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This would be a good fight. I think the toughest fight of Brookes career and maybe the type of fight that could potentially get Madiana back to training. I think Brooke would win tough in a close fight, but Madaina has underrated skill, along with a very crude style and would be interesting to see how Brooke handled a beast like Madaina.

Brook will by retired by the time Marcos gets down to 147

I don't know this Brooke guy, is he any good?

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:I don't know this Brooke guy, is he any good?

Brook*.. Act dense, that's fine.

No.

brook would make short work of maidana.maidana is too crude and slow to pose any significant problems for brook, and brook is the bigger stronger man. he also carries enough power to stop maidana when he goes a bit too kamakaze.

As long as your European you can beat any fighter.

Well atleast thats the thinking here at boxrec.

Unbelievable.

Maidana would fuuck Brooks world up, Floyd struggled big time in the first Maidana fight and Kell is no Floyd not even close.

Maidana would beat him from pilar to post or stop him brutally.

kidbazooka1 wrote:As long as your European you can beat any fighter.

Well atleast thats the thinking here at boxrec.

Unbelievable.

Maidana would fuuck Brooks world up, Floyd struggled big time in the first Maidana fight and Kell is no Floyd not even close.

Maidana would beat him from pilar to post or stop him brutally.

umm, how about no Scott? All you people who look at things on a nationality basis only see what you want to see. the bias works both ways. Brook beats him because he's better. Not because of nationality.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:As long as your European you can beat any fighter.

Well atleast thats the thinking here at boxrec.

Unbelievable.

Maidana would fuuck Brooks world up, Floyd struggled big time in the first Maidana fight and Kell is no Floyd not even close.

Maidana would beat him from pilar to post or stop him brutally.

umm, how about no Scott? All you people who look at things on a nationality basis only see what you want to see. the bias works both ways. Brook beats him because he's better. Not because of nationality.

Think its just the yanks that are overly patriotic, also hate being called european, im british and have less in common with mainland europe than usa has with mexico and canada

Maidana is all done now. He hit the lottery TWICE and he'll never sniff that kind of money again. Brook would put on a clinic with a fight with Maidana.

Brook vs Floyd is what i want to see. I think it's the only fight out there for Floyd to finish up his career. I hope to God the news is inaccurate about Floyd picking Mayfield for his next fight. Not that Floyd needs to prove a thing at this point, but it would be nice to take on one last tough fight for his fans. Brook vs. Floyd would bring in the most money of any fight possible right now.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:As long as your European you can beat any fighter.

Well atleast thats the thinking here at boxrec.

Unbelievable.

Maidana would fuuck Brooks world up, Floyd struggled big time in the first Maidana fight and Kell is no Floyd not even close.

Maidana would beat him from pilar to post or stop him brutally.

umm, how about no Scott? All you people who look at things on a nationality basis only see what you want to see. the bias works both ways. Brook beats him because he's better. Not because of nationality.

It must just be very coincidental that most folks here just always happen to side with the European fighter.

Yea that's it.

Now how is brook better?

He's a very basic fighter the kind of fighter Maidana eats up.

Kell isn't the fastest, doesn't hit the hardest and very average in the skill department.

Marcos may not be the most skilled either but makes up for it with bullish strengh and brutal power.

Brook has never faced anyone like Maidana yet maidana has faced better fighters than brook.

kidbazooka1 wrote: It must just be very coincidental that most folks here just always happen to side with the European fighter.

Funny you should talk. You are one of the most US-biased posters on the site. Almost as bad as SenorShittino.

There is no reason for this mythical 'European bias' you mention. You probably aren't aware, but Europe is composed of a few different countries, with a few differing cultural characteristics here and there. You know, just a few. As a general rule, noone in France or Italy or the UK is going to care especially much more about a fighter from Russia as one from the US.

It's a very strange assumption to make.

kidbazooka1 wrote:As long as your European you can beat any fighter.

Well atleast thats the thinking here at boxrec.

Unbelievable.

Maidana would fuuck Brooks world up, Floyd struggled big time in the first Maidana fight and Kell is no Floyd not even close.

Maidana would beat him from pilar to post or stop him brutally.

tell me one good welterweight maidana has beaten, or brutally stopped. just cos he landed a few punches on a fading mayweather and didnt get stopped, you think a beast like brook wouldnt . mayweather may be a defensive master, but fast and accurate as he is , he couldnt knock the skin off a rice pudding. brook would punish maidanas wild lunges.

I love how people are writing Maidana off as a mere Brawler or someone with no craft; if people just pay attention a little more they will see that Marcos has been showing consistent improvement since being with RG.

