrec forum logic

Everybody knowledge can be questioned even yours that even with all those advantages he let a guy who was not expect to go past 3 rounds hurt him and gave him a tough fight even though being a 50 to 1 favorite

yeah that can happen, that a big guy can wobble another guy who is the clear cut favourite, or even beat (purity-klitschko), but as far as boxing goes, as far as advantages go its wilder > povetkin/joshua

we in a boxing forum, we shouldnt talk so much about rare exceptions, but about actualy quality. people act like molina won every round, he wobbled wilder ones and won like 2 rounds out of 9 rounds, big deal.

What do you expect judging by Wilders resume or lack of one thereof.

sykessta wrote:Wilder didn't look too great and now Joshua and povetkin who got dominated by wlad are looked at as the future of the heavyweight division. It's just gonna go down hill even more.

Wilder is still interesting, but it sure looks like he won't dominate like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschko, or Holmes.

I'd look to guys like Joe Parker, Joshua, and either Fury to have a chance at some level of HW domination.

I am about to watch the fight but even without seeing it I can point out the obvious reason that Wilder has been brought along so slowly; he walks around on Bambi stilts.

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:first of all, i like povetkin style and joshua, they fun to watch, but i am talking just sense here.

jushua is a 248 pound giant with no condition, on top he is slow, very slow. with his guard down at all times.
so, him winning impressiv against an totaly untrained kevin johnson means he would win against a wilder, who struggled at some point in his last fight?

this is the boxrec forum logic rather than going into the discussion of actual skill or physical ability?

lets talk last opponent first. kevin lost 5 out of his last 8 fights, he is prety much done with boxing, doesnt even train, at least he looks untrained, its normal to ko a guy fast, who is only in the ring for the check anymore. molina is a 6'4 physicly strong guy, who t/ko'd 5 of his last 8 opponents and only lost 1 time in his last 8 fights before facing wilder. he still had some energy left. at least power, skill wise he is journeyman.

now, lets talk ability. powerwise wilder and jushua are similar, both very strong puncher, but here is the big deal, wilder can unleash a punch, you do not see coming. jushua is so slow, he like telegraphes a shot. wilder has like one of the strongest 1+2 punches at heavyweight, jushua with his big arms, has his guard virtually always low. so you guys think this would not a big advantage and jushua would survive 12 rounds, with his guard low, like he usualy does against a guy who is known for koing guys in 30 fights in the 1?

than povetkin, dude is 6'2 and was close to losing against a cruiserweight, named huck, you guys realy think he can of all the sudden win against a 6'7 heavyweight with a 97 % ko ratio in 34 fights

and the most important advantage out of every advantages is the reach factor. 75″ / 191cm for poevtkin against 83″ / 211cm for wilder. thats like a boy fighting his dad. 0 chance.

but based on impressive wins, against such great boxers, like takam or charr and perez, based on that fact, poetkin would win against wilder, boxrec forum logic

Everybody knowledge can be questioned even yours that even with all those advantages he let a guy who was not expect to go past 3 rounds hurt him and gave him a tough fight even though being a 50 to 1 favorite

yeah that can happen, that a big guy can wobble another guy who is the clear cut favourite, or even beat (purity-klitschko), but as far as boxing goes, as far as advantages go its wilder > povetkin/joshua

we in a boxing forum, we shouldnt talk so much about rare exceptions, but about actualy quality. people act like molina won every round, he wobbled wilder ones and won like 2 rounds out of 9 rounds, big deal.

Upset aren't rare exceptions every week its a fight that is an upset. Advantages don't equate to wins. It helps but its not the end all be all. Every week there are fights to show that.

Tony1244 wrote:

sykessta wrote:Wilder didn't look too great and now Joshua and povetkin who got dominated by wlad are looked at as the future of the heavyweight division. It's just gonna go down hill even more.

Wilder is still interesting, but it sure looks like he won't dominate like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschko, or Holmes.

I'd look to guys like Joe Parker, Joshua, and either Fury to have a chance at some level of HW domination.

