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Why not just rewrite the rules to alow clinching and turn boxing into a sort of boxing/wrestling MMA? Cause sure as fornicate no ref is ever going to do shit about.

Btoner tonight initiated a clinch every single time Porter stepped forward. He should been warned r1, pnt deduction r2 and dq'd by about the 5th. It's ludocris that these ref's simply refuse to enforce the rules.

Ricky_ wrote:Why not just rewrite the rules to alow clinching and turn boxing into a sort of boxing/wrestling MMA? Cause sure as eff no ref is ever going to do poo about.

Btoner tonight initiated a clinch every single time Porter stepped forward. He should been warned r1, pnt deduction r2 and dq'd by about the 5th. It's ludocris that these ref's simply refuse to enforce the rules.

Weeks was weak tonight. He could of DQ'd Broner for all of the holding and other crap he kept doing.

Ricky_ wrote:Why not just rewrite the rules to alow clinching and turn boxing into a sort of boxing/wrestling MMA? Cause sure as eff no ref is ever going to do poo about.

Btoner tonight initiated a clinch every single time Porter stepped forward. He should been warned r1, pnt deduction r2 and dq'd by about the 5th. It's ludocris that these ref's simply refuse to enforce the rules.

Right on the money. The ref's need to take a point early. This would eliminate a lot of this crap. Too many warnings from Weeks. He finally took a point in the 11th! Wow! It only took 9 warnings and 53 hugs and grabs.

Smoger was on it from the commentator's booth

funny but a few months ago I was watching a replay of a fight between Bernard Hopkins and john david Jackson. it was on showtime back around 94. In the fight, david Jackson was holding and clinching excessively, but not anymore than we see today. In any case, the announcers (Ferdie Pacheco, and Bobby Chez) were going crazy and they were completely trashing Jackson, calling him a disgrace etc. Unfortunately, somewhere along the road this became normal and is now being tolerated as a form of defense used primarily by African Americans. In most cases, the better the opposition, the more they resort to it, primarily out of fear of being Knocked out. Its really a turn off and Ironcially, I think it was Hopkins who really promoted this crap and weak refs and weak commissions who perpetuated it and made it normal. It was once used primarily as a survival tool but Ward, mayweather, Broner, Hopkins and others have come to use it as a preventive measure to make sure they never have to fight on the inside and can continue to pot shot and hold all the way to a snoozing decision win. I once spoke to a really well know ref about this and it sounds like it all up to the refs subjective opinion of what he wants to allow or not. That right there is the problem. In essence, it has become perfectly legal and a legit defensive style.

Luckybattles wrote:funny but a few months ago I was watching a replay of a fight between Bernard Hopkins and john david Jackson. it was on showtime back around 94. In the fight, david Jackson was holding and clinching excessively, but not anymore than we see today. In any case, the announcers (Ferdie Pacheco, and Bobby Chez) were going crazy and they were completely trashing Jackson, calling him a disgrace etc. Unfortunately, somewhere along the road this became normal and is now being tolerated as a form of defense used primarily by African Americans. In most cases, the better the opposition, the more they resort to it, primarily out of fear of being Knocked out. Its really a turn off and Ironcially, I think it was Hopkins who really promoted this crap and weak refs and weak commissions who perpetuated it and made it normal. It was once used primarily as a survival tool but Ward, mayweather, Broner, Hopkins and others have come to use it as a preventive measure to make sure they never have to fight on the inside and can continue to pot shot and hold all the way to a snoozing decision win. I once spoke to a really well know ref about this and it sounds like it all up to the refs subjective opinion of what he wants to allow or not. That right there is the problem. In essence, it has become perfectly legal and a legit defensive style.

and Klitschkos

Do you know what primarily means?

To be fair to Andre Ward, although he clinches he's also 1 hell of an inside fighter and still provides action rather than tieing up every single fornicating time like Broner or fmj.

Ricky_ wrote:To be fair to Andre Ward, although he clinches he's also 1 hell of an inside fighter and still provides action rather than tieing up every single effing time like Broner or fmj.

Or Wlad to be fair.

Ian1973 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:To be fair to Andre Ward, although he clinches he's also 1 hell of an inside fighter and still provides action rather than tieing up every single effing time like Broner or fmj.

Or Wlad to be fair.

Wlad is worse for leaning down or leaving out a range finder. Those fouls may become more common at hw but clinching is becoming an epidemic thats freeforall.

I used to hate Jay Nady for letting fighters clinch without warnings or deductions but it's now the norm. One of the worst things about boxing.

It was obviously a big factor in fights in the early days of boxing too going by footage of Jack Johnson and Ketchel etc.

Guys like Ndam deserve maximum respect. 4 times he got knocked down against Lemieux but he didn't clinch, he didn't hold, the guy constantly tried to fight back.