I actually saw Maidana do a pull counter on Floyd while Mayweather was setting him up for a pull counter, you don't just learn skills like that on the fly with most boxers but somehow Maidana picked it up during the course of their bouts.

I think a fight between the two of them would be a great match up, they are equal in size and punching power (though I think Marcos may hit a little harder) and unlike my European brothers who are totally writing Maidana off as no more than a crude Slugger I see a lot more to him than just someone who goes lunging in, he has weird angles on his punches too.

It will be a miracle of going broke or near broke to get Chino off his ranch because he was paid handsomely enough for both fights with Floyd to live where he lives at and never have to fight again.

kidbazooka1 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:As long as your European you can beat any fighter.

Well atleast thats the thinking here at boxrec.

Unbelievable.

Maidana would fuuck Brooks world up, Floyd struggled big time in the first Maidana fight and Kell is no Floyd not even close.

Maidana would beat him from pilar to post or stop him brutally.

umm, how about no Scott? All you people who look at things on a nationality basis only see what you want to see. the bias works both ways. Brook beats him because he's better. Not because of nationality.

It must just be very coincidental that most folks here just always happen to side with the European fighter.

Yea that's it.

Now how is brook better?

He's a very basic fighter the kind of fighter Maidana eats up.

Kell isn't the fastest, doesn't hit the hardest and very average in the skill department.

Marcos may not be the most skilled either but makes up for it with bullish strengh and brutal power.

Brook has never faced anyone like Maidana yet maidana has faced better fighters than brook.

You seem to have a weird problem with "Europeans". As Riddick mentioned, no one refers to themselves and European as there are huge differences between the countries and cultures.

"Maidana would beat him from pilar to post or stop him brutally."

I really don't know how you've come to this conclusion... Brook is bigger, more accurate and more skilled.

"Kell isn't the fastest, doesn't hit the hardest and very average in the skill department."

Have you actually seen Kell fight? He's very skilled and composed and definitely hits hard enough.

"Marcos may not be the most skilled either but makes up for it with bullish strengh and brutal power. Brook has never faced anyone like Maidana yet maidana has faced better fighters than brook."

Porter seems more "bullish" and strong than Maidana and Brook did just fine there!

Don't get me wrong I don't think Brook has proven himself anywhere near enough but I do think he beats Maidana and think he can mix it with most in the division. Hopefully he'll get the chance to prove it.

I don't know how anyone would call Brook average, he's agile, fights from awkward angles, has good handspeed, a good fighting brain, and good power in either hand, plus he has good fighting technique.

Personally, I think Brook v Maidana would be a close run thing, but absolutely no way does Maidana beat him from pillar to post.

Hopefully we will get to actually find out for real, would be entertaining no doubt.

NateJR wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:I don't know this Brooke guy, is he any good?

Brook*.. Act dense, that's fine.

So you mean Kell Brook? Damn... been excited for a second.

I think this is a great fight to be honest.. if the madaina that showed up against Broner and Mayweather shows up against any 147 lb. fighter they're in for a rough night. I think both Brook and Madaina are being under rated by both sides. Madaina is more than a crude brawler like provodnikov or Rios, Madaina has a good jab and sets up his power shots very well.

I also think brook is a talented guy, he's very crafty and IMO IS A COMPLETE FIGHTER. I'd be interested to see how he handles someone like Madaina.

I think people look too much into the Madaina/Alexander fight.. it was documented before the fight Madaina was hinting at retirement and didnt have his heart in boxing at the time. Robert garcia got him into his gym with other top fighters to work with and brought that hunger back he had when he was fighting at 140 and fine tuned his skills, I honest saw a whole new fighter once he started training with Garcia(Alexander wasnt just "that good" that night)..

As far as the MAdaina/ Porter comparison, I don't buy that line for a second.. they have some similarities, but I personally think Madaina is much more rounded.. and its not like the Brook/Porter fight was a one sided white wash it was competitive.

NateJR wrote:I think this is a great fight to be honest.. if the madaina that showed up against Broner and Mayweather shows up against any 147 lb. fighter they're in for a rough night. I think both Brook and Madaina are being under rated by both sides. Madaina is more than a crude brawler like provodnikov or Rios, Madaina has a good jab and sets up his power shots very well.

I also think brook is a talented guy, he's very crafty and IMO IS A COMPLETE FIGHTER. I'd be interested to see how he handles someone like Madaina.

