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I also personally believe this to be the case. He will avoid him entirely or at least wait a couple
more yrs for Klit to start dripping, I mean dropping.

http://www.BS.com/haye-id-bet- ... hko--92905

THUD! wrote:But he his ay ftyin man.

But the he man time tree lemonade.

Well he shamelessly ducked David Price and Ustinov.

Who has Fury actually faught? Feather fisted Chisora, twice, a man half his size.

He's crap, fat, a ducker, not much power and a glass jaw. He doesn't even deserve a title shot until he faces the likes of Pulev.

I'm sure fury and everyone around him knows he doesn't stand a chance against wlad. They are far more inclined to try and line up a fight with Wilder which is a much easier route to a world title and the bigger paydays.

Fury is all about the $£€¥, he will happily take a beating for enough dough.
But if an opportunity for similar money against and easier opponent comes up (Wilder for example) I'm sure he will take it.

diddy wrote:I also personally believe this to be the case. He will avoid him entirely or at least wait a couple
more yrs for Klit to start dripping, I mean dropping.

http://www.BS.com/haye-id-bet- ... hko--92905

I wouldn't be surprised - unless they can negotiate a serious payday (not easy against Wlad) - they may well try and find a lesser paid but less risky fight, and hope that Wlad starts to break down physically, or retire.

I'd like to see him have a go against Wlad, but he's got very little chance of winning.

The WBA has called for a purse bid on 6th July for Wladimir's mandatory defence against Fury. The purse bid will take place at the WBA HQ in Panama.
The winning purse bid will be divided 80% for Wlad and 20% for Fury.
I guess we will see what happens after that.

Ricky_ wrote:Well he shamelessly ducked David Price and Ustinov.

I agree that the ducked Price, but not Ustinov. And the reason that he ducked Price was that he had a higher ranking and more recognition that Price, therefore the risk/reward ratio didn't level out for him. I'm not excusing him for the fight no happening, I wish that it had - it would have been an interesting contest.

But I'd also suggest that this reason for the Fury/Price fight not happening does not relate to a perspective Fury/Wlad fight... Wlad holds all the cards when it comes to bargaining this fight, he hold 3 of the World Titles and is the undisputed number one man of the division. If Fury want the recognition that he so craves, then this fight MUST go ahead. In this instance, the risk/reward ratio balances out.

Ricky_ wrote:Who has Fury actually faught? Feather fisted Chisora, twice, a man half his size.

Anyone could say about any of the Heavyweight contender. A critical eye could be cast over Wilder (what did he do to deserve that WBC shot?) or Stiverne (how lucky was he getting that vacant title fight?)... An I could go on to a load of others.

Ricky_ wrote:He's crap, fat, a ducker, not much power and a glass jaw.

Whilst he's not an explosive puncher (like Tyson or Dempsey), he is a concussive puncher (like Wladimir) he gradually wears his opponents down and pummels them into submission... Much like a lot of other Heavyweights today...

Ricky_ wrote:He doesn't even deserve a title shot until he faces the likes of Pulev.

Nonsense. Furty is next in line for a shot against Wlad - Pulev & Povetkin have had their shot(s) and failed. Fury is next in line.

SteveO wrote:The WBA has called for a purse bid on 6th July for Wladimir's mandatory defence against Fury. The purse bid will take place at the WBA HQ in Panama.
The winning purse bid will be divided 80% for Wlad and 20% for Fury.
I guess we will see what happens after that.

Source? Any links?

Crease wrote:

SteveO wrote:The WBA has called for a purse bid on 6th July for Wladimir's mandatory defence against Fury. The purse bid will take place at the WBA HQ in Panama.
The winning purse bid will be divided 80% for Wlad and 20% for Fury.
I guess we will see what happens after that.

Source? Any links?

Yep: http://www.fightnews.com/
Scroll about two-thirds down the page to read the report.

[quote="SteveO"]Scroll about two-thirds down the page to read the report.[/quote]

Thanks very much mate. Here is the full content (not that it is much)
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wba-cal ... bid-296229

Ricky_ wrote: Who has Fury actually faught? Feather fisted Chisora, twice, a man half his size.

