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In each of the old weight classes. Have a go at rating them like this. Pick your top two in each division and then match them up head to head in their prime.

Dempsey beats Marciano.
Billy Conn beats Tommy Loughran
Ketchel beats Mickey Walker
McLaren beats Barney Ross
Benny Leonard beats Joe Gans
Willie Pep beats Abe Attell
Joe Lynch beats Kid Williams
Benny Lynch beats Jackie Paterson

They are my pics, what are yours?

keithmoonhangover wrote:In each of the old weight classes. Have a go at rating them like this. Pick your top two in each division and then match them up head to head in their prime.

Dempsey beats Marciano.
Billy Conn beats Tommy Loughran
Ketchel beats Mickey Walker
McLaren beats Barney Ross
Benny Leonard beats Joe Gans
Willie Pep beats Abe Attell
Joe Lynch beats Kid Williams
Benny Lynch beats Jackie Paterson

They are my pics, what are yours?

Joe Gans was African American. Although, like many African Americans, he looks to have a a fair bit of European ancestry too, raising the bigger question of what 'white' means. But somehow I doubt that one we'll solve that one here!

Greb has a win over Walker at MW, so maybe he should rank ahead of him.

J-C wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:In each of the old weight classes. Have a go at rating them like this. Pick your top two in each division and then match them up head to head in their prime.

Dempsey beats Marciano.
Billy Conn beats Tommy Loughran
Ketchel beats Mickey Walker
McLaren beats Barney Ross
Benny Leonard beats Joe Gans
Willie Pep beats Abe Attell
Joe Lynch beats Kid Williams
Benny Lynch beats Jackie Paterson

They are my pics, what are yours?

Joe Gans was African American. Although, like many African Americans, he looks to have a a fair bit of European ancestry too, raising the bigger question of what 'white' means. But somehow I doubt that one we'll solve that one here!

Greb has a win over Walker at MW, so maybe he should rank ahead of him.

Gans was a glaring error on my part. A great fighter though.

Rocky Marciano stops Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney decisions Tommy Loughran
Harry Greb decisions Stanley Ketchel
Carmen Basilio stops Barney Ross
Benny Leonard decisions Tony Canzoneri
Willie Pep decisions Abe Attell
Eder Jofre stops Terry McGovern
Jimmy Wilde ko's Benny Lynch

To me, the great Willie Pep is the greatest pound per pound white fighter ever

.....i agree with elmersalsa.....willie pep....no contest.

elmersalsa wrote:Rocky Marciano stops Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney decisions Tommy Loughran
Harry Greb decisions Stanley Ketchel
Carmen Basilio stops Barney Ross
Benny Leonard decisions Tony Canzoneri
Willie Pep decisions Abe Attell
Eder Jofre stops Terry McGovern
Jimmy Wilde ko's Benny Lynch

I'd agree with those picks

jaclem3 wrote:.....i agree with elmersalsa.....willie pep....no contest.

Jimmy Wilde definitely deserves to be up there as well.

elmersalsa wrote:To me, the great Willie Pep is the greatest pound per pound white fighter ever

Yep I agree.I have him #2 p4p of all time.He was incredible

tiny_acres wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:To me, the great Willie Pep is the greatest pound per pound white fighter ever

Yep I agree.I have him #2 p4p of all time.He was incredible

An out of this world fighter. I have him #1 at featherweight and #5 p4p all time

I don't know who you would put him against, but I think there can be an argument made that Fidel LaBarba is the greatest Caucasian boxer.
Not saying he was, just saying I'd think he has to be in the argument.

Lomochenko will end up on this list one day. The boy has the skills and can fight.

.....crease......by all means jimmy wilde deserving of strong contention here...

JMac wrote:Lomochenko will end up on this list one day. The boy has the skills and can fight.

Though I consider him one of the most technically superior boxers of this time.
He has one hell of a long way to go to get into this conversation.
And that is not meant as an insult to him or you

Ted Kid Lewis was a very good white boxer.

keithmoonhangover wrote:In each of the old weight classes. Have a go at rating them like this. Pick your top two in each division and then match them up head to head in their prime.

Dempsey beats Marciano.
Billy Conn beats Tommy Loughran
Ketchel beats Mickey Walker
McLaren beats Barney Ross
Benny Leonard beats Joe Gans
Willie Pep beats Abe Attell
Joe Lynch beats Kid Williams
Benny Lynch beats Jackie Paterson

They are my pics, what are yours?

Aint the klitchkos white? Or y"all be thinking they turkic looking,armenian asswholes?

mugabi wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:In each of the old weight classes. Have a go at rating them like this. Pick your top two in each division and then match them up head to head in their prime.

Dempsey beats Marciano.
Billy Conn beats Tommy Loughran
Ketchel beats Mickey Walker
McLaren beats Barney Ross
Benny Leonard beats Joe Gans
Willie Pep beats Abe Attell
Joe Lynch beats Kid Williams
Benny Lynch beats Jackie Paterson

They are my pics, what are yours?

Aint the klitchkos white? Or y"all be thinking they turkic looking,armenian asswholes?

No they are Caucasian...Marciano destroys both of them however.

Tomasino wrote:

mugabi wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:In each of the old weight classes. Have a go at rating them like this. Pick your top two in each division and then match them up head to head in their prime.

Dempsey beats Marciano.
Billy Conn beats Tommy Loughran
Ketchel beats Mickey Walker
McLaren beats Barney Ross
Benny Leonard beats Joe Gans
Willie Pep beats Abe Attell
Joe Lynch beats Kid Williams
Benny Lynch beats Jackie Paterson

They are my pics, what are yours?

Aint the klitchkos white? Or y"all be thinking they turkic looking,armenian asswholes?

No they are Caucasian...Marciano destroys both of them however.

I do not agree with that assessment. Marciano destroys the Klitschkoes? Don't think so. They're both two stone heavir at least for a start.

Perhaps there really should be some room found for the relative 'newcomers' at SMW....Calzaghe v Froch looks tasty!

Zale v Monzon would be my preferred middleweight match-up as well. Hugely dominant champions.

Zale very seriously underated in my opinion...feared by just about everyone and in a golden era.

Can we narrow this down to the best WASP boxers of all time?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Can we narrow this down to the best WASP boxers of all time?

If ypu want to mate.

magwitch wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:In each of the old weight classes. Have a go at rating them like this. Pick your top two in each division and then match them up head to head in their prime.

Dempsey beats Marciano.
Billy Conn beats Tommy Loughran
Ketchel beats Mickey Walker
McLaren beats Barney Ross
Benny Leonard beats Joe Gans
Willie Pep beats Abe Attell
Joe Lynch beats Kid Williams
Benny Lynch beats Jackie Paterson

They are my pics, what are yours?

Aint the klitchkos white? Or y"all be thinking they turkic looking,armenian asswholes?

No they are Caucasian...Marciano destroys both of them however.

I do not agree with that assessment. Marciano destroys the Klitschkoes? Don't think so. They're both two stone heavir at least for a start.[/quote]


Two stone is the best you an come up with? How about Wlad has a terrible chin and Rocky has an awesome punch, perhaps the hardest p4p of all time? Vitali is a robot with a pretty weak jab who has nothing to keep the Rock off him. His good chin may save him but I don't think he's ever been punched in the body like Rocky would be doing to him.

That above quote embedded with my name has nothing whatsoever to do with me.
Not sure what's happened there unless somebody changed it.
I mention Ted Kid Lewis only.

I would of had gene Tunney in there as the best light heavy
Edit just looked back and see he was

Over 1,000 men named White were pro boxers. Pick one of 'em.