I think people look too much into the Madaina/Alexander fight.. it was documented before the fight Madaina was hinting at retirement and didnt have his heart in boxing at the time. Robert garcia got him into his gym with other top fighters to work with and brought that hunger back he had when he was fighting at 140 and fine tuned his skills, I honest saw a whole new fighter once he started training with Garcia(Alexander wasnt just "that good" that night)..

As far as the MAdaina/ Porter comparison, I don't buy that line for a second.. they have some similarities, but I personally think Madaina is much more rounded.. and its not like the Brook/Porter fight was a one sided white wash it was competitive.

You misunderstood the comparison. Op was suggesting Brook may struggle with Maidana's "Bullish" strength but he managed OK with Porter and he seems stronger. Style wise they aren't similar.

danamba7 wrote:

NateJR wrote:I think this is a great fight to be honest.. if the madaina that showed up against Broner and Mayweather shows up against any 147 lb. fighter they're in for a rough night. I think both Brook and Madaina are being under rated by both sides. Madaina is more than a crude brawler like provodnikov or Rios, Madaina has a good jab and sets up his power shots very well.

I also think brook is a talented guy, he's very crafty and IMO IS A COMPLETE FIGHTER. I'd be interested to see how he handles someone like Madaina.

I think people look too much into the Madaina/Alexander fight.. it was documented before the fight Madaina was hinting at retirement and didnt have his heart in boxing at the time. Robert garcia got him into his gym with other top fighters to work with and brought that hunger back he had when he was fighting at 140 and fine tuned his skills, I honest saw a whole new fighter once he started training with Garcia(Alexander wasnt just "that good" that night)..

As far as the MAdaina/ Porter comparison, I don't buy that line for a second.. they have some similarities, but I personally think Madaina is much more rounded.. and its not like the Brook/Porter fight was a one sided white wash it was competitive.

You misunderstood the comparison. Op was suggesting Brook may struggle with Maidana's "Bullish" strength but he managed OK with Porter and he seems stronger. Style wise they aren't similar.

The difference is Madaina sets up his power shots much better and has the power to trouble anyone at 147. Strength isn't as important as delivery and I think you can agree that Madaina is a more dangerous fighter in that aspect. I feel Brook would have the edge with his boxing skills and savy, I'm not knocking anyone who picks one guy or the other because frankly I see it as a pretty even fight. But I agree I don't see Madaina doing a Broner type number on Brook and I don't see Brook easily out boxing Madaina like he's some gate keeper in with a world beater either.

NateJR wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

NateJR wrote:I think this is a great fight to be honest.. if the madaina that showed up against Broner and Mayweather shows up against any 147 lb. fighter they're in for a rough night. I think both Brook and Madaina are being under rated by both sides. Madaina is more than a crude brawler like provodnikov or Rios, Madaina has a good jab and sets up his power shots very well.

I also think brook is a talented guy, he's very crafty and IMO IS A COMPLETE FIGHTER. I'd be interested to see how he handles someone like Madaina.

I think people look too much into the Madaina/Alexander fight.. it was documented before the fight Madaina was hinting at retirement and didnt have his heart in boxing at the time. Robert garcia got him into his gym with other top fighters to work with and brought that hunger back he had when he was fighting at 140 and fine tuned his skills, I honest saw a whole new fighter once he started training with Garcia(Alexander wasnt just "that good" that night)..

As far as the MAdaina/ Porter comparison, I don't buy that line for a second.. they have some similarities, but I personally think Madaina is much more rounded.. and its not like the Brook/Porter fight was a one sided white wash it was competitive.

You misunderstood the comparison. Op was suggesting Brook may struggle with Maidana's "Bullish" strength but he managed OK with Porter and he seems stronger. Style wise they aren't similar.

The difference is Madaina sets up his power shots much better and has the power to trouble anyone at 147. Strength isn't as important as delivery and I think you can agree that Madaina is a more dangerous fighter in that aspect. I feel Brook would have the edge with his boxing skills and savy, I'm not knocking anyone who picks one guy or the other because frankly I see it as a pretty even fight. But I agree I don't see Madaina doing a Broner type number on Brook and I don't see Brook easily out boxing Madaina like he's some gate keeper in with a world beater either.

Yeah good post.

danamba7 wrote:
Yeah good post.

Another thing, Madianas defense is very underrated IMO because a lot of people have labeled him as a crude brawler.. He's not that easy to hit and if you're not careful there's a big price to pay if you don't respect his ability to make you miss and counter. Brook would have to fight a smart fight to win, which I believe he's capable of.

I never even really thought of this match-up until the Porter/Broner fight happened. But the more I've thought about it the more I hope that in some snow balls chance, it somehow happens.