Chisora is 103 cm and weighs only 60 kg? Shouldn't he be fighting at lightweight then?

punchoutsb wrote:

Ricky_ wrote: Who has Fury actually faught? Feather fisted Chisora, twice, a man half his size.

Chisora is 103 cm and weighs only 60 kg? Shouldn't he be fighting at lightweight then?

What I find funny about this.Is people on here were calling for Chisora to wipe the floor with Fury.
On both occasions Chisora was considered a legitimate threat

Crease wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Well he shamelessly ducked David Price and Ustinov.

I agree that the ducked Price, but not Ustinov. And the reason that he ducked Price was that he had a higher ranking and more recognition that Price, therefore the risk/reward ratio didn't level out for him. I'm not excusing him for the fight no happening, I wish that it had - it would have been an interesting contest.

But I'd also suggest that this reason for the Fury/Price fight not happening does not relate to a perspective Fury/Wlad fight... Wlad holds all the cards when it comes to bargaining this fight, he hold 3 of the World Titles and is the undisputed number one man of the division. If Fury want the recognition that he so craves, then this fight MUST go ahead. In this instance, the risk/reward ratio balances out.

Ricky_ wrote:Who has Fury actually faught? Feather fisted Chisora, twice, a man half his size.

Anyone could say about any of the Heavyweight contender. A critical eye could be cast over Wilder (what did he do to deserve that WBC shot?) or Stiverne (how lucky was he getting that vacant title fight?)... An I could go on to a load of others.

Ricky_ wrote:He's crap, fat, a ducker, not much power and a glass jaw.

Whilst he's not an explosive puncher (like Tyson or Dempsey), he is a concussive puncher (like Wladimir) he gradually wears his opponents down and pummels them into submission... Much like a lot of other Heavyweights today...

Ricky_ wrote:He doesn't even deserve a title shot until he faces the likes of Pulev.

Nonsense. Furty is next in line for a shot against Wlad - Pulev & Povetkin have had their shot(s) and failed. Fury is next in line.

Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers in the sport, to compare his puncher power to Fury is laughable, I've seen Wlad knock people out cold with jab's. He's alot of sensational 1pko's on his record. Maybe you meant Vitali?

Ofcourse he ducked Ustinov, your excusing him of fighting Price and opting for a fat retired taxi driver instead is nothing more than babble. He took 1 look at Ustinov at the weigh-in and decided fighting someone close to his own size was a raw deal considering he was lined up to cherry pick Chisora again.


Fury has barely got out of British level in terms of his opposition. Look at his last 10 fights:

Chisora 1: British level fight, much smaller, fat, no power
Firtha: Journeyman
Pajkic: Canadian club fighter, no power, not ranked, floored Fury
Martin Rogan: An exemplary athlete.
Vinny Maddalone: Not ranked in the top 100 at the time, club fighter, perhaps an acceptable sparring partner
Kevin Johnson: Washed up bum coming off a prizefighter loss to Tor Hamer
Steve Cunningham: A cruiserweight. Put Fury flat on his back.
Joey Abell: Another that's not even in top 100, cannon fodder for the likes of Arreola (ko1)
Chisora 2: Wouldn't even fight Ustinov who stood in at about 24 hours notice.
Christian Hammer: Maybe a good European level bout



That really makes for some sorry, sorry reading. I know the division is thin but c'mon, he gets a crack at Wlad without even having faced a legit top 10-15 ranked opponent? The only fighter on that list that's been anywhere near a top 10 world ranking in recent years is Chisora, although, he wasn't the first time they fought and by the 2nd time round Haye had already smashed him to bits.

I feel for Fury a little in the sense they Haye bout fell through twice through no fault of his own, costing him a year out of his career, but then again, i don't, he hasn't had the balls to fight anyone with decent size and power, and on the 2 occasions he was in the position to, Price & Ustinov, he shat out.

I know the division is thin but: Wach, Thompson, Ustinov, Price, Pulev, Arreola, Stiverne, Helenius, Joshua, Browne... These are all names that Fury can or could have fought, instead of that sorry list of tomato cans above.

Apparently Haye walked away with $36mil for fighting Wlad, I'm pretty sure he'd fight him tomorrow if that was on the table.