You gotta take your hat off to a guy like that.

Luckybattles wrote:Do you know what primarily means?

I know what prejudice means

I like Wlad ,Mayweather and Ward they are great fighters,yet they are allowed to get away with way more holding than is right.A Bronner has mad skills but no heart,he should have been DQ'D.

Like I said in a different thread, it was typical Weeks. Let the illegal tactics go. By the time he takes a point it should be a DQ. As bad as he was, it wasn't as bad of a job as he did in Floyd/Maidana I. Its funny quite a few thought he did an OK job in that fight, but since Broner is hated more, he does a worse job? Weeks was horrible in both, imo.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:Do you know what primarily means?

I know what prejudice means

Maybe you do but apparently you don't know what "primarily" means. You probably don't know what "apparently " means either.

Badhusker wrote:Like I said in a different thread, it was typical Weeks. Let the illegal tactics go. By the time he takes a point it should be a DQ. As bad as he was, it wasn't as bad of a job as he did in Floyd/Maidana I. Its funny quite a few thought he did an OK job in that fight, but since Broner is hated more, he does a worse job? Weeks was horrible in both, imo.

Hang on, floyd was holding and getting hit with maidanas free hand, you are talking about which fighter

Pureist wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Like I said in a different thread, it was typical Weeks. Let the illegal tactics go. By the time he takes a point it should be a DQ. As bad as he was, it wasn't as bad of a job as he did in Floyd/Maidana I. Its funny quite a few thought he did an OK job in that fight, but since Broner is hated more, he does a worse job? Weeks was horrible in both, imo.

Hang on, floyd was holding and getting hit with maidanas free hand, you are talking about which fighter

I would be fine if that was all Maidana did. The multiple low blows, the arm twisting, the attempted knee to the groin, the double leg takedown. I won't mention the rabbit and kidney punches since you already pointed that out, and guess the reason it was ok was since Floyd was holding.

But floyd was ok? You guys make my laugh floyd holds all fight and that's ok, broner does it and he should have been DQ, double standards at its best

Referee Weeks did a terrible job!

What did he do warn Bronner 11 times before taking away a point.

He should have let the fighters work it out. He wouldn't even have had to take away that 1 point in the 11th round if he would have let them fight Porter would have knocked him TFO!

Pureist wrote:But floyd was ok? You guys make my laugh floyd holds all fight and that's ok, broner does it and he should have been DQ, double standards at its best

No, Floyd was not perfect either. He pushes the line with some things he does, but what he did was not anything like what Maidana did. The worst people have on Floyd is holding (mostly legal), and pushing with his forearm to create space. The bite by Maidana in the 2nd was really over the top. He lied about not doing it to boot, when it was very obvious. Not that it was a big deal, but just shows the kind of dirty fighter he is. Smart fight strategy though I guess, because the only way he would stand a chance vs Floyd was to do illegal things and rough him up. They are light years apart skill-wise.

Done the maidana thing already, my issue is you and kbb are contradictory, Floyd holds and that's ok but broner holds and he should be DQ , how did you come up with most of clouds holding was legal aswell, if it's interrupting the flow of the fight it a foul

Pureist wrote:Done the maidana thing already, my issue is you and kbb are contradictory, Floyd holds and that's ok but broner holds and he should be DQ , how did you come up with most of clouds holding was legal aswell, if it's interrupting the flow of the fight it a foul

You confused. I never said Broner should have been DQ'd, and never said anything about Cloud. Maybe kbb did.
Holding is supposed to be controlled by the ref, and it is a judgment call. He determines if it is excessive or not. If you break right away you get away with holding more often.

Sorry, spellcheck at it again, cloud should have been floyd,

Badhusker wrote:

Pureist wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Like I said in a different thread, it was typical Weeks. Let the illegal tactics go. By the time he takes a point it should be a DQ. As bad as he was, it wasn't as bad of a job as he did in Floyd/Maidana I. Its funny quite a few thought he did an OK job in that fight, but since Broner is hated more, he does a worse job? Weeks was horrible in both, imo.

Hang on, floyd was holding and getting hit with maidanas free hand, you are talking about which fighter

I would be fine if that was all Maidana did. The multiple low blows, the arm twisting, the attempted knee to the groin, the double leg takedown. I won't mention the rabbit and kidney punches since you already pointed that out, and guess the reason it was ok was since Floyd was holding.

Notice the Fake Wannabe Trainer didn't say anything about Maidana should've been DQ'd for all the UFC tactics he got away with, double leg tackle, continuous rabbit punches, biting, continuous intentional low blows, Muay Thai knee but all of that is OK because he Hates Floyd, Maidana shouldn't have been DQ'd but Floyd should've.

This shows us all we need to know about this fake trainer Pureist.