Well I haven't seen tyson fury fight since 2013 when he got dropped by blown up cruiser Steve Cunningham and that right there made me think he's not the greatest but who knows wlad got ktfo a couple of times early in his career and he's been on top for over a decade so I can't count fury out.

Upset aren't rare exceptions every week its a fight that is an upset. Advantages don't equate to wins. It helps but its not the end all be all. Every week there are fights to show that.[/quote]


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no, usualy the guy with the advantages, the favourite wins, not the underdog.

Chepppaaa wrote:Upset aren't rare exceptions every week its a fight that is an upset. Advantages don't equate to wins. It helps but its not the end all be all. Every week there are fights to show that.

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no, usualy the guy with the advantages, the favourite wins, not the underdog.[/quote]

not just physical advantages. Advantages meaning matchmaking makes them favorites. Again every week there's someone with those physical advantages loses its not just about the physical though it helps.

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:Upset aren't rare exceptions every week its a fight that is an upset. Advantages don't equate to wins. It helps but its not the end all be all. Every week there are fights to show that.

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no, usualy the guy with the advantages, the favourite wins, not the underdog.

not just physical advantages. Advantages meaning matchmaking makes them favorites. Again every week there's someone with those physical advantages loses its not just about the physical though it helps.[/quote]

dont switch

most fights the better guy wins and the better boxer is better than his opponent because of advantages he has over him, where is physic or technic

sykessta wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

sykessta wrote:Wilder didn't look too great and now Joshua and povetkin who got dominated by wlad are looked at as the future of the heavyweight division. It's just gonna go down hill even more.

Wilder is still interesting, but it sure looks like he won't dominate like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschko, or Holmes.

I'd look to guys like Joe Parker, Joshua, and either Fury to have a chance at some level of HW domination.

Well I haven't seen tyson fury fight since 2013 when he got dropped by blown up cruiser Steve Cunningham and that right there made me think he's not the greatest but who knows wlad got ktfo a couple of times early in his career and he's been on top for over a decade so I can't count fury out.

Ali was knocked down by Henry Cooper who I think weighed 184. But I get your point on Tyson Fury. He can be very inconsistent.

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:Upset aren't rare exceptions every week its a fight that is an upset. Advantages don't equate to wins. It helps but its not the end all be all. Every week there are fights to show that.

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no, usualy the guy with the advantages, the favourite wins, not the underdog.

not just physical advantages. Advantages meaning matchmaking makes them favorites. Again every week there's someone with those physical advantages loses its not just about the physical though it helps.

dont switch

most fights the better guy wins and the better boxer is better than his opponent because of advantages he has over him, where is physic or technic[/quote]
ier but
Agreed but Wilder has the physical advantages that you mentioned earlier but he doesn't have technical over Povetkin and Joshua not its not given that Wilder would win just because of the physical advantages but don't have the techinical

dont switch

most fights the better guy wins and the better boxer is better than his opponent because of advantages he has over him, where is physic or technic[/quote]
ier but
Agreed but Wilder has the physical advantages that you mentioned earlier but he doesn't have technical over Povetkin and Joshua not its not given that Wilder would win just because of the physical advantages but don't have the techinical[/quote]

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all 3 are technicaly limited.

poevtkin is the most technical sound, but he simply can not keep up with guys so tall and strong.

joshua is just plain slow, too big, to robotic, he would not be able to handle wilder elusvness and power speed.

Chepppaaa wrote:

all 3 are technicaly limited.

poevtkin is the most technical sound, but he simply can not keep up with guys so tall and strong.

joshua is just plain slow, too big, to robotic, he would not be able to handle wilder elusvness and power speed.

Povetkin and Joshua are miles better than Wilder techinically again physical dimentions doesn't makes Wilder a better overall fighter than those guys. Povetkin has one loss to a proven elite heavyweight. WIlder elusiveness I laugh a that comment

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

all 3 are technicaly limited.

poevtkin is the most technical sound, but he simply can not keep up with guys so tall and strong.

joshua is just plain slow, too big, to robotic, he would not be able to handle wilder elusvness and power speed.

