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"There's so much more talent now in the 168lbs division" is an obvious falsehood. That division is incredibly thin. The problem is not that there are no good MWs. The problem is that the good MWs (or their promoters) don't want the fight.

Now a known liar Arum is used by fergusshit to shed a negative light on Golovkin. By the way, hater, I will not see your stupid reply, so you can respond with just a 100 lines instead of 300.

Did your mother hang a steak around your neck as a kid so the dog would play with you?

Arum is a liar.A thief and a cheat.But he is not too far off the mark on this one.
GGG is extremely talented but his level of opposition is a joke.
I blame K2 for this and not GGG. No one will risk a fight with him when GGG does not bring in the bucks.
Canelo or Cotto can make more money fighting nobodies then risk a fight with him.

tiny_acres wrote:Arum is a liar.A thief and a cheat.But he is not too far off the mark on this one.
GGG is extremely talented but his level of opposition is a joke.
I blame K2 for this and not GGG. No one will risk a fight with him when GGG does not bring in the bucks.
Canelo or Cotto can make more money fighting nobodies then risk a fight with him.

Which active fighters have a stronger resume at MW over the last three years?

tiny_acres wrote:Arum is a liar.A thief and a cheat.But he is not too far off the mark on this one.
GGG is extremely talented but his level of opposition is a joke.
I blame K2 for this and not GGG. No one will risk a fight with him when GGG does not bring in the bucks.
Canelo or Cotto can make more money fighting nobodies then risk a fight with him.

Arum wants to match Golovkin with his fighter, Gilberto Ramirez. Zurdo hasn't fought anybody worth mentioning, was unimpressive against a B level fighter in his previous fight, and he fights a journeyman next week. So, how will beating him help Golovkin ?

crusader wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:Arum is a liar.A thief and a cheat.But he is not too far off the mark on this one.
GGG is extremely talented but his level of opposition is a joke.
I blame K2 for this and not GGG. No one will risk a fight with him when GGG does not bring in the bucks.
Canelo or Cotto can make more money fighting nobodies then risk a fight with him.

Which active fighters have a stronger resume at MW over the last three years?

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168 isnt a super deep division but theres several guys in the division who are MILES better than anyone GGG has or will face at 160. DeGale, Dirrell, Froch. Even Groves. All better than what he's faced. And obviously Ward. Arum's point is he has to go 168 to find real opposition and his point is correct.

GGG is a middleweight, an average-sized one at best, and I don't think anyone has a better resume at the weight over the last three years. I think people often exaggerate how bad his opposition has been, and while admittedly it hasn't been great it's been good compared to others in the division and far from laugable in general. That he is so much better than who he fights is not itself a very strong reason to move up when his body is better-suited for 160, he has no problems making weight, he's drawing good numbers, and the potential is there for a big fight next year with the Canelo-Cotto winner.

I have no issues with him staying at 160 and dominating there for as long as he can, and incidentally the second best opponent Arum's erstwhile top draw JCC Jr. beat was quite arguably Rubio, a fighter taken apart in two by GGG.

fergusg wrote:"Arum: Golovkin fighting stumblebum after stumblebum"
http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/17/87 ... stumblebum

"I think that [Golovkin's] promotion team is doing a very very good job and they've got the people at HBO mesmerised and they're letting him fight stumblebum-after-stumblebum. So as long as he can do it and pick up money, I mean, what's the incentive to fight guys at a higher weight?

I mean, there's so much more talent now in the 168lbs division.

Golovkin can talk all he wants about Cotto and Canelo, but they'll do a lot better fighting each other than fighting him.

So I think Golovkin should look at one of these 168lbs guys and go after them and there is where big money fights can be made, but they're dangerous!"

Wow GGG literally fighting a BUM, Stumblebum!! If you look up Stumblebum in the dictionary it says: a Bum who stumbles, lol.

Chalk this one up to target practice and a mild tune-up for a fighter who has been on a streak of knocking out a plethora of nobodies.

Where are all these cowards like PQ, Chavez and the likes at, I'm tired of seeing GGG vs the next Bum of the week and this time he really is facing a bum literally.

isnt golyd olympic murata under arum?

than shut up and put murata infront of ggg

crusader wrote:GGG is a middleweight, an average-sized one at best, and I don't think anyone has a better resume at the weight over the last three years. I think people often exaggerate how bad his opposition has been, and while admittedly it hasn't been great it's been good compared to others in the division and far from laugable in general. That he is so much better than who he fights is not itself a very strong reason to move up when his body is better-suited for 160, he has no problems making weight, he's drawing good numbers, and the potential is there for a big fight next year with the Canelo-Cotto winner.

