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The outcome of the Flannigan vs Zepeda fight made me think about boxing rules and what would happen in certain situations. I'm just using this thread to pose some questions and see if there are answers..... feel free to add questions.

1) We all know that in a world title fight, if the contest ends in a draw the champion retains his title. But what happens in terms of a mandated WBA "unification" - if the "Super World Champion" and "Ordinary" champion draw, what happens? Both fighters retain their title and a mandated rematch?

Yes they do keep their respective titles if a draw

Here is a silly question.

If two fighters both land at the same time, knocking each other to the ground, and both fail to reach the count, the fight is a draw yes?

MrJasonM wrote:Here is a silly question.

If two fighters both land at the same time, knocking each other to the ground, and both fail to reach the count, the fight is a draw yes?

Yes, I think it is - wasn't it discussed on Sky after Samuels vs Renda both almost KO'd each other at the same time.

Either a draw or a No Contest/No decision.

I could be wrong but am sure if it's after 4 rounds they go to the scorecards if both are knocked out..

taffytoon wrote:Yes they do keep their respective titles if a draw

Would it be mandated as an immediate rematch or would the WBA regular champion wait up to 18 months again for his second shot?

Terry Dooley wrote:The most important rule to bear in mind is that all of the big four bodies have a rule that states (roughly): ‘We can sit down as a committee and overturn/amend/ignore our own rules’.

As for Saturday night, I didn’t see it as controversial once the relevant WBO regulation was applied. People say it wasn’t fair, but we’re talking about a sport in which 90-10 fights are common and we get charged for anything that’s 60-40 or thereabouts. As Tony Soprano said: “Who gots fair?!”

I would love to see the ref's report for the fight on Saturday. I think Marcus McDonnell is a fine referee, very underated (you never see him mentioned in threads for best referee) - but he clearly missed the Doctor's initial signal and waving it off.

John Rawling mentioned that McDonnel said that "Zepeda said he cannot go on", well clearly not - but I wonder if the McDonnell saw the Doctor waving it off would it have been a different ruling.

I know a Doctor cannot officially stop a fight, but if McDonnel seriously said - hang on Doctor I'm ignoring you and that lump on the shoulder and going to ask Zepeda if he wishes to continue - then that is not good form.

I don't know the rule book and perhaps an injury (non cut) causing a ref to stop it - via Doctor's advice, would have been still resulted in a TKO victory. However, I think that would have had at least sounded like what actually happened - as opposed to it sounding like it was not an injury.

I do hope that is correct Terry, that's why I would like to hear what the report was - because the "doctor's advice" was not mentioned by Mark Burgess and Rawling, after initially saying "it's got a be a technical draw" then said "McDonnel has just told me that Zepeda said he cannot go on". Which makes it sound like it was Zepeda who quit.

Terry Dooley wrote:The most important rule to bear in mind is that all of the big four bodies have a rule that states (roughly): ‘We can sit down as a committee and overturn/amend/ignore our own rules’.

As for Saturday night, I didn’t see it as controversial once the relevant WBO regulation was applied. People say it wasn’t fair, but we’re talking about a sport in which 90-10 fights are common and we get charged for anything that’s 60-40 or thereabouts. As Tony Soprano said: “Who gots fair?!”

There have been examples of both boxers knocking each other out.
The results were, double knockout, draw or no contest.
Now would a double knockout be recorded as a win or a lose? As the boxer has done both

When Rocky & Apollo both knocked each other down at the end of their second fight, should it have gone to the scorecards rather than Rocky winning as he had used the ropes to get up and was clearly in no state to continue or defend himself.

Was Apollo Creed screwed and did that bad decision lead to him trying to go out on a high against Drago?

freddydoesdallas wrote:When Rocky & Apollo both knocked each other down at the end of their second fight, should it have gone to the scorecards rather than Rocky winning as he had used the ropes to get up and was clearly in no state to continue or defend himself.

Was Apollo Creed screwed and did that bad decision lead to him trying to go out on a high against Drago?

These are the questions!

If two Smurfs are boxing and one loses the plot and starts to choke the other, what colour does it turn?