A bit rich coming from the man who pulled out of two arranged fury fights himself

Ricky_ wrote:Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers in the sport, to compare his puncher power to Fury is laughable,

I agree that Wladimir is. But had you read my message correctly, you would have noticed that I mentioned Mike Tyson and Jack Dempsey - I was comparing Wlad's punching to theirs. Theirs is and was true explosive KO power, whereas Wladimir tends to be more patient and prefers to wear his opponents down with repeated shots, instead of going for the KO as the other two did. If you were to take a moment to look at Wlad's record, it took him 7 rounds to Rahman & Chambers took him the full distance... I wouldn't say that either contender would last that long against a KO artist like Dempsey or Tyson.

Ricky_ wrote:I've seen Wlad knock people out cold with jab's.

Wlad is general accepted as having one of the best jabs ever seen in the division. I think that id beyond disputing.

Ricky_ wrote:Ofcourse he ducked Ustinov

I disagree. You are overstating your case just because they didn't fight and there is no actual evidence that Fury ran from him. There can be a whole variety of reasons why a fight doesn't happen, surely you know this - how long did it take for Mayweather to fight Pacquaio?
And I'd also say that Ustinov really isn't the fighter that you seem to think that he is.

Ricky_ wrote:your excusing him of fighting Price and opting for a fat retired taxi driver instead is nothing more than babble.

I haven't even mentioned Rogie in this conversatiob. Martin is a friend of mine and he's a good lad - do you really think so little of him for stepping up and fighting a top 10 Heavyweight? In my opinion, it shows he's got balls.

As for Fury, there's a bit of a backstory to that. When he was an amateur he wanted to represent Ireland at the Olympics, but he was denied an Irish passport. Fury always seen that as a knock on his identity as his family consider themselves Irish Travellers, so Fury jumped at the chance to verify this when he was offered a fight against the no 1 ranked heavyweight in Ireland (who was Rogie), so Fury claimed the Irish Heavyweight Title out of it.

Ricky_ wrote:I know the division is thin but: Wach, Thompson, Ustinov, Price, Pulev, Arreola, Stiverne, Helenius, Joshua, Browne... These are all names that Fury can or could have fought, instead of that sorry list of tomato cans above.

I could say the same thing about Pricey... Or Pulev... Or Arreola... Or Stiverne... Have they really challenged themselves all that much?

Haye is keen to fight his former sparring partner and now WBC champ Wilder.

“Wilder hit me a few times on the chin in sparring and can punch. He has got a big dig, but so have I.”

bogan whisperer wrote:Haye is keen to fight his former sparring partner and now WBC champ Wilder.

“Wilder hit me a few times on the chin in sparring and can punch. He has got a big dig, but so have I.”

I have no interest in seeing this diva ever again in the ring.
He pulls out of more fights than any fighter in history.The guy is all mouth.

Crease wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers in the sport, to compare his puncher power to Fury is laughable,

I agree that Wladimir is. But had you read my message correctly, you would have noticed that I mentioned Mike Tyson and Jack Dempsey - I was comparing Wlad's punching to theirs. Theirs is and was true explosive KO power, whereas Wladimir tends to be more patient and prefers to wear his opponents down with repeated shots, instead of going for the KO as the other two did. If you were to take a moment to look at Wlad's record, it took him 7 rounds to Rahman & Chambers took him the full distance... I wouldn't say that either contender would last that long against a KO artist like Dempsey or Tyson.

Ricky_ wrote:I've seen Wlad knock people out cold with jab's.

Wlad is general accepted as having one of the best jabs ever seen in the division. I think that id beyond disputing.

Ricky_ wrote:Ofcourse he ducked Ustinov

I disagree. You are overstating your case just because they didn't fight and there is no actual evidence that Fury ran from him. There can be a whole variety of reasons why a fight doesn't happen, surely you know this - how long did it take for Mayweather to fight Pacquaio?
And I'd also say that Ustinov really isn't the fighter that you seem to think that he is.

Ricky_ wrote:your excusing him of fighting Price and opting for a fat retired taxi driver instead is nothing more than babble.