I have no issues with him staying at 160 and dominating there for as long as he can, and incidentally the second best opponent Arum's erstwhile top draw JCC Jr. beat was quite arguably Rubio, a fighter taken apart in two by GGG.

If wants to make more money, he will have to move up - there's just no really compelling fights, after he fights and presumably beats Cotto say - who is the next person at 160 that we could get excited about him facing.

He's going to become stale if there's no real challenges for him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

crusader wrote:GGG is a middleweight, an average-sized one at best, and I don't think anyone has a better resume at the weight over the last three years. I think people often exaggerate how bad his opposition has been, and while admittedly it hasn't been great it's been good compared to others in the division and far from laugable in general. That he is so much better than who he fights is not itself a very strong reason to move up when his body is better-suited for 160, he has no problems making weight, he's drawing good numbers, and the potential is there for a big fight next year with the Canelo-Cotto winner.

I have no issues with him staying at 160 and dominating there for as long as he can, and incidentally the second best opponent Arum's erstwhile top draw JCC Jr. beat was quite arguably Rubio, a fighter taken apart in two by GGG.

If wants to make more money, he will have to move up - there's just no really compelling fights, after he fights and presumably beats Cotto say - who is the next person at 160 that we could get excited about him facing.

He's going to become stale if there's no real challenges for him.

He's doing very well at the moment and seems to have a good chance of landing a big money fight with the Cotto-Canelo winner. A win over a fighter with that type of popularity could also significantly boost his own, so I don't think it's safe to assume that he'll get stale in terms of earnings and ratings, and new credible opponents may emerge on the scene. Maybe he'll eventually move up because he's lured by certain financial opportunities, but I think he's already in a good position in the division he's best suited for.

crusader wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

crusader wrote:GGG is a middleweight, an average-sized one at best, and I don't think anyone has a better resume at the weight over the last three years. I think people often exaggerate how bad his opposition has been, and while admittedly it hasn't been great it's been good compared to others in the division and far from laugable in general. That he is so much better than who he fights is not itself a very strong reason to move up when his body is better-suited for 160, he has no problems making weight, he's drawing good numbers, and the potential is there for a big fight next year with the Canelo-Cotto winner.

I have no issues with him staying at 160 and dominating there for as long as he can, and incidentally the second best opponent Arum's erstwhile top draw JCC Jr. beat was quite arguably Rubio, a fighter taken apart in two by GGG.

If wants to make more money, he will have to move up - there's just no really compelling fights, after he fights and presumably beats Cotto say - who is the next person at 160 that we could get excited about him facing.

He's going to become stale if there's no real challenges for him.

He's doing very well at the moment and seems to have a good chance of landing a big money fight with the Cotto-Canelo winner. A win over a fighter with that type of popularity could also significantly boost his own, so I don't think it's safe to assume that he'll get stale in terms of earnings and ratings, and new credible opponents may emerge on the scene. Maybe he'll eventually move up because he's lured by certain financial opportunities, but I think he's already in a good position in the division he's best suited for.

Well, if they are not yet emerged, they aren't going to be very experienced, and therefore will be big underdogs, which doesn't make for compelling fights.

Golovkin has already intimated that he is looking at 168, so I think it's inevitable sooner rather than later.

A lot can happen in a year or two, with prospects turning into contenders, contenders turning into champions, and fighters changing divisions. GGG is already a fairly big draw even though he hasn't faced particularly stellar opposition and has always been heavily favored to beat his opponents, and there are still several contenders/champions at 160 he hasn't fought so it's not like there is no one for him but the Cotto-Canelo winner. As I mentioned, I also think there's a good chance that beating one of them would boost his popularity, which in turn could help him do even better numbers without big name opponents to face.

Now there may be better financial opportunities at 168 (I'm sure there are some at 175 too), but I think he's in a position in which he can still do quite well financially, build his popularity, and add to his legacy even if he stays at 160, so I don't think moving up is an exigency. Of course my point in the first post you quoted wasn't even whether moving up would be a financially prudent move, but simply that he shouldn't make a sizable jump in weight just because he is so much better than his opposition (I commonly see people suggest that he should move up simply because there is no competition for him at 160), to which I noted that it's not as if being as dominant as he is has precluded him from drawing good numbers or making good purses, which by the way have steadily grown.