Povetkin and Joshua are miles better than Wilder techinically again physical dimentions doesn't makes Wilder a better overall fighter than those guys. Povetkin has one loss to a proven elite heavyweight. WIlder elusiveness I laugh a that comment

you will see when they fight

Chepppaaa wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

all 3 are technicaly limited.

poevtkin is the most technical sound, but he simply can not keep up with guys so tall and strong.

joshua is just plain slow, too big, to robotic, he would not be able to handle wilder elusvness and power speed.

Povetkin and Joshua are miles better than Wilder techinically again physical dimentions doesn't makes Wilder a better overall fighter than those guys. Povetkin has one loss to a proven elite heavyweight. WIlder elusiveness I laugh a that comment

you will see when they fight

You got that right I cant wait for Haymon/Wilder to duck that Povetkin fight and become the PBC champion and vacate that WBC title

Is Joshua really slow as you say ? don't see it myself

Tony1244 wrote:

sykessta wrote:Wilder didn't look too great and now Joshua and povetkin who got dominated by wlad are looked at as the future of the heavyweight division. It's just gonna go down hill even more.

Wilder is still interesting, but it sure looks like he won't dominate like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschko, or Holmes.

I'd look to guys like Joe Parker, Joshua, and either Fury to have a chance at some level of HW domination.

People forget Wlad had to get kod 3 times before dominating. Its called growing as a fighter. U need to look at Wlads resume compared to Wilder. They're pretty close.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

sykessta wrote:Wilder didn't look too great and now Joshua and povetkin who got dominated by wlad are looked at as the future of the heavyweight division. It's just gonna go down hill even more.

Wilder is still interesting, but it sure looks like he won't dominate like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschko, or Holmes.

I'd look to guys like Joe Parker, Joshua, and either Fury to have a chance at some level of HW domination.

People forget Wlad had to get kod 3 times before dominating. Its called growing as a fighter. U need to look at Wlads resume compared to Wilder. They're pretty close.

Fair point. I was discussing earlier with someone that Fury was knocked down by Cunningham, as Ali (Clay then) was knocked down by Cooper. I must say I was disappointed in Wilder. He seemed right hand shy. Injury? Trying to prolong fight for fans? Saw no opening?

i was going off pro fights....not yrs.

Plus Wlad had damn near 200 amateur fights. Wilder may very well be a dud but hes hasnt folded like Wlad did early in his career. Does Wilder learn in these fights r the questions i want answered.

Hell deontay first put on gloves at 21.

Chep, you shouldn't be calling anyone out about lacking boxing knowledge.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

sykessta wrote:Wilder didn't look too great and now Joshua and povetkin who got dominated by wlad are looked at as the future of the heavyweight division. It's just gonna go down hill even more.

Wilder is still interesting, but it sure looks like he won't dominate like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschko, or Holmes.

I'd look to guys like Joe Parker, Joshua, and either Fury to have a chance at some level of HW domination.

People forget Wlad had to get kod 3 times before dominating. Its called growing as a fighter. U need to look at Wlads resume compared to Wilder. They're pretty close.

I don't think their resumes are very close. By Wilder's age, Wlad had fought 13 opponents who had a boxrec rating of 200+, Wilder has fought 2. At Deontay's age, Wlad had fought in 8 world title fights, Deontay has fought in 2. At Wilder's age, Wlad had beaten 4 opponents with a boxrec rating of 400+, Wilder has beaten 1. Wlad won an Olympic gold medal in the super heavyweight division when he was 20, Deontay won an Olympic bronze medal in the heavyweight (i.e. cruiserweight) division when he was 22. Wlad improved under the tutelage of one of the best trainers of all time, Wilder is not being trained by one of the best trainers of all time.

Actually, by Wilder's age, Ruslan Chagaev's resume was better. When all is said and done, it is possible that Chagaev will have more successful title defenses than Wilder. But maybe not.