I haven't even mentioned Rogie in this conversatiob. Martin is a friend of mine and he's a good lad - do you really think so little of him for stepping up and fighting a top 10 Heavyweight? In my opinion, it shows he's got balls.

As for Fury, there's a bit of a backstory to that. When he was an amateur he wanted to represent Ireland at the Olympics, but he was denied an Irish passport. Fury always seen that as a knock on his identity as his family consider themselves Irish Travellers, so Fury jumped at the chance to verify this when he was offered a fight against the no 1 ranked heavyweight in Ireland (who was Rogie), so Fury claimed the Irish Heavyweight Title out of it.

Ricky_ wrote:I know the division is thin but: Wach, Thompson, Ustinov, Price, Pulev, Arreola, Stiverne, Helenius, Joshua, Browne... These are all names that Fury can or could have fought, instead of that sorry list of tomato cans above.

I could say the same thing about Pricey... Or Pulev... Or Arreola... Or Stiverne... Have they really challenged themselves all that much?

You can debate all you like about Wlad's power in comparison to Tyson's or Dempsey's, I don't see the comparison to Fury, Fury isn't a big hitter and isn't even close to Wlad.

Fury did duck Ustinov, he took 1 look at him in the weigh-in and Fury and his team decided the risk was too great and the pulled out on the day of the fight. Utterly, uterly shameless and cowardice. His ducks of Price and Ustinov are about as transparent as any i've seen in the sport, your justification of his ambition to fight Rogan instead - not because he feared Price - but because the Irish belt meant something to him is laughable. I also remember the farce surrounding that with Fury given special dispensation to fight over 12 rounds instead of the usual 10 sanction of the Irish belt, much to Rogan's annoyance haviing signed & trained for a 10 round fight.

And no you can't say that about Price, because he stepped up and fought Thompson twice. A fighter ranked well ahead of any of the tomato cans Fury has been fighting.

It's simple, tell me a heavyweight ranked in the top 10 in the division when Fury fought them?

stevieb_8006 wrote:A bit rich coming from the man who pulled out of two arranged fury fights himself

That makes him an expert in ducking.

Still I find the idea that Fury will duck Klitschko ludicrous. He worked towards gaining and maintaining the mandatory position for nothing then. Peter fury spoke long about preparation for Klitschko. Lot of people see Fury a legitimate threat, there is no reason why Fury would not see himself as a threat. Yes he ducked Price but this is the guy who went in two training camps to fight Haye. I dont know what made Haye say that, a jealousy perhaps.

Ricky_ wrote:

Crease wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Wladimir is one of the hardest punchers in the sport, to compare his puncher power to Fury is laughable,

I agree that Wladimir is. But had you read my message correctly, you would have noticed that I mentioned Mike Tyson and Jack Dempsey - I was comparing Wlad's punching to theirs. Theirs is and was true explosive KO power, whereas Wladimir tends to be more patient and prefers to wear his opponents down with repeated shots, instead of going for the KO as the other two did. If you were to take a moment to look at Wlad's record, it took him 7 rounds to Rahman & Chambers took him the full distance... I wouldn't say that either contender would last that long against a KO artist like Dempsey or Tyson.

Ricky_ wrote:I've seen Wlad knock people out cold with jab's.

Wlad is general accepted as having one of the best jabs ever seen in the division. I think that id beyond disputing.

Ricky_ wrote:Ofcourse he ducked Ustinov

I disagree. You are overstating your case just because they didn't fight and there is no actual evidence that Fury ran from him. There can be a whole variety of reasons why a fight doesn't happen, surely you know this - how long did it take for Mayweather to fight Pacquaio?
And I'd also say that Ustinov really isn't the fighter that you seem to think that he is.

Ricky_ wrote:your excusing him of fighting Price and opting for a fat retired taxi driver instead is nothing more than babble.

I haven't even mentioned Rogie in this conversatiob. Martin is a friend of mine and he's a good lad - do you really think so little of him for stepping up and fighting a top 10 Heavyweight? In my opinion, it shows he's got balls.

