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No not the sparring session with Paul Smith but his next real fight? Who are we thinking?

DeGale?
Jack-Groves winner?

I would rather DeGale fight the winner of Groves-Jack to set up a unification with Ward.

Will Ward be staying at 168 though? What's the point of this sparring session being at a catch weight?

I think it may just be Ward seeing how he feels at a higher weight - which would aid in his decision process in whether to move to 175 or not. Ward I'm sure is getting tired of guys ducking him at 168. Froch won't fight him. DeGale will probably duck him. GGG wants no parts. He's gotta make some $ somehow, someway and the only way to get good fights may be to move up. I have no doubts Ward will fight again at 168 - if an opponent is worthwhile.

I'm not moving beyond Smith, let's see how that goes.

diddy wrote: Ward I'm sure is getting tired of guys ducking him at 168. Froch won't fight him. DeGale will probably duck him. GGG wants no parts. .

And today's most deluded post goes to...

Evander wrote:I'm not moving beyond Smith, let's see how that goes.

You serious? You cant be serious. Edwin Rodriguez couldnt win a round against Ward. Edwin would beat Smith. How do you think Smith is gonna do?

He wont win a round. And it wont tell us a thing. We know exactly what happens here. 120-108 x3.

diddy wrote:

Evander wrote:I'm not moving beyond Smith, let's see how that goes.

You serious? You cant be serious. Edwin Rodriguez couldnt win a round against Ward. Edwin would beat Smith. How do you think Smith is gonna do?

He wont win a round. And it wont tell us a thing. We know exactly what happens here. 120-108 x3.

Let's see what Ward has on offer.
I thought Rodriguez challenged Ward in parts.

diddy wrote:

Evander wrote:I'm not moving beyond Smith, let's see how that goes.

You serious? You cant be serious. Edwin Rodriguez couldnt win a round against Ward. Edwin would beat Smith. How do you think Smith is gonna do?

He wont win a round. And it wont tell us a thing. We know exactly what happens here. 120-108 x3.

Don't think he's serious.

Also, Ward will stop Smith.

diddy wrote:I think it may just be Ward seeing how he feels at a higher weight - which would aid in his decision process in whether to move to 175 or not. Ward I'm sure is getting tired of guys ducking him at 168. Froch won't fight him. DeGale will probably duck him. GGG wants no parts. He's gotta make some $ somehow, someway and the only way to get good fights may be to move up. I have no doubts Ward will fight again at 168 - if an opponent is worthwhile.

Then surely it would have made more sense fighting a small LHW at a LHW catch limit instead of a small SMW at a LHW catch limit, he wont learn anything from this as it should be over inside 4 rounds.

diddy wrote:I think it may just be Ward seeing how he feels at a higher weight - which would aid in his decision process in whether to move to 175 or not. Ward I'm sure is getting tired of guys ducking him at 168. Froch won't fight him. DeGale will probably duck him. GGG wants no parts. He's gotta make some $ somehow, someway and the only way to get good fights may be to move up. I have no doubts Ward will fight again at 168 - if an opponent is worthwhile.

Has Ward's Team sent a good contract ? Here is what Gennady replied regarding Andre accusing him in looking for excuses:

http://www.BS.com/golovkin-shr ... sht--92369

Wow ! Doesn't sound like a good boy talking at all. Looks like Ward's accusations got under Gennady's skin. I wish somebody found money for their fight. Ward would need to do his best at clinching, as GGG is angry at him.

GGG is so full of sh*t when it comes to Ward. He said it himself 6 months ago he wasnt ready to face Ward yet....now Ward is moving up in weight and talking about a move to 175 and GGG now wants to talk about Ward. I'm seeing right through this BS. I love GGG but this is lame.

diddy wrote:GGG is so full of sh*t when it comes to Ward. He said it himself 6 months ago he wasnt ready to face Ward yet....now Ward is moving up in weight and talking about a move to 175 and GGG now wants to talk about Ward. I'm seeing right through this BS. I love GGG but this is lame.

GGG can't really express himself in English. He is repeating the same phrases like "I understand my situation", but can't say much beyond those phrases. Nobody knows what he meant saying "not ready", maybe he was just repeating arguments from HBO and Tom. Now, when Ward got under his skin, he said what he thinks in Russian.

Come on man. You know better than this. GGG and his camp want NO PARTS of Ward. Be serious.

diddy wrote:Come on man. You know better than this. GGG and his camp want NO PARTS of Ward. Be serious.

Be serious: Ward doesn't really want any part of GGG or Kovalev. He just talks knowing perfectly well that there is no money on the table for those fights to happen.

Andre will either go back down to 168 or fight C/B level light heavies for years.

Andre Ward has long been a prima donna, for example refusing to fight in a foreign country during the Super Six. But in recent years he's even becoming too too selfish and risk-averse for his own good!

If he wants to make decent money in the future, he'll have to leave Oakland and take the risk of fighting without a home referee who will permit him to use illegal tactics (deliberate head butts, clamping his opponents' arms, hitting off the break, etc). He may not always be able to fight at the weight he's most comfortable at - other fighters have moved up or down a few pounds from their ideal weight, he may need to as well.

He can't always get his own way, because he's not a draw.

Ward claims to be a Christian. Here's a quote from Jesus Christ for Andre Ward: "He who exalts himself will be humbled, he who humbles himself will be exalted"

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ikorolev wrote:

diddy wrote:I think it may just be Ward seeing how he feels at a higher weight - which would aid in his decision process in whether to move to 175 or not. Ward I'm sure is getting tired of guys ducking him at 168. Froch won't fight him. DeGale will probably duck him. GGG wants no parts. He's gotta make some $ somehow, someway and the only way to get good fights may be to move up. I have no doubts Ward will fight again at 168 - if an opponent is worthwhile.