What big financial opportunities are there at 168 with Froch gone ? DeGale is still need to be built into a better draw, Ward can't draw a sh1t.

At 160, beside the Cotto/Canelo winner, there is also Lemieux/N'Dam winner, Eubank Jr, Lee/Saunders winner and backups like Lara, Turreano Johnson. Potentially, Jackobs and Quillin may grow some balls and ask daddy Haymon to allow them fight GGG.

fergusg wrote:• The average purse of a 168lbs world champ is greater than GGG's paydays = True
• The 160lbs division is full of talent = False
• Golovkin faces second-tier anonymous names most of the time = True
• K2 have made the most of Golovkin's career = False
• GGG fans give him a free pass for his mediocre opponents but not other world champs = True

1st off let me tell you I like your new way of posting.Short and to the point.
2nd I agree with all of the points you mentioned.As I have said numerous times.I do not
blame GGG for his lack of opposition.I blame K2. They are offering crap purses and no one in their right
mind would risk a fight with GGG for chump change.

tiny_acres wrote:As I have said numerous times.I do not
blame GGG for his lack of opposition.I blame K2. They are offering crap purses and no one in their right
mind would risk a fight with GGG for chump change.

N'Dam fights Lemieux for pennies. He would have made 10 times as much if he faced GGG. Quillin fights on undercards and fought Lee for a low purse. So, it is not just about money. Those people "in their right mind" just know that they will get guaranteed beating and a stoppage loss.

tiny_acres wrote:

fergusg wrote:• The average purse of a 168lbs world champ is greater than GGG's paydays = True
• The 160lbs division is full of talent = False
• Golovkin faces second-tier anonymous names most of the time = True
• K2 have made the most of Golovkin's career = False
• GGG fans give him a free pass for his mediocre opponents but not other world champs = True

1st off let me tell you I like your new way of posting.Short and to the point.

A drastic change in behavior such as this complete change of posting style is a sign of a psychical illness. Another reason to ignore the bastard.

fergusg wrote:"Arum: Golovkin fighting stumblebum after stumblebum"
http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/17/87 ... stumblebum

"I think that [Golovkin's] promotion team is doing a very very good job and they've got the people at HBO mesmerised and they're letting him fight stumblebum-after-stumblebum. So as long as he can do it and pick up money, I mean, what's the incentive to fight guys at a higher weight?

I mean, there's so much more talent now in the 168lbs division.

Golovkin can talk all he wants about Cotto and Canelo, but they'll do a lot better fighting each other than fighting him.

So I think Golovkin should look at one of these 168lbs guys and go after them and there is where big money fights can be made, but they're dangerous!"

The only time I can honestly agree with the lying bastard Arum.

KBB wrote: The only time I can honestly agree with the lying bastard Arum.

So who is there at SMW beside Ward and retired Froch ? The other champions look pathetic, at least now. There isn't much behind them either. Arum just wants Golovkin to face his fighter.

Arum is a proven liar, and is so old I find it really comical that anyone takes anything he says seriously.

Ignore what the old senile fornicate says. I doubt he remembers what he said yesterday.

ikorolev wrote:

KBB wrote: The only time I can honestly agree with the lying bastard Arum.

So who is there at SMW beside Ward and retired Froch ? The other champions look pathetic, at least now. There isn't much behind them either. Arum just wants Golovkin to face his fighter.

I don't care what Arum wants/his motivation, he is telling the truth and he's right; if he can't get the big fights at 160 then he should move up and take on that same Ward and Froch you are talking about. It's better than beating up a bunch of nobodies that basically any A level fighter can beat and getting miles and miles of credit off of it.

Froch is retired, and Ward needs tuneups and doesn't have money behind him.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

KBB wrote: The only time I can honestly agree with the lying bastard Arum.

So who is there at SMW beside Ward and retired Froch ? The other champions look pathetic, at least now. There isn't much behind them either. Arum just wants Golovkin to face his fighter.

I don't care what Arum wants/his motivation, he is telling the truth and he's right; if he can't get the big fights at 160 then he should move up and take on that same Ward and Froch you are talking about. It's better than beating up a bunch of nobodies that basically any A level fighter can beat and getting miles and miles of credit off of it.

Why do you all want him to go up, what about down if he can do it easily, plenty of good fights at 154 for him, more than at 168 that's for sure