As for Fury, there's a bit of a backstory to that. When he was an amateur he wanted to represent Ireland at the Olympics, but he was denied an Irish passport. Fury always seen that as a knock on his identity as his family consider themselves Irish Travellers, so Fury jumped at the chance to verify this when he was offered a fight against the no 1 ranked heavyweight in Ireland (who was Rogie), so Fury claimed the Irish Heavyweight Title out of it.

Ricky_ wrote:I know the division is thin but: Wach, Thompson, Ustinov, Price, Pulev, Arreola, Stiverne, Helenius, Joshua, Browne... These are all names that Fury can or could have fought, instead of that sorry list of tomato cans above.

I could say the same thing about Pricey... Or Pulev... Or Arreola... Or Stiverne... Have they really challenged themselves all that much?

You can debate all you like about Wlad's power in comparison to Tyson's or Dempsey's, I don't see the comparison to Fury, Fury isn't a big hitter and isn't even close to Wlad.

Fury did duck Ustinov, he took 1 look at him in the weigh-in and Fury and his team decided the risk was too great and the pulled out on the day of the fight. Utterly, uterly shameless and cowardice. His ducks of Price and Ustinov are about as transparent as any i've seen in the sport, your justification of his ambition to fight Rogan instead - not because he feared Price - but because the Irish belt meant something to him is laughable. I also remember the farce surrounding that with Fury given special dispensation to fight over 12 rounds instead of the usual 10 sanction of the Irish belt, much to Rogan's annoyance haviing signed & trained for a 10 round fight.

And no you can't say that about Price, because he stepped up and fought Thompson twice. A fighter ranked well ahead of any of the tomato cans Fury has been fighting.

It's simple, tell me a heavyweight ranked in the top 10 in the division when Fury fought them?

Gotta agree, Fury doesn't punch hard at all - Especially for a man of his size, and he blatantly ducked Ustinov - Ustinov came in in far better than expected shape, and Fury didn't fancy it one bit.

Tarkus wrote:

stevieb_8006 wrote:A bit rich coming from the man who pulled out of two arranged fury fights himself

That makes him an expert in ducking.

Still I find the idea that Fury will duck Klitschko ludicrous. He worked towards gaining and maintaining the mandatory position for nothing then. Peter fury spoke long about preparation for Klitschko. Lot of people see Fury a legitimate threat, there is no reason why Fury would not see himself as a threat. Yes he ducked Price but this is the guy who went in two training camps to fight Haye. I dont know what made Haye say that, a jealousy perhaps.

I don't.

I think they've been hoping to see cracks in Wladimir appearing, and in truth there aren't any. They must have hoped he would get old and start to look vulnerable, or even better retire, before Tyson got into a position to be his mandatory.

They called him out when they knew they had very little chance of securing the fight - all the while watching to see if Wlad was slipping, whilst in fact Wlad looks about as unbeatable as he ever has. Now he is the mandatory - I bet the prospect doesn't feel quite so appetising.

I will bet you that both Peter and Tyson deep down know that Fury has virtually no chance of beating Wlad - he isn't a legitimate threat, he can't punch, and he doesn't have anywhere near the technical nous to outbox Wlad. He will get pasted from beginning to end, and stopped.

Yes, Haye is gutted, and probably jealous that nobody is talking about him any more - but I think he may also be right about this.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: I think they've been hoping to see cracks in Wladimir appearing, and in truth there aren't any. They must have hoped he would get old and start to look vulnerable, or even better retire, before Tyson got into a position to be his mandatory.

On what are you basing this?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:They called him out when they knew they had very little chance of securing the fight - all the while watching to see if Wlad was slipping, whilst in fact Wlad looks about as unbeatable as he ever has. Now he is the mandatory - I bet the prospect doesn't feel quite so appetising.

Again I don't see any evidence for this claim.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I will bet you that both Peter and Tyson deep down know that Fury has virtually no chance of beating Wlad - he isn't a legitimate threat, he can't punch, and he doesn't have anywhere near the technical nous to outbox Wlad. He will get pasted from beginning to end, and stopped.

I disagree strongly with this assessment and so are many others. Why do you think team Fury agrees with you. Just because you think he has no chance doesn't make it established fact.

Haye is a clown and shouldn't be listened to.

Absolute prat.