Has Ward's Team sent a good contract ? Here is what Gennady replied regarding Andre accusing him in looking for excuses:

http://www.BS.com/golovkin-shr ... sht--92369

Wow ! Doesn't sound like a good boy talking at all. Looks like Ward's accusations got under Gennady's skin. I wish somebody found money for their fight. Ward would need to do his best at clinching, as GGG is angry at him.

Loved that response from GGG, but not sure it's entirely real obviously.

Noone is ducking anyone, but if anyone might be, it'd be Ward ducking GGG. G knows a potential loss wouldn't harm his pulling power for future fights, but for Ward that unbeaten record is one of his few promotional upsides. The right conditions aren't there to fight. Just money. GGG stops him should it happen.

http://www.BS.com/golovkin-shr ... sht--92369
Wow ! Doesn't sound like a good boy talking at all. Looks like Ward's accusations got under Gennady's skin. I wish somebody found money for their fight. Ward would need to do his best at clinching, as GGG is angry at him.

Andre Ward is a pathetic punk. I remember that HBO pre-fight interview where Jim Lampley asks GGG if a fight with Ward could be possible. GGG respectfully says he would love to fight him and Ward sat back and said "we'll see" or something to that effect.

Let's step back and look at the facts for a second. Andre Ward hasn't thrown a punch for money since October of 2013. That layoff was not because he was hurt or surgery. He had his shoulder surgery before the Edwin Rodriguez fight. His layoff was contractual. He signed a contract that he didn't feel he should fulfill. Then he has the balls to call out a boxer doing EVERYTHING he can to entertain his fans and oh by the way, fights 3 to 4 times a year. It's beyond pathetic. GGG's popularity is three times that of Ward so he doesn't need Ward, it's the other way around.

THE MOST PATHETIC part of all of this is the fact that Ward wasn't stripped of his belts. Another reason why Boxing has it's problems. A UFC Champion would be stripped of the belt so fast it would make his head spin. I hope Ward gets his head knocked off on 6/20 tune up.

Evander wrote:I'm not moving beyond Smith, let's see how that goes.

Exactly, anyone who's arguing this point with you hasn't watched Paul Smith fight because he's solidly aggressive, crisp punching guy with very good pop . He has way more power than his 50% KO rate suggests, mainly because in England they fight so many 4 round matches early in a guy's career.

I still think Ward is definitely a huge favorite in the fight, but to just pretend like Smith has zero talent whatsoever is a bit ridiculous.

caldo2025 wrote:

http://www.BS.com/golovkin-shr ... sht--92369
Wow ! Doesn't sound like a good boy talking at all. Looks like Ward's accusations got under Gennady's skin. I wish somebody found money for their fight. Ward would need to do his best at clinching, as GGG is angry at him.

Andre Ward is a pathetic punk. I remember that HBO pre-fight interview where Jim Lampley asks GGG if a fight with Ward could be possible. GGG respectfully says he would love to fight him and Ward sat back and said "we'll see" or something to that effect.

Let's step back and look at the facts for a second. Andre Ward hasn't thrown a punch for money since October of 2013. That layoff was not because he was hurt or surgery. He had his shoulder surgery before the Edwin Rodriguez fight. His layoff was contractual. He signed a contract that he didn't feel he should fulfill. Then he has the balls to call out a boxer doing EVERYTHING he can to entertain his fans and oh by the way, fights 3 to 4 times a year. It's beyond pathetic. GGG's popularity is three times that of Ward so he doesn't need Ward, it's the other way around.

THE MOST PATHETIC part of all of this is the fact that Ward wasn't stripped of his belts. Another reason why Boxing has it's problems. A UFC Champion would be stripped of the belt so fast it would make his head spin. I hope Ward gets his head knocked off on 6/20 tune up.

To be fair, you've no idea why Ward felt he didn't want to fulfil the contract, without being in possession of the facts, it's a bit pointless commenting. Ward may well have been rightly aggrieved, I'm sure that he didn't want to spend over 18 months NOT EARNING ANY MONEY unless there was something seriously wrong with his managerial relations.

Obviously you dislike Ward, and rate GGG - I'm neither for nor against either man, but you seem pretty bitter towards him - did he screw your mum/dad/sister/dog?

kcharles520 wrote:

Evander wrote:I'm not moving beyond Smith, let's see how that goes.

Exactly, anyone who's arguing this point with you hasn't watched Paul Smith fight because he's solidly aggressive, crisp punching guy with very good pop . He has way more power than his 50% KO rate suggests, mainly because in England they fight so many 4 round matches early in a guy's career.

I still think Ward is definitely a huge favorite in the fight, but to just pretend like Smith has zero talent whatsoever is a bit ridiculous.

Ward is a 1-70 favorite. Carry on.

I would have to agree: compared to Ward, Smith's talent is close to zero. 1/70 may be a little too much, but 1/20 - 1/40 sounds reasonable.

If Ward were -2000 the books would be giving away free money.

Once he beats Smith, surely his next bout will be booked for late 2017.

We should put this thread on hold for a couple years

diddy wrote:No not the sparring session with Paul Smith but his next real fight? Who are we thinking?

DeGale?
Jack-Groves winner?

I'm afraid to say anything when you're around, you seem like a very angry person.